Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 10



Recipients of the Order of the Seraphim

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 * The result of the discussion was: Listify. Bottom line is that the delete case is stronger.  However there were opinions on both sides to listify.  Listifying the contents meets the spirit of both the delete and keep opinions. Also a list can help explain the pre/post 1975 changes. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Recipients of the Order of the Seraphim
 * Nominator's rationale This award at present is only granted to foreign (non-Swedish) heads of state. By their very nature this will be people who are in way too many award categories. This category is in almost all cases going to be one of many awards categories. This is category clutter we do not need.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete no one is notable solely (or even primarily) for having received this award. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Discretionary honours and decorations awarded by national governments should be categorised. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep or listify. It is now used only for royals and head of states since revision in 1975 but was used also before 1975 as an high honour for Swedes. Since revision 1975, the active swedish orders are only meant for foreigners not Swedes EXCEPT members of the royal swedish family. See also, in general, my comment at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_13 Mimich (talk) 17:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete/Listify. Articles about people should be categorized by what the person is notable for (usually their occupation/status), not by what awards they have received. Discretionary honours and decorations awarded by national governments may be more notable than some awards, but they are still not what the person is notable for (e.g. it's not usually mentioned in the lead of the Wikipedia article).  It's unnecessary for each article to contain two lists of what awards the person has received, one list in the article text (neatly laid out, with information such as dates where appropriate and with references) and another list made up of categories. DexDor (talk) 21:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise, 5th class

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Recipients of the Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise, 5th class
 * Nominator's rationale If there is anything that violates the rules against overcategorization by award, it is having an award category for the 5th and lowest sub-cat of an award. This leads to needless category clutter, as we see in the case of Yury Luzhkov who is in 16 awards categories. This is just too much.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:10, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It's a TOP award even with 5th class rating.  Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 10:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a national award. We commonly allow categories for them.  However, perhaps where the award is given to a foreign politician, probably to butter him up, rather than as a recognition of servives to the nation, we should do some purging.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:59, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That approach does not work. I tried removing Dwight D. Eisenhower from the 50 awards categories he was in because without them he is in 30 categories which is probably still too many, and was reverted on it. People are not likely to accept limited application of award cats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the 5th rank down of a national award. When people like Luzhkov have as many awards as they do something has to be done about category clutter. This is not the top of the award, but the lowest of five classes of the award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Another person in this category Boris Gronov is in 10 awards categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment/Ask: For why mentioned Luzhkov? This is one of the highest awards of Ukraine. And this award IS NOT 5th rank down of a national award. It's simply graduation of order, NOT a rank among national awards.  Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see why we wouldn't have this category, as it is a valid subcategorization of Category:Recipients of the Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise, and were this deleted, it'd be dumped into the parent, and need to be split out again. As all of the other grades of the order have not been nominated for deletion, there's not really a good reason to get rid of this one. -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 08:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep It is an important fact och source of knowledge. Lifeglider (talk) 10:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Week keep per Vanquisher.UA and 70.24.244.158. Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 12:36, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Discretionary honours and decorations awarded by national governments should be categorised. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Bronze Star Medal

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Recipients of the Bronze Star Medal
 * Nominator's rationale This is the 4th highest medal given by the armed forces, by some measures. Award categories should really be limited at the very least to the top medals in a class, which this is not. It leads to category clutter, because it is put on articles that are about people who are not at all notable for having been in the armed services, let alone for having won this metal.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Almost Silver Star twin.  Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 10:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This is one of 32 award categories that Douglas MacArthur is in. This is not a workable way to categorize people. These people are not in most cases if any notable for having received this award. It is leading to category clutter which we need to cut down on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - We don't need to delete every Military award category cause Dugout Doug got it! Kumioko (talk) 19:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That is not an argument for speedy keep. I really think we should delete every category below the congressional medal of honor for US military awards. Everything else is less prestigious, especially with how willingly they handed out awards in Vietnam.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as an appropriate defining characteristic and an effective aid to navigation for recipients of this "metal" ( [sic], though I guess that Bronze is both a medal and a metal). Invariably there will be cases where individuals such as Douglas MacArthur receive many awards, medals and honors, and so be it; he's earned those categories and it hardly seems necessary to wag the dog because of one person at the distant end of the tail. Alansohn (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * People are not categorized because they "earned" something. Categorization is meant to be useful, and when someone is in 32 award categories it clearly is not useful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * People are categorized by defining characteristics like this one. Can you explain why any category should be deleted because one person fits into many of them? Alansohn (talk) 03:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. This is a nonsensical waste-of-time nomination. Agree with Alansohn re: "wag the dog."--ColonelHenry (talk) 21:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This award is not "Almost Silver Star twin." Most Bronze Stars are awarded for good paper pushing in a combat zone.  Only the Bronze Star with Combat "V" Device would be important enough to categorize.  Limiting US military award categories to only the Medal of Honor is too severe, Air Force Cross, Navy Cross, Distinguished Service Cross should be kept at a minimum.  --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment One of the people in this category Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld is in 52 awards categories, and as far as I can tell was never even a member of the US military. This type of overcategorization is not useful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:People from Willowick, Ohio

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Willowick, Ohio to Category:People from Lake County, Ohio
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Only has 2 entries. ...William 11:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:People from Eastlake, Ohio

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Eastlake, Ohio to Category:People from Lake County, Ohio
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Has only 1 entry. ...William 10:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Mountain biking venues in France etc

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mountain biking venues in france


 * Propose deleting Category:Mountain biking venues in British Columbia
 * Propose deleting Category:Mountain biking venues in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories contain articles that appear to be about places (e.g. towns, parks) where mountain biking is just one of many activities that may take place - i.e. mountain biking is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these places (plus a few articles like Megavalanche that are about events rather than venues and are also categorized as such). A similar category was recently deleted - Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_22. Note: The other categories under Category:Mountain biking venues each contain at least one article that may be specifically about mountain biking (e.g. Bootleg Canyon Mountain Bike Park) so those categories should be purged manually (like I've done the UK cat). DexDor (talk) 05:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete These articles are on things like ski resorts that are also used for mountain biking. This is not a defining trait of the subject of the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * delete per nomination. Venue articles generally need to be about specialized facilities, which isn't the case here. Seyasirt (talk) 21:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete performer by performance analog. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:UK BAP habitats

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 * The result of the discussion was: Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 24. Dana boomer (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uk bap habitats


 * Nominator's rationale: That a type of habitat is mentioned in the UK's biodiversity action plan is not a WP:DEFINING characeristic of that habitat - especially where a habitat (e.g. deep-water coral) is not specific to the UK. Note: The list (in the United Kingdom Biodiversity Action Plan article) includes many things (e.g. Rivers) that clearly should not be in any country-specific category.  Note: If kept, this category should be renamed to avoid the "BAP" acronym as it may not be familiar to many people. DexDor (talk) 05:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep and Populate but rename to Category:UK Biodiversity Action Plan priority habitats. -- This is a difficult one.  If kept, it should be Category:UK Biodiversity Action Plan priority habitats.  As I understand it, these are types of habitat that are scarce in UK, and thus require particular study and conservation.  The problem is that most of the potential articles are red-linked.  Others such as rivers and ponds are common in many countries and not adequately defined and for them it is a mere performance category.  However Calaminarian grassland and Purple moor grass and rush pastures may well be useful to have in a priority habitats category.  The fact that they are identified as priority habitats is likely to indicate that they are internationally scarce.  Deep-water corals, also known as cold-water corals occur on the European Continental Shelf.  The origin of the coral beaches on the west of Ireland and off Norway has only been recognised in the past 30 years: this is not the common corals of the tropics.  I suspect that propulating the category better should not be too difficult, by converting some the red-links to redirects (or redirects with possibilities).  For example Lowland heath is a nationally scarce habitat, but we have an article on Heath, which is a worldwide one and might be forked to provide such an article.  Sorry, I cannot do this, as I am not qualified to.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who read Wilkie Collins

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who read wilkie collins


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category, not really encyclopedic. Kumioko (talk) 03:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OC/U in addition to being an empty category. A category for users who have simply read an authors work is irrelevant to encyclopedia-building in my opinion. —  - dain   omite    06:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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