Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 28



Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia (U.S. state)

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Georgia (U.S. state) is only Wikipedia's terminology to distinguish it from the country in Asia. It makes no sense here because the country in Asia called Georgia is not part of the United States and has no Interstate highways. Georgia guy (talk) 21:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

BTW, please note that the principle consistency of category names is so long established that it is a criterion for speedy renaming: WP:C2C. If you want to overturn the principle of consistency, then I suggest that you open an RFC. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:17, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The name as used is consistent throughout the category trees and in this case is consistent with Category:Interstate Highways in Washington (state)‎. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Georgia should always be disambiguated. Further, there are highways that lead between Georgia (country) and other countries (states), thus being interstate (international) highways. -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 23:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. How are they "interstate"?? Do they form any official system?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For all categories regarding "Georgia-the-state", the format is Georgia (U.S. state). For all categories regarding Georgia-the-country, the format is "Georgia (country)". And never the twain should meet, because that way confusion lies. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just as if "Georgia (U.S. state)" were the state's actual name?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Per the naming conventions, the place is called Georgia.  The (U.S. state) is added to clarify which one it is. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * And it is not needed here because the country has no Interstate highways. Interstate highways belong to the United States only. Georgia guy (talk) 01:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not how categorisation works. ALL categories regarding Georgia-the-state are "Georgia (U.S. state)". No exceptions. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Why?? "U.S. state" is just a dis-ambiguator; it's not part of the state's name. Georgia guy (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Nobody said it is part of the state's name. Have you missed all the comments from other editors explaining how the principle of consistency is applied across all category names? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * (ec) I have no idea what labels the caucasian nation of Georgia applies to its major roads, so looking at the "interstate" bit merely tells me that this might be either Georgia.  The "(U.S. state)" disambiguator tells me which one it is.
 * Oppose. For clarity, it is best to use the same format for the state's name in all categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:U.S. Highways in Georgia (U.S. state): anal rule-following at its best. --NE2 17:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That appears to have been renamed in 2006. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Consistency at its best, actually. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between consistency and anal rule-following? --NE2 22:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment if ALL categories even unambiguous ones (as this is) that reference the US State of Georgia have the "(U.S. state)" appendage, this should match, if not then it ought be lopped off as it's only purpose is to disambiguate and there is no ambiguity here because the country of Georgia has no Interstate Highways (capitalized thusly). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that categories that clearly pertain to the United States and not a separate nation-state could omit the "(U.S. state)" portion but I've made proposals like this and they have failed based on opinions expressed above. So, I support your nomination and know, at the same time, that it will never be approved. Liz  Read! Talk! 21:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Lance Spearman

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lance spearman


 * Nominator's rationale: Not enough material for this eponymous category. Pichpich (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete What concerns me here is that there are no parent categories linking Category:Lance Spearman to other Wikipedia categories so this is a completely isolated category containing two articles. This makes it almost impossible for users to find if they are looking for similar articles. So, while I believe in small cats, I don't see that this one is providing much utility. Liz  Read! Talk! 21:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:List of Lazish musicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting list of lazish musicians


 * Nominator's rationale: This isn't a list - it's a category. Could be merged somewhere, but as it contains just one article it might be better to start from scratch. DexDor (talk) 19:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Misnamed as it actually doesn't contain a single list. Liz  Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:42, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Thuyet Buon Vua
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thuyet buon vua


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT etc DexDor (talk) 19:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support not necessary, redundant cat. There's a bigger issue with verification of the claims in the article Thuyet Buon Vua. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:38, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete It's not clear to me what Năm Cam has to do with Thuyet Buon Vua (which is a really poorly written article). Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Zbečník
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting zbečník


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT etc DexDor (talk) 19:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support not necessary, redundant cat. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete It's unusual for a village to be notable enough to warrant its own category. Not in this case. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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Category:User took part in Valoriser ses connaissances avec Wikipédia Workshop
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (Note: seems to be populated from the template page Wikimédia France/Workshop banner.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting user took part in valoriser ses connaissances avec wikipédia workshop


 * Nominator's rationale: This doesn't look like a long-term category and I'm not sure it belongs on the English language Wikipedia. If kept it probably needs to be renamed to something beginning with "Wikipedia".  Could be listified (I'm not sure where to though). DexDor (talk) 19:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Looking at the original category created by Superrabbit001, it's clear that there was some confusion on what a category should be...it was a combination of an article and a category. The creator edited for one month and then stopped and I'm not sure if this category is needed beyond the lifetime of the workshop. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:57, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Morton A. Brody Distinguished Judicial Service Award recipients
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting morton a. brody distinguished judicial service award recipients


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the recipients - some of the articles (example) don't even mention this award. See WP:OC.  For info: There is a list at Morton A. Brody Distinguished Judicial Service Award. DexDor (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: - Per WP:OC, the category is small (established in 2001), but will grow because the award is active and named every year. Defining because Category:Legal awards are rare; defining because while award isn't included in every winner's article yet, it may well in the future - mentioned frequently as an accolade in sources (http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/10303/Gertner). Nickline4 (talk) 23:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That link shows that this is one of many awards that she has received. It also states things like she's been profiled in the Boston Globe. It doesn't show that the award is a defining characteristic. DexDor (talk) 05:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment No vote for whether to keep or delete but if it is kept, it should be assigned relevant parent categories as it is an isolated award category. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is one of many awards given out by colleges. There is nothing about this award that says it is defining to the judges who recieve it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Strategic bomber
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting strategic bomber


 * Nominator's rationale: The relevant guideline says "Role categories are intentionally quite broad - the danger of over-precision would be the creation of multiple, closely-related categories with only very hazy (or semantic) borders between them.". See also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_6. If kept this should be renamed to the plural form. DexDor (talk) 19:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Aside from the nominator's observation, it should be pointed out that "strategic bomber" is a somewhat nebulous term. To give an example, in 1944, the B-29 Superfortress was classified as a strategic bomber - and in 1949 it was a medium bomber. This is already well-covered by a list at strategic bomber (albiet needing cleanup), while lists and categories can and do co-exist, in this case the category is WP:OC. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Shogi players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Japanese Shogi players to Category:Japanese shogi players
 * Category:American Shogi players to Category:American shogi players
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessary capitalization Greg Bard (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * As with Go (game), the word Shogi is commonly, but not invariably or necessarily, capitalized in English-language written material about the game. The reasons for doing it with Go are clearer than with Shogi.  All else equal, I'd suggest leaving these categories as they are, but no big deal. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename. The article Shogi uses the lowercase form throughout, so this should likely follow suit. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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Category:UK MPs 2010– stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, although I will listify it at the project talk page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uk mps 2010– stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. For stub sorting, this sets a curious precedent. Politicians are typically stub sorted by either politicial party, or by year of birth.  Sorting by year of election would naturally lead to excessive stub-tagging for career politicians. Dawynn (talk) 14:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Huge progress has been made in expanding these articles, and only 17 remain as stubs. Please let's keep the category to help get the rest of them to be unstubbed while the sources on them remain readily available. After the next general election, I would support deleting this stub type, but creating a new Category:UK MPs 2015– stubs, to help editors focus on the next new intake. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep until the next general election. As a general rule, I agree that stub-tagging by year of election could get horribly cluttersome, and should be avoided. However, this category groups the most recent intake, after the 2010 general election, which as by far the biggest new intake for some time: 247 MPs serving in the current parliament were not in the previous one.
 * WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:United Kingdom MP stubs as there are far fewer than 60 stubs in this category. Also, why create Category:UK MPs 2015– stubs and not Category:UK MPs 2015–2020 stubs?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:UK MPs 2015–2020 stubs assumes that the Parliament will run to 2020. As discussed at the CFD on Category:Lists of UK MPs 2010–, that is not inevitable. See Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. Just seems a safe bet to me to give it a definitve end period. At least you don't then waste time on having to rename a category and update 600+ articles.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If a change is needed, the bots will not find the job onerous. And I doubt that there will be 600 stubs, even at the start of the parliament. Maybe 150 if an an unusually high number of seats change hands, many of which will be rapidly unstubbed. Look how few are left for the current Parliament? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I meant the 600+ figure in relation to the parent category, and likewise with the one for the next parliament.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge, delete tag - several MPs will probably span several parliaments. There is no reason to single this one for a stub category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Thelema stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Dawynn (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thelema stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Underpopulated stub category. Propose keeping template but upmerging to .  Delete category. Dawynn (talk) 14:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - a quick scan finds 26 stubs; and since this is the main stub category for WikiProject Thelema, the required sizes are smaller - a normal stub category would probably be kept at 52. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Tech noir
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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge the one article remaining, Tech noir, to Category:Neo-noir. Films so described may be listed in that article. 82.152.43.126 (talk) 11:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tech noir


 * Nominator's rationale: Majority of articles that were members of this category did not verifiably belong to the category. Very few entries remaining, though it might be possible to rebuild the list with greater attention to verifiability of category members. Lead for category is unclear and includes statements that should be sourced. A list may be a preferable option. DonIago (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of books about tech noir as seen here and here. My impression is that this category is more academic than mainstream, meaning that film critics do not seem to use the term "tech noir" in their reviews. I think this suggests that it would be difficult to try to state and reference this term in each film article to make the category verifiable. I think a list article (one that can be linked to through "See also" sections) would be a better way to organize films under this particular genre. These are my thoughts so far, and I'm not quite sure about outright deletion of this category. Others' input would be appreciated. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 15:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd support listification; among other things it would be easier to monitor than categories tend to be. It might be possible to establish the appropriate film articles as belonging to this category without the full terminology being used, but I think we'd need to be careful to avoid synthesis issues, and the category page would need to be clear about where we draw the line. With most of the articles I delisted, the word "noir" wasn't even used anywhere, which would be an obvious problem. DonIago (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Legislative Assembly elections in India
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as a clear duplicate and per C2E. The Bushranger One ping only 03:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Legislative Assembly elections in India to Category:State Assembly elections in India
 * Nominator's rationale: The new user has unnecessarily created this category. A similar category Category:State Assembly elections in India already existed. So request to merge . Shyamsunder (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I, the creator of this category, seconded the opinion. Merge it with the already existing one or redirect it to the same. Logical1004 (talk) 12:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Washington (state) road stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; template kept but changed to populate  and . Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting washington (state) road stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Very underpopulated stub category. Does not meet the lower limit for a stub category. Keep template, but upmerge to .  Delete category. Dawynn (talk) 11:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete category, keep template per nom. Currently contains only 16 articles, which is way undersized. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:27, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually only 6 articles after review. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete category per nom. Not so long ago I populated this as much as I could (as part of the US transportation stubs); I doubt that any significant number of stubs for this category were creqated since then. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and upmerge to Western U.S. Road Stubs category. Hopefully we will be doing this with more states.  Dough 48  72  00:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To both parents ( and ). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:35, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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Category:TIME 100 Most Influential People in the World
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:59, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting time 100 (2014)


 * Propose deleting time 100 (2012)


 * Propose deleting time 100 (2011)


 * Propose deleting time 100 (2013)


 * Propose deleting time 100 most influential people in the world


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not even an award presented to someone based on merit, it is a measure of their influence, and at least 100 of these 'spots' are handed out every year. Per ocat we should not do cats based on top-100-lists per OC. Additionally, membership on these lists is not defining of these people.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Nymf (talk) 18:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:OC and countless precedents. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I usually include being selected in the Time 100 in the article about someone, because it is a metric of some kind of importance, but it's not well-defined enough or consistent enough to warrant a category. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons above and horrific clutter. Pichpich (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Film shooting locations
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 * The result of the discussion was: do as proposed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting film shooting locations


 * Nominator's rationale: Partial merge. This was split from Category:Filming locations per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_24. This part of the split has not been successful, as it still contains articles on various locations which have occasionally been used as film locations. I have set up a new sub-cat, for lists and the Texas Chainsaw House. We should merge all the subcats and three technical articles (Filming location, Movie ranch and Backlot) up to the parent Category:Film location shooting, and then delete the rest. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Free
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Free goods and services, without prejudice to a future nomination for deletion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Free to Category:Free ____
 * Nominator's rationale: There has to be a better name that just "Free". Also, it's subcategorized under Category:Money, implying that these are all things which don't cost anything but a lot of these software/cultural products do cost money while allowing users to amend/share/adapt freely. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Free goods and services, to distinguish it from e.g. political freedoms. Remove as WP:OCAT by shared name. I can't see which software/cultural contents you were referring to as e.g.  or  are not in this category and have not been recently removed from it. Maybe retain the current one as a disambiguation page to navigate to free content,,  etc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * leaning to delete along with all subcats I have to question the existence of this whole structure. For the most part we're talking an incidental property of whatever the category is talking about, as for example the various publishers who have released works under licenses which allow copying. Things that are free may cease to be so, and things that are not free may come to be so; therefore this tends to be a directory of things that are free at the moment. (And yes, I understand that the CC licenses are effectively permanent.) I can see keeping subcats which talk about the ways in which things are free, but WP:NOTDEFINING otherwise tends to cover the whole category structure. Mangoe (talk) 12:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * rename to free goods and services explaining that this is about free-as -in-beer, not free-as-in-speech, and purge of all open content related stuff, keeping as a see also link instead (I think there's a container for open content somewhere --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Gratis or Category:Free as in gratis or Category:Free (gratis) -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 23:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:List of Nicaraguan Film Historians
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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete WP:G7 — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting list of nicaraguan film historians


 * Nominator's rationale: only one person here (the author also wrote on my page about this) Wgolf (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I deleted the cat off the persons page per request of the author-I also just put a empty deletion tag on there.Wgolf (talk) 03:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


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