Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 19



Category:Caleb Johnson (singer)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:36, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting caleb johnson (singer)


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only contains the article Caleb Johnson (singer) and . I can't find any other articles to include. The subject's debut album was only just released this month, so there's not going to be tons of stuff that needs categorization at this stage. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is an album and a song by the artist with articles but those should categorized in appropriate schemes for albums by artist and songs by artist categories. Even with those, this eponymous category is not needed. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


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Grand Tour stage winners by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging:


 * Category:American Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:American male cyclists
 * Category:Australian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Australian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Austrian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Austrian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Belgian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Belgian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Brazilian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Brazilian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:British‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:British‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Canadian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Canadian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Colombian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Colombian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Czech‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Czech‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Danish‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Danish‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Dutch‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Dutch‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Estonian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Estonian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:French‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:French‎ male cyclists
 * Category:German‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:German‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Irish‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Irish‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Italian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Italian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Kazakhstani‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Kazakhstani‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Latvian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Latvian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Luxembourgian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Luxembourgian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Mexican‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Mexican‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Norwegian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Norwegian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Polish‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Polish‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Portuguese‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Portuguese‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Russian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Russian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Slovakian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Slovak male cyclists
 * Category:South African‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:South African‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Spanish‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Spanish‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Swedish‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Swedish‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Swiss‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Swiss‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Ukrainian‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Ukrainian‎ male cyclists
 * Category:Uzbekistani‎ Tour de France stage winners to Category:Tour de France stage winners and Category:Uzbekistani‎ male cyclists


 * Category:‎American Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:‎American male cyclists
 * Category:Australian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Australian male cyclists
 * Category:Belgian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Belgian male cyclists
 * Category:British Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:British male cyclists
 * Category:Colombian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Colombian male cyclists
 * Category:Czech Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Czech male cyclists
 * Category:Danish Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Danish male cyclists
 * Category:Dutch Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Dutch male cyclists
 * Category:French Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:French male cyclists
 * Category:German Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:German male cyclists
 * Category:Italian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Italian male cyclists
 * Category:Norwegian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Norwegian male cyclists
 * Category:Russian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Russian male cyclists
 * Category:Spanish Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Spanish male cyclists
 * Category:Swiss Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Swiss male cyclists
 * Category:Ukrainian Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Ukrainian male cyclists
 * Category:Venezuelan Giro d'Italia stage winners to Category:Giro d'Italia stage winners and Category:Venezuelan male cyclists


 * Category:American Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:American male cyclists
 * Category:Australian Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Australian male cyclists
 * Category:Belgian Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Belgian male cyclists
 * Category:British Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:British male cyclists
 * Category:Colombian Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Colombian male cyclists
 * Category:Danish Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Danish male cyclists
 * Category:Dutch Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Dutch male cyclists
 * Category:French Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:French male cyclists
 * Category:German Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:German male cyclists
 * Category:Irish Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Irish male cyclists
 * Category:Italian Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Italian male cyclists
 * Category:Russian Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Russian male cyclists
 * Category:Spanish Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Spanish male cyclists
 * Category:Swiss Vuelta a España stage winners‎ to Category:Vuelta a España stage winners‎ and Category:Swiss male cyclists


 * Nominator's rationale: The three Grand Tours are contested by multinational trade teams, not national teams, and so the above categories are based on a trivial intersection of characteristics. Although being a Grand Tour stage winner and being a Fooian male cyclist are individually defining, the intersection of the two characteristics is not. Upmerging would result in the 'stage winners' category for each Grand Tour being populated with between 300 articles (Giro d'Italia and Vuelta España), which is not too high, and 750 articles (Tour de France), which can be navigated using a TOC template. Due to the presence of articles such as Yellow jersey statistics, Pink jersey statistics, and Vuelta a España records and statistics, no information would be lost as a result of the merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:22, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I really don't see the benefit of deleting multiple, reasonable size categories in favour of huge, messy categories. In the past we've created subcategory structures to keep category sizes manageable. This proposal aims at doing exactly the opposite. In, for example, 3 of the subcats have over 100 members. One of those has 222. Merging these categories results in a category with 762 members. Sure, we can navigate a category that size, but say we want to isolate the 9 Australians, how do we do that with a TOC? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Subcategory structures are appropriate for managing the size of large categories, but they should be constructed along lines that are meaningful and significant. For example, we have Category:Olympic cyclists of Australia because that is a meaningful way to divide those individuals: Olympic cyclists compete on national teams and represent their nations. However, there is not a similar relationship between nationality and participation in a Grand Tour. The fact that three categories (Belgian, French, Italian) account for nearly two-thirds of articles in this category tree lends further credence to that point.
 * ...say we want to isolate the 9 Australians, how do we do that with a TOC? We could not, but underlying that is the matter that a category is not the right tool for capturing these types of potentially interesting but ultimately trivial intersections. Instead, we could find it in a list-type article such as Yellow jersey statistics, or through a category intersection tool. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:03, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep for easy navigation. NickSt (talk) 09:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Volcanoes of Bougainville

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Volcanoes of Bougainville to Category:Volcanoes of Bougainville Island or Category:Volcanoes of the Autonomous Region of Bougainville
 * Nominator's rationale: The current title is ambiguous, since "Bougainville" could refer either to Bougainville Island or the Autonomous Region of Bougainville, which are not coterminous since the Autonomous Region also includes Buka Island and the Carteret Islands. The choice of new title depends on whether we choose to categorize by geographic or political boundaries. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename. I would tend to go with the first option, Category:Volcanoes of Bougainville Island, just because this is more of geographical topic than a political topic. But I can also understand the practice of dividing landforms by political entities. We also have category:Volcanoes of New Britain‎. (New Britain is an island which is composed to two provinces.) But certainly it needs to be renamed to one or the other. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Bedford College, London

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename as nominated; should the main article be renamed, the category can subsequently be moved accordingly. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:52, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bedford College, London to Category:Bedford College (London)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the main article: Bedford College (London). The article was moved recently and, therefore, this category is not eligible for speedy renaming. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * REname category to Category:Bedford College, University of London and article to match. That was its official named until it merged with Royal Holloway, University of London (abbreviated to RHUL).  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If that is the case, then we should move the article first. Would you be willing to initiate the move request? Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * rename as proposed. Gregkaye (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:UH member clubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:UH member clubs to Category:United Hospitals rugby union clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: To expand the abbreviation "UH", per Category:United Hospitals, and clarify the meaning of "member clubs". I am also wondering whether this actually ought to be split from Category:University and college rugby union clubs in England—are UH rugby union clubs really a distinct, recognized subset of English university rugby union clubs in general? (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the category contains pages about sporting clubs and not just rugby teams Mschamberlain (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Your point is well taken, but the current name (with "member clubs") does not clearly convey that fact. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose rename to Category:United Hospitals sports clubs. This is a distinct type of sports club. Rugby teams should also be categorised by the current parent,, which should be removed after rename in favour of . SFB 18:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that is a superior suggestion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Kosal Wikipedians

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:00, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kosal wikipedians


 * Nominator's rationale: Wikipedians from Odisha, tagged as being from ancient Kosala. the category is added by another user to Oriya Wikipedians category holders  Redtigerxyz  Talk 12:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The proposal may not be as obvious as it seems to be, per Kosal state movement. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. This category is not added by themselves but by someone else. See- here, here and here. And this one too. -- Shiti  (talk) 09:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Geography of Kosala

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting geography of kosala


 * Nominator's rationale: See Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_57 Modern districts, cities, towns from Odisha categorized in ancient Kosala. Redtigerxyz  Talk 12:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Delete this category and its sub-category. Kosala is not any modern recognized land. All sub categories are related to modern day Odisha.-- Shiti (talk) 09:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Radio stations and networks by content

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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Radio stations by format and Category:Radio networks by format. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting radio stations and networks by content


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Another User:Stefanomione special. There are two key problems here: one is that categorizing radio stations by "content" isn't meaningfully distinct from categorizing them by "format", thus making this an unhelpful duplication of ; and the other is the conflation of "stations and networks" into a common bucket, even though all other categories in the tree keep stations and networks catted separately from each other. By either token, this category simply isn't needed or warranted in this form. Bearcat (talk) 17:15, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Split in Category:Radio stations by format and Category:Radio networks by format, and expand both. Stefanomione (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Stefanominone's idea as this is a valid distinction. SFB 18:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


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Musical intervals

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to the (music) form. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:05, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Seconds to Category:Musical seconds or Category:Seconds (music)
 * Propose renaming Category:Thirds to Category:Musical thirds or Category:Thirds (music)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fourths to Category:Musical fourths or Category:Fourths (music)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fifths to Category:Musical fifths or Category:Fifths (music)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sixths to Category:Musical sixths or Category:Sixths (music)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sevenths to Category:Musical sevenths or Category:Sevenths (music)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. These terms for musical intervals are ambiguous: see Second and Second (disambiguation), Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh. I propose adding the adjective "Musical" to each one for clarity. Alternatively, the disambiguator "(music)" could be added to each one. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support using the "(music)" distinction per Seventh (music). The proposed format is not common usage so the handle is a better parenthetical solution. SFB 18:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename all are highly ambiguous. Use "(music)" -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support: using the (music) format Aristophanes 68   (talk)  21:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


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