Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 December 22



Category:Australian labor union officials convicted of crimes

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to all parents (where necessary). – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting australian labor union officials convicted of crimes


 * Nominator's rationale: This category is a clear example of Overcategorization, being small with very limited potential for growth and also a narrow intersection of two existing categories - Category:Australian trade unionists and Australian criminals. Also, the category is anomalous when you compare with the current scheme for categorising Australian people by occupation, which does not generally include whether they have criminal convictions, see Category:Australian lawyers or Category:Australian corporate directors. Incidentally, the use of the term 'labor union official' is incorrect in Australian English. Warrenjs1 (talk) 00:13, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't agree with nominator's comments. Corruption in trade unions in Australia is wide spread and w. Recently the Govt has set up the Royal Commission to inquire and report seeRoyal Commission into trade union governance and corruption. The category will definitely grow. If the title is incorrect as per the Australian English please feel free to suggest the correct one.Shyamsunder (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, on the basis there is not even a Category:Australian trade union leaders and the poorly sourced, largely off-topic Royal Commission into trade union governance and corruption article doesn't demonstrate there is widespread corruption in Australian trade unionism. My one question would be whether Category:American labor union officials convicted of crimes should have been included in this nomination (though is a larger category). Sionk (talk) 23:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support/Triple Upmerge To all parents. 3 articles is not enough to convince me that a separate national sub-category is needed. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge -- If kept "labor" should become "labour" or better still "trades", since Australia uses British English. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The tree starting from Category:Criminals by occupation is entirely focused on non-private sector occupations. This should be re-balanced to better reflect crime and corruption across occupational sectors. SFB 20:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete last rung problem; too focused. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish Australian sportspeople

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge--Ymblanter (talk) 07:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Australian sportspeople to Category:Australian sportspeople, Category:Australian Jews and Category:Jewish sportspeople
 * Propose merging Category:Australian sportspeople of Italian descent to Category:Australian sportspeople and Category:Australian people of Italian descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin to Category:Australian sportspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: Following on from discussion here, Jewish Australian sportspeople is not a topic of wide study that merits a category. I have been unable to locate any material which studies Jewish people in a sports context that is specific to Australia and not part of broader study of either Australian Jews or Jewish sportspeople in general (the parent categories here). Similarly, I have never heard Italian ancestry discussed in an Australian sport-specific context. It's simply not a topic of study, hence why global search results simply mirror the content of that Wikipedia category. Compare these two categories with the valid category we have in Category:Indigenous Australian sportspeople - a topic which has generated much study in itself  and spawned many organisations related to this matter.
 * The final nomination is an upmerge for the parent which, in the event of merging of the other two, would only contain one category. SFB 18:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge. The merge to Jewish sportspeople can be selective, as some are already in specific sub-categories by sport. Category:Indigenous Australian sportspeople should also end up in Category:Sportspeople by ethnicity. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete unmaintainable religion/ethnicity category. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge triple intersections are heavily discouraged.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete - Technically, you apparently have to merge to subcats, after you figure out which sport it is. It might be easier to delete, and let helpful editors find the right category homes... - jc37 05:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:People from Epps, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Epps, Louisiana to Category:People from West Carroll Parish, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one county community with just 1 entry. ...William 16:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge A community of under 1000 seems unlikely to garner many biographical subjects notable for Wikipedia, making this category unmaintainable. SFB 18:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Albums written by Ant Whiting

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums written by ant whiting


 * Nominator's rationale: Albums are not written. No corresponding category, either. Richhoncho (talk) 13:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I have reviewed all the albums and left only the ones for which Whiting wrote more than one or two songs on the whole album. This has left us with zero articles in the category. We have Category:Songs written by Ant Whiting for the song writing credits and Category:Albums produced by Ant Whiting for the production credits. This category adds nothing to those two already well-applied categories. SFB 18:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - speedy even. Not an established category scheme as albums are produced not written. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:36, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Modified Volkswagen vehicles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Volkswagen Beetle modifications and create parent Category:Modified vehicles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Modified Volkswagen vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:NON-DEFINING and WP:OVERLAPCAT. I don't think the original manufacturer is defining for products that were modified with after-market changes. In this case, everything in this category is a modified Volkswagen Beetle and is also in Category:Volkswagen Beetle, which I created before I noticed this category. There is no similar category for other automakers. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified the category creator and this discussion has been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobile. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, but maybe rename: One of these rationales is just WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST; there was never any category of anything that was similar to any other category of anything until we created them, and we would never create categories except in big groups if this rationale were actually applicable. OVERLAPCAT is not even remotely similar to this case ("Category:Volkswagen vehicles with four wheels" would be such an example).  I tried to get behind NON-DEFINING (I started drafting this as a "weak support"), but on closer inspection, I can't. Being both a case of vehicle modification in general, and a Volkswagen mod in particular, are in fact both defining characteristics of the items in the category (or at least the ones I'm familiar with - it's possible one or another is miscategorized). It's not categorization by manufacturer of the original vehicle, it's categorization by the common name of the vehicle group to which the mods apply; the sort of name led to by those criteria just coincidentally is the same. This case is a good example of a subcat, because there are so many mods that fit this category; it's an unusually popular kind of mod, and has been for over 40 years. Other subcats of Category:Vehicle modification (vans, motorcycles) are more general, but a) one for cars  OVERLAPCAT, and b) if there were lots of articles about Ford mods in particular for some reason, that would be a valid subcat, and even if there were quite a number of articles in the motorcycles category, and a notable number of them were about Harley-Davidson mods in particular, it would be reasonable to create a subsubcat for that.  There is no "do not name categories after companies or product lines" principle at CfD.  The sheer number of VW entries will simply inspire someone to subcategorize them again later, if the cat. were deleted.  If it were, the articles should be categorized in Category:Vehicle modification as well as Category:Volkswagen Beetle, if applicable (some may be non-Beetles).  If none are non-Beetles and the cat. is kept, it could be renamed Category:Volkwagen Beetle modification to match the parent better, or Category:Volkswagen modification otherwise.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation of why you created the category. If this is deleted, I agree that the contents should be upmerged to Category:Vehicle modification (they are all already in Category:Volkswagen Beetle). RevelationDirect (talk) 12:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Note: I have just notified Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles and asked them to comment here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support upmerge to vehicle modification category. Manufacturer specific subcategories are not useful at this point in time. SFB 18:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Modified vehicles and allow other marques. Oculi (talk) 19:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I would support that expansion of the scope. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as Category:Volkwagen Beetle modifications. All those I looked at were vehicles derived from the Beetle.  This was an iconic car and rather different in structure from most others: 8 is enough for a worthwhile category.  We should also have a parent Category:Modified vehicles.  I suspect that we will find fewer based on other makes. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Razzaq Babu

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting razzaq babu


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is a user category in the main wikispace, serving as as a promotional advertising platform. 86.188.102.76 (talk) 11:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Agree with above and user already has same content on his userpage. SFB 18:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Al-Qaeda

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 * The result of the discussion was: Impossible - the most we could do towards this would be to add a lowercase to the category pge; however, pages categorized there would still have the current version of the name. Of course, this doesn't prevent similar nominations where "Al-Queda" isn't at the beginning. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Al-Qaeda to Category:al-Qaeda
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. the definite article "al-" is always lowercase, unless beginning a sentence. Article titles are in sentence case according to WP:TITLEFORMAT and the Manual of Style for Arabic. This issue has caused great trouble with unknowledged editors persisting in adding Al-Qaeda mid sentence but who can blame them when, even though the main Wikipedia article is titled al-Qaeda, categories state "Al-Qaeda" on a seemingly consistent basis.  I suggest a similar move of: Category:Al-Qaeda activities, Category:Al-Qaeda facilities, Category:Al-Qaeda members, Category:Organizations affiliated with Al-Qaeda, Category:Al-Qaeda safe houses, Category:Works about Al-Qaeda‎, Category:Al-Qaeda activities in Iraq, Category:Al-Qaeda attacks, Category:Al-Qaeda propaganda, Category:Al-Qaeda propagandists,  Category:Al-Qaeda members by nationality, Category:Al-Qaeda members by role‎, Category:Assassinated Al-Qaeda members.  Similar issues may be raised with many if not all articles containing the Arabic definite article, al.  Pinging   GregKaye  ✍ ♪  09:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment/not really doable through a rename. For the head category and any category that begins with "Al-Qaeda", "renaming" it is pointless and in fact not doable: the first letter after the colon in a category name is always capitalized. The nomination is therefore suggesting that we should rename a category to its current name. (Click on the nominated category and the proposed category—you will end up in the same place.) The only thing that could be done to fix this is to employ a Template:DISPLAYTITLE command so that it appears as a lower-case "a" from within the category. But from the exterior of the category (i.e., from viewing any page apart from the category page itself), the "A" will always be capitalized. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as non-relevant, technically impossible discussion. Note in the url that al-Qaeda is actually at Al-Qaeda. I don't see any possible objection to the use of DISPLAYTITLE in the category space so please proceed. SFB 18:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Good Ol’factory, SFB What about: Category:Organizations affiliated with Al-Qaeda, Category:Works about Al-Qaeda‎, and Category:Assassinated Al-Qaeda members? GregKaye  ✍ ♪  18:32, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy close technically impossible. Wikipedia does not support lowercase first letters for pagenames. If you want to rename other categories, then nominate them for renaming. Categories not tagged with the renaming template should not be renamed, as they have not been nominated. Even CFDS has a template to tag catgories for renaming. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh? Take a look at the category now. I may close this as addressed. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not addressed, Gregkaye, the nominator, specifically points out in a comment above to SFB, Category:Organizations affiliated with Al-Qaeda, Category:Works about Al-Qaeda‎, and Category:Assassinated Al-Qaeda members, which was the point I was addressing ("other categories") about not being tagged. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Companies based in Montgomery County, Texas

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice to re-creating if more content is created. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Companies based in Montgomery County, Texas
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT. The CBD in Montgomery County is The Woodlands, which has Category:Companies based in The Woodlands, Texas to list companies based there. The only thing in this category is that Woodlands sub-category and most counties don't have a company category. No objection to recreating the category later if some content appears later, which is likely considering how fast the area is developing. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified the category creator and this discussion has been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas. – RevelationDirect (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If there is a company based in Conroe or Shenandoah that is Wikipedia notable we can save the cat? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Southern Star Brewing Company is based in Conroe. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I normally go with 5 articles to create a category but that is my own guideline since there isn't an official fixed number. I really have no objection to the concept of a county-level cat so I'll defer to other editors if they think one article and one sub-category will aid navigation.RevelationDirect (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete The content of the category is very limited and Category:Companies based in Texas by county is struggling as it is to gain content so it's not really part of a well-populated larger tree either. SFB 03:07, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


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Sri Lankan Tamil emigrants to Norway

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:52, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Category:Sri Lankan Tamil emigrants to Norway to Category:Sri Lankan emigrants to Norway
 * Nominator's rationale we treat emigration as an issue of nationality, not ethnicity. We do not have such categories as Category:Russian Jewish emigrants to the United States or Category:African-American emigrants to France even though both would identify clearly defined emigration flows.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Migration is generally not a matter of ethnicity, except in the case of mass expulsions and genocide, in which case a category specific to that event is much more useful (e.g. Category:Jewish emigration from Nazi Germany). This category covers economic migrants from an ethnic group located in a specific nation, which isn't really a topic of much study in general, let alone this case. SFB 18:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to all parents. We will lose useful category data for the articles otherwise.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support with the nominator's rationale.--Blackknight12 (talk) 08:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom & SFB; another unmaintainable ethnic category. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Albanian Shia Muslims

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Albanian Sufis. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian Shia Muslims to Category:Albanian Bektashis


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category is being used to tag articles on Albanian people that belong to Bektashi Order, which is a tariqa of Sufism, not Shia Islam which is one major branch of Islam. Moreover, Bektashi is one of the recognized religions in Albania and other Albanian populated countries in Balkans, together with Islam, Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy. There are no Shias in Albania. Whoever created the category didn't do it on purpose, but the mistake is huge. Mondiad (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. This seems to reflect the content of the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Should they just be merged to the broader Category:Albanian Sufis, since there is a tree? Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I just saw there is such a category. The problem is that Suffi would include both Bektashi and Halveti order, which is less spread but still present and cannot be unified with Bektashi. (Other Suffi orders are not present in Albania, so don't make a difference in this case). Can we have both categories Category:Albanian Bektashis and Category:Albanian Sufis as a broader one? Mondiad (talk) 01:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It sounds as if the nom should go ahead, with it and a Halveti category, becoming sub-cats of the sufi one. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Albanian Sufis. There is so little content that having a national Bektashis subcategory wouldn't be very helpful at all. We haven't even started Category:Bektashis yet. That category is worth having, but I doubt it would currently be large enough to warrant national subdivision at this time. SFB 03:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


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Category:PDL seasons by club

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents to Category:United Soccer Leagues Premier Development League seasons. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pdl seasons by club


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Not sure what the story here is, but all subcategories here are empty.  Should any of this be kept? Vegaswikian (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all to Category:United Soccer Leagues Premier Development League seasons. 2013 Nashville Metros season is a certainty for deletion as a non-topic. 2012 FC Tucson season and 2012 Michigan Bucks season are scraping notability (16 games with ~750 average crowd?) as it is and clearly do not merit navigation as the only articles in the structure. SFB 18:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment -- if this survives, it should be renamed to Category:Premier Development League seasons by club, but I presume this is not a top-flight league but one for up-and-coming players; if so, I do not think it merits being kept. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Prisons in Anglesey

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Both articles are in the buildings by place tree which eliminates the need to upmerge. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting prisons in anglesey, prisons in pembrokeshire


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Following the recent merger of "Defunct prisons in COUNTY" Wales categories, it is clear these two "Prisons in COUNTY" categories are not needed, per WP:SMALLCAT. They have only one article in each and both these articles are already in Category:Defunct prisons in Wales, so no further merger is required. Sionk (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Both Two single article categories clutter navigation rather than helping it. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnecessary, both the member articles are already otherwise categorised as buildings in X. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge as with the other Welsh prisons. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


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