Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 December 27



Category:Party of Regions (Ukraine)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Proposed rename: Category:Party of Regions (Ukraine) to Category:Party of Regions
 * Nominator's rationale; per Party of Regions. Charles Essie (talk) 20:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep – per Party of Regions (Poland). The article should be moved as it is ambiguous. Oculi (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * While it's a separate issue from whether the category should be renamed, I'm not convinced that the article should be moved in this case. It is, in all likelihood, the Ukrainian party is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name. The Ukrainian party has been a major parliamentary player in the country. The Polish party is quite small and has never been represented in the parliament. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to match article. As I mentioned above, the Ukrainian party is likely the primary topic, and categories should follow the article's name in cases such as these (similar to why we have and  even though these names are technically ambiguous). Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Polish part is a very minor party with no high level elected people, or a wide support among the people. The Ukrainian group on the other hand had an outright majority at the regional level of Ukrainian politics in 2010. SFB 03:20, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


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Cricket players by team

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep all. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Queensland cricketers to Category:Queensland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:ACT cricketers to Category:Australian Capital Territory cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:New South Wales cricketers to Category:New South Wales cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Australia cricketers to Category:South Australia cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Tasmania cricketers to Category:Tasmania cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Victoria cricketers to Category:Victoria cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Western Australia cricketers to Category:Western Australia cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Queensland cricket captains to Category:Captains for Queensland Cricket
 * Propose renaming Category:Fitzroy cricketers to Category:Fitzroy Doncaster Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kensington cricketers to Category:Kensington Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Prospect cricketers to Category:Prospect Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Richmond cricketers to Category:Richmond Cricket Club (Australia) players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Melbourne cricketers to Category:Casey-South Melbourne Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:St George cricketers to Category:St George Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Berkshire women cricketers to Category:Berkshire Women cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Somerset women cricketers to Category:Somerset Women cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Worcestershire women cricketers to Category:Worcestershire Women cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Auckland cricketers to Category:Auckland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Canterbury cricketers to Category:Canterbury cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hawke's Bay cricketers to Category:Hawke's Bay cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Nelson cricketers to Category:Nelson cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northern Districts cricketers to Category:Northern Districts cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Otago cricketers to Category:Otago cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Southland cricketers to Category:Southland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Wellington cricketers to Category:Wellington cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:West Coast cricketers to Category:West Coast cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Carmarthenshire cricketers to Category:Carmarthenshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Denbighshire cricketers to Category:Denbighshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Glamorgan cricketers to Category:Glamorgan County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Glamorgan cricket captains to Category:Captains for Glamorgan County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Monmouthshire cricketers to Category:Monmouth Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Wales cricketers to Category:Wales international cricketers
 * Propose renaming Category:Wales Minor Counties cricketers to Category:Wales Minor Counties Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Barbados cricketers to Category:Barbados national cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Berbice cricketers to Category:Berbice cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:British Virgin Islands cricketers to Category:British Virgin Islands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Demerara cricketers to Category:Demerara cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Essequibo cricketers to Category:Essequibo cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Grenada representative cricketers to Category:Grenada national cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Guyana cricketers to Category:Guyana national cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Jamaica cricketers to Category:Jamaica national cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Leeward Islands cricketers to Category:Leeward Islands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Nevis representative cricketers to Category:Nevis cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North Trinidad cricketers to Category:North Trinidad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rest of Leeward Islands cricketers to Category:Rest of Leeward Islands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Kitts representative cricketers to Category:Saint Kitts cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Lucia representative cricketers to Category:Saint Lucia cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sint Maarten representative cricketers to Category:Sint Maarten cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Trinidad cricketers to Category:South Trinidad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North Trinidad cricketers to Category:North Trinidad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Trinidad and Tobago cricketers to Category:Trinidad and Tobago national cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Trinidad and Tobago women cricketers to Category:Trinidad and Tobago national women's cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Virgin Islands cricketers to Category:United States Virgin Islands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Windward Islands cricketers to Category:Windward Islands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Boland cricketers to Category:Boland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Border cricketers to Category:Border cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Eastern Province cricketers to Category:Eastern Province cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Easterns cricketers to Category:Easterns cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Free State cricketers to Category:Free State cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Gauteng cricketers to Category:Gauteng cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Griqualand West cricketers to Category:Griqualand West cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:KwaZulu-Natal cricketers to Category:KwaZulu-Natal cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:KwaZulu-Natal Inland cricketers to Category:KwaZulu-Natal Inland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Limpopo cricketers to Category:Limpopo cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North West cricketers to Category:North West cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northerns cricketers to Category:Northerns cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rhodesia cricketers to Category:Rhodesia cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Western Districts cricketers to Category:South Western Districts cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Western Province cricketers to Category:Western Province cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Basnahira cricketers to Category:Basnahira cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Basnahira North cricketers to Category:Basnahira North cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Basnahira South cricketers to Category:Basnahira South cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kandurata cricketers to Category:Kandurata cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North Central Province cricketers to Category:North Central Province cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Ruhuna cricketers to Category:Ruhuna cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Uva cricketers to Category:Uva cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Wayamba cricketers to Category:Wayamba cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Centrals cricketers to Category:Centrals cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Manicaland cricketers to Category:Manicaland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Mashonaland cricketers to Category:Mashonaland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Masvingo cricketers to Category:Masvingo cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Matabeleland cricketers to Category:Matabeleland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Midlands cricketers to Category:Midlands cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northerns cricketers to Category:Northerns cricket team (Zimbabwe) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Abbottabad cricketers to Category:Abbottabad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Bahawalpur cricketers to Category:Bahawalpur cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Baluchistan cricketers to Category:Baluchistan cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Central Zone (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:Central Zone cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Dacca cricketers to Category:Dacca cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:East Pakistan cricketers to Category:East Pakistan cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:East Zone (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:East Zone cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Faisalabad cricketers to Category:Faisalabad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Federal Areas cricketers to Category:Federal Areas cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Gujranwala cricketers to Category:Gujranwala cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hyderabad (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:Hyderabad cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Islamabad cricketers to Category:Islamabad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kalat cricketers to Category:Kalat cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Karachi cricketers to Category:Karachi cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Khairpur cricketers to Category:Khairpur cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Lahore cricketers to Category:Lahore cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Multan cricketers to Category:Multan cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North Zone (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:North Zone cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Peshawar cricketers to Category:Peshawar cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Punjab (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:Punjab cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Quetta cricketers to Category:Quetta cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rawalpindi cricketers to Category:Rawalpindi cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sargodha cricketers to Category:Sargodha cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sialkot cricketers to Category:Sialkot cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sindh cricketers to Category:Sindh cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Zone (Pakistan) cricketers to Category:South Zone cricket team (Pakistan) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sukkur cricketers to Category:Sukkur cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Barisal Division cricketers to Category:Barisal Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Chittagong Division cricketers to Category:Chittagong Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Dhaka Division cricketers to Category:Dhaka Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Khulna Division cricketers to Category:Khulna Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rajshahi Division cricketers to Category:Rajshahi Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rangpur Division cricketers to Category:Rangpur Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sylhet Division cricketers to Category:Sylhet Division cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Assam cricketers to Category:Assam cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Baroda cricketers to Category:Baroda cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Bengal cricketers to Category:Bengal cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Central India cricketers to Category:Central India cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Central Zone cricketers to Category:Central Zone cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Delhi cricketers to Category:Delhi cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:East Zone cricketers to Category:East Zone cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Eastern Punjab cricketers to Category:Eastern Punjab cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Europeans cricketers to Category:Europeans cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Goa cricketers to Category:Goa cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Gujarat cricketers to Category:Gujarat cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Gwalior cricketers to Category:Gwalior cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Haryana cricketers to Category:Haryana cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Himachal Pradesh cricketers to Category:Himachal Pradesh cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Andhra Pradesh cricketers to Category:Andhra Pradesh cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hindus cricketers to Category:Hindus cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Holkar cricketers to Category:Holkar cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hyderabad cricketers to Category:Hyderabad cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Jammu and Kashmir cricketers to Category:Jammu and Kashmir cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Jharkhand cricketers to Category:Jharkhand cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Karnataka cricketers to Category:Karnataka cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kerala cricketers to Category:Kerala cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Madhya Bharat cricketers to Category:Madhya Bharat cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Madhya Pradesh cricketers to Category:Madhya Pradesh cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Maharashtra cricketers to Category:Maharashtra cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Mumbai cricketers to Category:Mumbai cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Muslims cricketers to Category:Muslims cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Nagaland cricketers to Category:Nagaland cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Nawanagar cricketers to Category:Nawanagar cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:North Zone cricketers to Category:North Zone cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northern India cricketers to Category:Northern India cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northern Punjab cricketers to Category:Northern Punjab cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Odisha cricketers to Category:Odisha cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Parsees cricketers to Category:Parsees cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Patiala cricketers to Category: cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Punjab (India) cricketers to Category:Punjab cricket team (India) players
 * Propose renaming Category:Rajasthan cricketers to Category:Rajasthan cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Saurashtra cricketers to Category:Saurashtra cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:South Zone cricketers to Category:South Zone cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Southern Punjab cricketers to Category:Southern Punjab cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Tamil Nadu cricketers to Category:Tamil Nadu cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Travancore-Cochin cricketers to Category:Travancore-Cochin cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Tripura cricketers to Category:Tripura cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:United Provinces cricketers to Category:United Provinces cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Uttar Pradesh cricketers to Category:Uttar Pradesh cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Uttarakhand cricketers to Category:Uttarakhand cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Vidarbha cricketers to Category:Vidarbha cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:West Zone cricketers to Category:West Zone cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Western India cricketers to Category:Western India cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Bedfordshire cricketers to Category:Bedfordshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Berkshire cricketers to Category:Berkshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Brighton cricketers to Category:Brighton Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Buckinghamshire cricketers to Category:Buckinghamshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Cambridgeshire cricketers to Category:Cambridgeshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Carmarthenshire cricketers to Category:Carmarthenshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Cheshire cricketers to Category:Cheshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Cornwall cricketers to Category:Cornwall County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Cumberland cricketers to Category:Cumberland County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Denbighshire cricketers to Category:Denbighshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Derbyshire cricketers to Category:Derbyshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Devon cricketers to Category:Devon County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Dorset cricketers to Category:Dorset County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Durham cricketers to Category:Durham County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:East of England cricketers to Category:East of England cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Epsom cricketers to Category:Epsom Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Essex cricketers to Category:Essex County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Glamorgan cricketers to Category:Glamorgan County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Gloucestershire cricketers to Category:Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hambledon cricketers to Category:Hambledon Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Hampshire cricketers to Category:Hampshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Herefordshire cricketers to Category:Herefordshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Huntingdonshire cricketers to Category:Huntingdonshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Kent cricketers to Category:Kent County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Lancashire cricketers to Category:Lancashire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Leicestershire cricketers to Category:Leicestershire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Lincolnshire cricketers to Category:Lincolnshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Middlesex cricketers to Category:Middlesex County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Monmouthshire cricketers to Category:Monmouthshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Norfolk cricketers to Category:Norfolk County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northamptonshire cricketers to Category:Northamptonshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Northumberland cricketers to Category:Northumberland County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Nottinghamshire cricketers to Category:Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Oxfordshire cricketers to Category:Oxfordshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Petworth cricketers to Category:Petworth Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Shropshire cricketers to Category:Shropshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Somerset cricketers to Category:Somerset County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Southgate cricketers to Category:Southgate Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Staffordshire cricketers to Category:Staffordshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Suffolk cricketers to Category:Suffolk County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Surrey cricketers to Category:Surrey County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Sussex cricketers to Category:Sussex County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Warwickshire cricketers to Category:Warwickshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:West of England cricketers to Category:West of England cricket team players
 * Propose renaming Category:Wiltshire cricketers to Category:Wiltshire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Worcestershire cricketers to Category:Worcestershire County Cricket Club players
 * Propose renaming Category:Yorkshire cricketers to Category:Yorkshire County Cricket Club players


 * Nominator's rationale: Most of the contents of Category:Cricketers by team have the problem that the common team names align with a specific area as well, leading to confusion of the difference between, say, Category:Cricketers from Queensland and Category:Queensland cricketers. The proposed change will clearly delineate the separate team and geography concepts, and prevent confusion and ambiguity. In almost all circumstances, players are not limited to their home area team (e.g. a cricketer from Lancashire can play for any other county). In all cases I have used the main article title for the relevant club. I have not included any categories where an obvious team name is present (e.g. Category:Faisalabad Wolves cricketers‎) as these have no potential for confusion. SFB 17:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. If it ain't broke, don't fix it per User:AssociateAffiliate above. Furthermore, the proposal misses a key point. Patrons in the earliest known centres of cricket such as Sussex, Kent, Surrey, Hampshire, Berkshire, Essex and Middlesex used to promote first-class county teams before any formal club was ever instituted. The name of the county team sponsored by the Hambledon Club in the 1770s was Hampshire, same as the one sponsored by Hampshire County Cricket Club in the 2010s. When we set up these categories several years ago, we decided to incorporate, for example, all Hampshire first-class players in Category:Hampshire cricketers. There is no difference in status between John Small and Malcolm Marshall: they both played first-class cricket for a team known as Hampshire which represented the traditional county of Hampshire. The scenario is repeated across several English counties and I have no doubt it is equally applicable to Australian states, West Indian islands and so on. The proposal has not been thought through and it just doesn't stand up against the sound reasoning used by WP:CRIC members when the categories were originally created. Jack | talk page 17:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Why "Queensland Cricket" rather than "Queensland cricket team" (the format for the other Australian teams). I understand the perceived need to disambiguate, but I'm not sure that the name chosen is the best: it may be absolutely clear, but it is also very clunky, and not seen in any other category tree. Why not the more conventional format "Category:Wiltshire County Cricket Club players" or "Category:Haryana cricket team players"?  Harrias  talk 10:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That was chosen due to the main article Queensland Cricket. I'm happy to support renaming these as "X players", rather than "players of x" as that is probably a better format. I'm not as married to the proposed names as I am to the idea that the form "Foo cricketers" is easily mistaken for "cricketers from Foo". SFB 13:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Queensland Cricket is the parent assocation, not the team, Queensland cricket team is the team.  Harrias  talk 13:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have now fixed this and amended all the nominations to the "x players" form. Do you find the form "Queensland cricket team players" unintuitive? SFB 14:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Wholly unnecessary. PinchHittingLeggy (talk) 11:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What he said. I'm someone who edits a lot of cricket articles and makes use of (and creates) these categories, and I don't think that a problem exists. Any confusion between "Queensland cricketers" and "Cricketers from Queensland" (and the like) has generally been short-lived and quickly corrected, either by the editor concerned or by someone from WP:CRIC. The alternatives "Players for xxx cricket team" or "xxxx cricket team players" are very unwieldy and unintuitive, and it's a big change for a problem that doesn't really exist.  IgnorantArmies  11:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The tree currently is being misused in many ways because of this naming issue, particularly in being parented by "sportspeople from x" categories (e.g. - it shouldn't be, because players for an area's team are necessarily from that area). Such problems are neither quickly fixed nor short-lived (5+ years and counting for Haryana). SFB 13:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's a problem we're going to run into no matter what the category tree is called, as the distinction you've mentioned above isn't immediately intuitive to new/inexperienced users. I think we really just have to deal with those edits as they appear – maybe something hidden in the code would help, or explicitly stating the purpose of the category (e.g. here).  IgnorantArmies  14:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Would it make more sense to reword the club categories to "Hampshire cricket team" instead? Also, would you oppose the move if I excluded the English and Australian teams (where historical subtleties exist)? The biggest problem lies in categories like Category:Jamaica cricketers and Category:Jamaican cricketers. SFB 19:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the rationale from Jack. If new editors don't understand the subtleness of the categories, they can always be signposted to WT:CRIC for further help.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I'm not at all convinced there's a real problem here and agree with User:AssociateAffiliate's succinct analysis. Johnlp (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Players are likely to live near where there team is based, but that will often not be where they were born. WP "from" categories are purposely slightly fuzzy.  A person may play for Hampshire, but have moved there from (say) Cornwall (a minor county for cricket).  It is thus legitiamte to categoise him both as from Cornwall and from Hampshire, or as from Hampshire but as a Hampshire CCC Player.  Similarly a player from Hampshire may play for Kent.  Unfortunately life is not as simple as nom supposes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think if anything, that backs up the nominator's point, rather than opposes it! Harrias talk 16:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reasons as Jack, above. A further example: Category:Gentlemen cricketers and Category:Players cricketers, both wholly intelligible as they are, and in the same format as Category:Hampshire cricketers etc. For birthplace, works nicely. Narky Blert (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's completely irrelevant as they can't be mistaken for "Cricketers from Gentlemen". SFB 19:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Snow stopped play?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 15:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, don't see how this can go any further. Can we close it now? Jack | talk page 16:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


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Category by gender

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Supercentenarians by gender to Category:Supercentenarians
 * Propose merging Category:Human names by gender to Category:Human names
 * Propose merging Category:Surnames by gender to Category:Surnames
 * Propose merging Category:Given names by gender to Category:Given names
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian professional wrestlers by gender to Category:Canadian professional wrestlers
 * Propose merging Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane by gender to Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane
 * Propose merging Category:Sportspeople from Queensland by gender to Category:Sportspeople from Queensland
 * Propose merging Category:Professional wrestlers by gender to Category:Professional wrestlers
 * Propose merging Category:Deities by gender to Category:Deities
 * Propose merging Category:Writers by gender to Category:Writers


 * Nominator's rationale: These are needlessly small pure-navigation categories. No reason why the parents cannot happily contain the two men/women categories directly with the rest of the content. Note that where a topic covers more than just the men/women gender binary, the navigational grouping is more useful (e.g. the main parent Category:People by gender). SFB 17:00, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge these are not needed. Interestingly, no Slavic surnames are in the "surnames by gender" as often the wife of a man named '-ov' is '-ova' hence, to English constructs, different surnames. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Meaford, Staffordshire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Meaford, Staffordshire to Category:People from Stafford (district)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small hamlet with just 2 entries. ...William 16:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Especially as the two historical subjects are there through their birth at the family's Meaford Hall, Staffordshire. Highly unlikely that this will expand further to give a navigational benefit. SFB 16:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Richard Colburn

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs written by richard colburn


 * Nominator's rationale: Category contains one redirect. No navigational use. Richhoncho (talk) 14:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support No navigational benefit here. SFB 16:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Foundry Type Foundries

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Letterpress font foundries (implementing obvious capitalization and pluralization fixes). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Foundry Type Foundries to Category:Letterpress Font Foundry
 * Nominator's rationale: We have a Category:Type foundries which does not specify whether it is a digital foundry or letter-press foundry. We have Category:Foundry Type Foundries which specifies that it not include digital/virtual foundries thus being the exact same as Category:Cold Type Foundries.  The title of both of these categories does not make a lot of sense, I believe the accurate definition for a non-digital font foundry would be a letterpress font foundry that makes letterpress type characters for a printing press.  David Condrey   log talk  01:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename to Something I can't speak as to whether "Letterpress" is an appropriate adjective here, but the current name isn't proper English. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:31, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support as long as the capitalisation is corrected, this isn't a proper name. The current type is not fit for purpose as it is not a real concept nor does it have any plain English meaning. SFB 16:48, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Font Bureau typefaces

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2015 JAN 15 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting font bureau typefaces


 * Nominator's rationale: Category merged with article Font_Bureau. David Condrey   log talk  01:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Ifremeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ifremeria


 * Nominator's rationale: Extreme case of WP:SMALLCAT: a genus with only a single described species (source), thus requiring multiple extraneous steps to navigate to the article. Adequately categorized in Category:Provannidae --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Doesn't provide any navigational benefit. Should the genus expand significantly, I've no opposition to recreation. SFB 16:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Alviniconcha
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting alviniconcha


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT, there are only 6 described species in the genus Alviniconcha (until recently only a single described species) and all are currently redirects to the genus article, per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods. I might further add that every taxonomic group need not warrant a unique category. --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Doesn't provide any navigational benefit. Should the genus expand significantly, I've no opposition to recreation. SFB 16:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Left-wing parties in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Proposed deletion: Category:Left-wing parties in Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: This category only contains one subcategory and no pages. It's redundant and serves no useful purpose. Charles Essie (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is part of Category:Left-wing parties; I have just put Category:Socialist parties (which is much better populated) within that one. After that, I agree that the nominated category is not needed while it only contains Category:Socialist parties in Algeria. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete our article Left-wing politics which describes left-wing ideology mentions secularism and a rejection of nationalism as major components; no reliable sources show these to be the views of any of the parties categorized in this. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Unverified supercentenarians
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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. After the bot works, someone should check to cleanup any articles that are in another subcategory. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting unverified supercentenarians


 * Propose deleting unverified american supercentenarians


 * Propose deleting unverified irish supercentenarians


 * Propose deleting verified supercentenarians


 * Propose deleting verified american supercentenarians


 * Propose deleting verified english supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: I'm adding in verified supercentenarians because this is not a useful distinction. This is basically WP:Cherrypicking where editors are categorizing based on some sources (namely www.recordholders.org which is NOT a reliable source). The categories really should be Category:Supercentenarians verified by X (which I presume to be the Gerontology Research Group) based on the creator of these categories. As to unverified, if a person isn't verified, then that's a WP:FRINGE theory that the person lived to be at least 110 years old and why should they be included here at all? We wouldn't have a category of "People who claim to be Doctors but this is unverified", those would just be removed as unverified claims. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge If the subjects are defined as supercentenarians without significant controversy then that is reasonable enough to warrant inclusion (our usual criteria for any category). Others should be excluded. Questions of whose verification merits being designated as so is another issue. Can you also include the 4 American, Irish and English national subcategories? The same logic applies. SFB 16:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Included all of the subcategories (2 within each one). Note that the parent category Category:Centenarians does not have this distinction. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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