Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 17



Category:Ships involved in the Dunkirk evacuation

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify; as appropriate, ships may be added to Category:Little ships of Dunkirk. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Ships involved in the Dunkirk evacuation to article List of vessels involved in the Dunkirk evacuation
 * Nominator's rationale: Categorizing ships by military operations could lead to some ship articles being in many categories. This is better covered by a list - advantages include the ability to include ships that we don't (yet) have an article about and consistency with pages like List of Allied vessels involved in Operation Neptune. For info: an example of a previous similar discussion is Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_February_9 DexDor (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge performer by performance. Listifying is fine with me. Changed my !vote to selective merge to as appropriate - this would capture the ships which didn't normally perform these sorts of military duties but were pressed into service, and the Little ships of Dunkirk seems to be the defining linkage. The allies had many warships involved, and their involvement in this particular operation, or any other operation during the war, is not really defining of that ship; but the smaller non-military vessels you could make a case for. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Listify. This is the sort of thing that is ideal for a list, but for a category, not quite so much. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep . The comparison with Operation Neptune is inappropriate. Neptune (the Normandy Landings) used military (or naval) ships, whereas one of the defining factors of Dunkirk was the involvement of so many privately-owned vessels, including small craft. Many of those vessels are notable solely for their use at Dunkirk.  Without that single operation, we simply wouldn't have articles on Aberdonia, Tamzine, Sundowner, or Seymour Castle. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:16, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Category:Little ships of Dunkirk (changing my !vote), which is the the more appropriate category for the small vessels, now that I know it exists. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. There's also Category:Little ships of Dunkirk (one of the problems with odd categories that don't form part of a larger scheme is that we get overlaps like this). DexDor (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Being involved in an evacuation is not notable for a given ship.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The evidence is that you are wrong. See the 4 articles listed above, and RNLB Guide of Dunkirk (ON 826). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Selective merge of overlaps and listify the rest. This is an event of such moment that the normal rule on Performance categories should not apply, especially since the ships are unlikely to have made many other performances.  The contrast is with actors, broadcasters etc who make dozens of performances.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * keep at least 3 of the non-small ships were sunk while in service for this military operation. This is the correct category for them to remain in as it is for the others also.  Hmains (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Qualified Keep. A moderate preference for category v list.  However I am opposed to a merger into Category:Little ships of Dunkirk which has a specific meaning - see lead para of Little ships of Dunkirk (and indeed much of that article's content concerns ships that were not "Dunkirk Little Ships", which needs fixing).  Davidships (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Snow College Badgers football coaches

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Snow College Badgers football coaches to Category:Snow Badgers football coaches
 * Nominator's rationale: It is the standard naming convention by all college sports to drop "College" and "University" from their athletics nicknames. There is an occasional one-off exception, such as Boston College Eagles or Boston University Terriers, but 99% of college sports categories follow the proposed naming convention. The only reason this had to be brought to a formal CfD is because the renaming was opposed by the category's creator at speedy CfR. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support renaming per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:05, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Rikster2 (talk) 22:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Snow College athletics consistently self-references as "Snow College Badgers." Their preferred naming convention is an infrequent exception of the same type already identified for other athletic departments in both the original speedy CfR and directly above. This is borne out with an exact string search of their official athletics site on Google:
 * site:snowbadgers.com "snow college badgers"
 * About 11,500 results
 * site:snowbadgers.com "snow badgers"
 * About 1,390 results
 * site:snowbadgers.com "snow college lady badgers"
 * About 30 results
 * site:snowbadgers.com "snow lady badgers"
 * About 6 results UW Dawgs (talk) 22:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment it doesn't look to me like they self identify as "Snow College" consistently. Look at this recent basketball write-up.  The team is consistently referred to as "Snow," as opposed to "Snow College" or SC.  Look at any Boston College, College of Charleston or Boston University sports article.  Those schools are literally never referred to without "college" or "university."  If they need to abbreviate, they use BC, CofC or BU.  Why wouldn't Snow use "SC" if they are adamant that it is "Snow College?" Rikster2 (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Query: Regardless of what the college uses, what's the WP:COMMONNAME here? How are they referred to by ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.? - The Bushranger One ping only 04:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The school is a junior college, which doesn't generally get coverage on major sports sites. Rikster2 (talk) 03:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose The common name claims are false. For example, with BYU, they are normally referred to as the "BYU Cougars". It is not a universal practice to drop the term "College" from the name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment; BYU is one of a minority of college sports teams along with the Boston College and Boston University examples given above, where the "University" or "College" is retained in the team's "short name", in this case in acronym form; see Category:College sports teams in the United States by team. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Another example is UCLA. There is clearly enough counter examples to show that we can't just assume Snow College will follow in the example of other places.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Who is assuming anything when the school itself refers to itself as "Snow" in their own athletic communications (see my link above). Even to the point where the article says "the Snow men did such and such," which sounds ridiculous.  It is clearly different when a school uses an abbreviation with U in it vs. spelling out "College" or "University" Rikster2 (talk) 02:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment re story The cited story is without a Byline (AP, Snow College, Athletic Dept, Student, or other). It is nearly verbatim with the version found at the Daily Herald, also without a Byline/Attribution.  So I challenge the blanket assertion of "own athletic communications."  Regardless, rather than pointing to instances of (valid) counter examples, I point you to the athletic's website in total and the associated Google search results which demonstrate Snow College's clear preference by an order of magnitude of difference (11,500 vs 1,390 results). UW Dawgs (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It was posted on their athletic site, so it appears like they condone/don't mind the use. At a minimum they don't seem particularly "brand sensitive" about it.  And your searches of "Snow Badgers" don't prove a lot when you have a representative example that just says "Snow" a ton of times (without "College" or "Badgers" after it) - search terms just aren't going to pick that up.  At the end of the day, though, I really don't care and won't argue this anymore.  It is a category with two people in it for a podunk JC that gets almost no indepedent coverage - not even sure the category is needed.  It isn't worth spending any more debate time to me. Rikster2 (talk) 21:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Snow (College)'s branding guide does not speak of how to refer to the school (i.e. forbidding use of just "Snow"), but it does, in all instances that I noticed, refer to itself as "Snow College" and never "Snow". — X96lee15 (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This is pretty definitive, including "The institutional logo should not be altered or modified and should be used in its entirety. Snow without College should only be used with permission from the Snow College Brand Manager." There are 185 references to "Snow College" in their brand guide, vs 13 to "Snow *" with non-self referential context such as "The Snow 'S'" and "Badger Blue and Snow Orange." There are 4 references to "Snow College Badger" and none to "Snow Badger." UW Dawgs (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Associated categories including (existing) Category:Snow Badgers football players and (brand new) Category:Snow Badgers football should be inline with this outcome. UW Dawgs (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Lessepsian migrants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lessepsian migrants


 * Nominator's rationale: That some members of a particular species (e.g. Rainbow sardine or Rock goby) have travelled through the Suez Canal is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the species. Categorizing species articles in this way also goes against the inclusion criteria of the parent category (Category:Introduced species).  List of Lessepsian migrants should be upmerged to Category:Introduced species.  For info: A related CFD discission is Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_February_6. DexDor (talk) 19:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This is not defining for the specifies involved. As a broader comment, I think we have to consider why we have categorized some animals for literally all the countries they are found in, including San Marino and Gibraltar. At times the number of categories some animal articles are included in borders on the ludicrous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Czech cosmonauts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech cosmonauts to Category:Czechoslovak cosmonauts
 * Nominator's rationale: Since the "Czech" part of this category refers to the nationality and not the ethnicity, it would be more accurately placed at "Czechoslovak", much as the Russian people are in the "Soviet" category, as referred to the nation at the time of the individuals being cosmonauts. C679 11:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Use Category: Czechoslovakian cosmonauts -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Why? The demonym is Czechoslovak. C679 10:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Czechoslovakian is the demonym and an adjective form  -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 23:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not conclusive, particularly as Merriam-Webster uses both forms. C679 12:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support as nominated, oppose "Czechoslovakian". As both of these cosmonauts' careers during the period in which the country was the combined Czechoslovakia, "Czechoslovak" is the correct term to use here, and as such I've changed the parent category from Category:Czech people by occupation to Category:Czechoslovak people by occupation - and, as the category tree in question uses "Czechoslovak" exclusively, "Czechoslovakian" is incorrect. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Whether "Czechoslovak" or "Czechoslovakian" is a better term, should be considered with a discussion of the whole tree, since we have such categories as Category:Czechoslovak writers and many others that use that term. We should either leave them all that way or change them all, not one at a time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Interim and Acting Presidents of Israel

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting interim and acting presidents of israel


 * Nominator's rationale: According to Israeli law, the Speaker of the Knesset acts automatically as interim or acting president when the presidency is vacant or the president is abroad. When the speaker is abroad while being acting president one of the deputies acts as president. basically this is part of the speaker's job definition, and has been practiced several times (Katsav fiasco was long so it was noticable). No real category here. DGtal (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a clear and defined position, just a result of other positions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Cold-water aquarium fish

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cold-water aquarium fish


 * Nominator's rationale: That some members of a species have been kept in an aquarium is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the species (e.g. see CFD for pets). Some of the articles (e.g. Stickleback) make no mention of aquariums). Could upmerge to Category:Cold water fish, but I'm not sure that these belong in that category (which is under Category:Edible fish).  For info: The Coldwater fish article contains much more comprehensive lists. DexDor (talk) 06:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * delete clearly not defining of the species, unless you're in an aquarium store.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a defining characteristic of the fish.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:RSPB Medallists

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify, then delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rspb medallists


 * Nominator's rationale: Having received this medal is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of its recipients (see WP:OC). The articles in this category are in more appropriate categories (e.g. Category:British ornithologists).  For info: There is a partial list at Royal Society for the Protection_of_Birds.  For info: An example of a previous similar CFD is Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_24. DexDor (talk) 06:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Listify and delete per nom and per WP:OC. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seems more than just a club award, more significant than usual.   Montanabw (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Within the field of ornithology, this is an extremely defining award. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of the articles in this category don't mention the award in the lead and some (e.g. John_Gummer) don't mention it in the text at all. This is not an ornithology-specific encyclopedia and for people like David Attenborough and Charles this is just one of many awards they've received. Additionally, (unlike things like Nobel prizes) some of the recipients of the award don't (yet) have an article so the category does not create a complete list (i.e. the list forms a better list than the category). DexDor (talk) 06:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "This is not an ornithology-specific encyclopedia", true, but it's also WP:NOTPAPER which is something oft forgotten. If the articles don't mention the award in the text, then that needs to be fixed in the articles, not by removing the category. "The list forms a better list than the category" is something I don't recall seeing before and is also something I'm not sure is a reasonable argument as to why the category shouldn't be kept - "the category doesn't form a complete list", er, so? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete The question is, is this award defining to recipients. In the case of many recipients the answer clearly is "no". If we have articles that make no mention of the person receiving it, than we should scrap the category. Awards categories are supposed to be limited to a very few. When some articles literally have over 50 awards cats places on them, we need to make major chances.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * LIstify then delete -- as we nomrlaly do for award categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Musicial groups from Shizuoka Prefecture

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Musicial groups from Shizuoka Prefecture to Category:Musical groups from Shizuoka Prefecture
 * Nominator's rationale: spelling mistake; asked in my user talk page as a page move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Musicians from Okinawa

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Musicians from Okinawa to Category:Musicians from Okinawa Prefecture
 * Nominator's rationale: asked in my user talk page as a page move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Musical groups from Okinawa

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Musical groups from Okinawa to Category:Musical groups from Okinawa Prefecture
 * Nominator's rationale: asked in my user talk page as a page move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename we use the longer name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Medal of Honor Recipients from Virginia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medal of honor recipients from virginia

There is no other by-state subcat of Category:Recipients of the Medal of Honor. A similar category for California was deleted at CFD 2012 January 9. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:22, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: as an irrelevant intersection per WP:OC. The award has nothing to with a person's state.


 * Delete The intersection of state and award is not warrented in this case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Archivists Roundtable of Metropolitan New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting members of the archivists roundtable of metropolitan new york

The organisation gets 23 hits on Google Books. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: The organisation does exist (Archivists Roundtable of Metropolitan New York does not exist, but see http://www.nycarchivists.org/), but I see no evidence that membership of it is a WP:DEFINING characteristic of its members.


 * Delete and possibly listify. In almost no case should we have a members cat for an organization for which we lack an article. However, the vast majority of organizations that have articles do not merit membership cats either. Membership in this organization is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * On further investigation, we do not want to listify at all. I am not even convinced either of the two people who are in this category are notable, but even if they are, I see no reason to create a list for this unnotable group.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Indian pure aristocracy
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting indian pure aristocracy


 * Nominator's rationale: I can't figure out what this category is for, or why it includes the word "pure", which is not mentioned in the head article Khukhrain. Unless someone can clarify the purpose and scope of this unparented category, it should be deleted.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * delete per nom.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Either misnamed or some other unjustified inclusion criteria is going on here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign Members of the Cambridge Astronomical Society
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting foreign members of the cambridge astronomical society

We have no article or part article on the Cambridge Astronomical Society, which appears to get only a few hits in other articles such as Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge, which mentions a Cambridge University Astronomical Society (CUAS) and Cambridge Astronomical Association (CAA).
 * Nominator's rationale: Not WP:DEFINING.
 * I don't see any reason to assume that there is anything defining about being a foreign member of an organisation whose name is unclear and whose non-foreign members are not categorised. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This is clearly not notable. The one article in the category is on someone who looks to be at best marginally notable, but the article is plagued by lots of unneeded detail. It also seems odd we have birth years for her parents but not her.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Chiropractors who are Olympians
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy merge, since the creator supports merger. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:27, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Chiropractors who are Olympians to Category:Chiropractors
 * Nominator's rationale: Irrelevant intersection. I can guess that being involved in high-level sports might stimulate an interest in repairing bodies, but it could also stimulate an interest in many other things.  There is no Category:Olympic competitors by occupation, no Category:Olympic competitors who are physicians, etc.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, point taken. Go ahead and remove it. Д-р<sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex;"> СДжП,ДС


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Category:British India civil servants
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:British India civil servants and Category:Indian Civil Service officers to Category:Indian Civil Service (British India) officers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British India civil servants to Category:Indian Civil Service officers
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category, so merge and redirect. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:05, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

For clarity, the target category should also be renamed to match the head article: Category:Indian Civil Service (British India) officers. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose As I understand it, this is not a duplication. "British India" refers to the time when the UK had political control of India, while "Indian" refers to the time period after independence. So, it is akin to "Victorian British civil servants" and "21st century British civil servants". I also think that "civil servants" is broader than "Civil Service officers" as not everyone who works as a civil servant is an officer. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 15:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply. did you look at Category:Indian Civil Service officers? Its head article is Indian Civil Service (British India), which explicitly relates to the era of British rule. The civil service of independent India is at Civil Services of India.
 * No, I didn't look at the article, Brown HairedGirl. I support your rename.  Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 01:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge The target refers to an organization that ceased to exist in 1947.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Prisoners of conscience in Azerbaijan
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Prisoners of conscience in Azerbaijan to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Azerbaijan
 * Nominator's rationale: Prisoner of conscience is a POV term, which per WP:LABEL and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV should be used only if attributed. We therefore had a Category:Amnesty International prisoners of conscience, but not an unattributed Category:Prisoners of conscience.  There are 2 articles in the category: only one (Rashad Hasanov) is asserted to have been designated by Amnesty International as a PoC, and he is already in Category:Amnesty International prisoners of conscience.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * upmerge per nom, the target is sufficient.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Bronze Age palaces in Israel
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bronze Age palaces in Israel to Category:Bronze Age sites in Israel
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 2 articles for now, and as AFAIK, there aren't many more sites in Israel which could fit this narrow intersection. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I am wary of your suggested name change. The usual approach to geographic categorisation is to follow the current administrative/political map, and avoid combining areas; I can find no other Israel and Palestine categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: There should be quite a few. I was a bit lazy when I made the category, but I'm hunting for a source that gives a nice list. For now I have the additions of Aphek, Hazor, Lachish, and Tel Yarmouth (which currently lacks an article) to those lists. I'm pretty sure Ashkelon could be added as well. Mind you these are only ones specifically referred to as having palaces in the New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy Land-except for Lachish, which I got from Lachish I. This is also only from a cursory glance of this one source and I can't do any in-depth research until Friday... maybe. Also, was I supposed to put keep or rebuttal, or something else? Never done one of these before... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 17 Adar I 5774 16:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply . Thanks v much for that thoughtful response, and for demonstrating that my nomination was based on the inadequacy of my knowledge. Since the nomination was so clearly misplaced, I have struck it out, but I won't close the discussion yet in case any other editors want to add something. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply Quit being so hard on yourself! It's solely a function of my having access to harder to find books in two restricted-access places that makes referencing easier, and as a result of having prior experience with those books as a result of painstakingly searching for little bits of information on a specific site. Difference in access-to-resources is all that's at-play here, and it's not rare for even the best-regarded experts in this area to have a very narrow breadth of knowledge on a number of topics within the discipline. In fact, for this specific topic, after reaching out to colleagues, I only found one measily chapter in a book dealing with this subject, which thankfully expands the list a litte. So we have Tel 'Sera, Tall al-Ajjul (in the Gaza Strip), and possibly Shechem (possibly, thanks to there not being detailed field reports by the excavator). For the nomination, yeah I think it's best to leave it open, yeah. That way there can be recommendations for improvements/rationale for change. In fact, I think it might be best to rename it to Bronze Age palaces in Israel and Palestine, as at least one of the sites is in the Gaza Strip and the source is from 1992 (the presence of the palace hasn't changed, but the political boundaries have). Though that name might cause contention. Any way to frame that doesn't invoke Israel and Palestine? Southern Levant, maybe? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 17 Adar I 5774 19:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply Thanks for your kindness, but I wasn't really being hard on myself.  I was just pleased to find an XFD discussion working at its best!  When I lived in the areas, I wasn't much into archaeology, so my nomination was based on the hope that if evidence existed that I was wrong, someone would provide it.  I was pleased that you did :)
 * keep per Petrie, esp since nom has withdrawn.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Intergovernmental Universities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Universities created by intergovernmental organizations – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Intergovernmental Universities to Category:
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is for "Institutions of higher education established under international law, by intergovernmental organisations or by treaty." The current title does not describe the full scope, and is probably misleading in the case of the United Nations University ... but I can't think of a better title.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename: How about "Category:Universities created by Intergovernmental organizations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGtal (talk • contribs) 12:52, 17 February 2014‎


 * Rename per DGtal. I cannot think of a better name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. The European University Institute is not only a university that was created by an intergovernmental organization, it is an intergovernmental organization. According to the article, the Asian Institute of Technology attempted to transition to becoming an intergovernmental organization, but did not ultimately do so. I think the proposed Category:Universities created by intergovernmental organizations is probably a fair one, even though it might not capture the full nature of some of the contents. It is, at least, true for all of the contents. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Cartoonists Club of India
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cartoonists Club of India to Category:Indian cartoonists
 * Nominator's rationale: Appears to be a category for members of the Cartoonists Club of India http://www.cartoonistsclubofindia.com/, which does not have a Wikipedia article. I see no evidence that membership of the club is a WP:DEFINING characteristic of its members. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge Not a significant enough body to categorize by membership. Whether it needs an article is another issue, but it having an article would not justify this categorization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Doctor of Arts Programs in the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting doctor of arts programs in the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: appears to be a misplaced addendum to the head article Doctor of Arts. It contains no articles about Doctor of Arts Programs.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a needed category. We seem to have no articles about such programs themselves.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Imperial Tobacco European brands
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Imperial Tobacco European brands to Category:Imperial Tobacco brands
 * Nominator's rationale: parent category is not big enough to need splitting by continent. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge Not enough to split.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Formerly a J.P. Morgan Company
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting formerly a j.p. morgan company


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:OC. This category is described as being for "companies Financed and/or controlled by entities controlled by J.P. Morgan". How much finance and/or how much control?  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * delete esp since it includes companies financed by Morgan. This could be a long list, and it's not really defining who financed you.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. In addition to the reasons already provided, it's worth noting that even if such a category were warranted this would still not be its correct name under any of our naming conventions for categories. Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I've also been under the impression that we needed to be very careful with "former" categories. In this case, I would hold that Category:JPMorgan Chase would be the way to group any article that had a defining connection with the firm. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete The nature of modern finance means that who finances you is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Islamic religious leaders Mozadded
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting islamic religious leaders mozadded


 * Nominator's rationale: I can't see what this category is supposed to be for. It's only content is the article Islamic religious leaders, which is already in Category:Islamic religious leaders. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete It seems the person who created this may have added some text on people who lack biographies, but it does not make any sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, inappropriate page created by inexperienced editor who may have intended a list; there is no need to convert it as the editor has not provided anything to indicate notability. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:History of Soviet animation
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 * The result of the discussion was: split; will be placed at WP:CFDWM where anyone can take the initiative to do the splitting. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:History of Soviet animation to Category:Soviet animators and Category:Soviet animated films‎ and Category:Soviet animation directors
 * Nominator's rationale: Split. This category is a strange collection of animators, animation directors, and films. The parent Category:History of animation (which I just added) consists of articles about the history, whereas this just seems to replicate the whole of Category:Soviet animation. Rather than combining people and films inj one category, it would be better to use the two existing categories and create a new Category:Soviet animation directors for the directors. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Split per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Pranab Mukherjee
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pranab mukherjee


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Eponymous category for the current President of India, Pranab Mukherjee. Currently contains only 1 article, and I have not been able to identify any more which belong there apart from Mukerjee himself. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. Tito ☸ Dutta 12:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Albums produced by "Weird Al" Yankovic
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums produced by "weird al" yankovic


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. He hasn't produced anything but his own albums, and he is not known primarily as a producer. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete unneeded redundant category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Part of the categorisation scheme at Category:Albums by producer, and therefore an appropriate categorisation. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:53, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment We do not need all schemas when the same person produced and did other things on albums.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


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