Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 7



Category:Recipients of the Médaille Militaire

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at CFD 2014 Feb 18. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Recipients of the Médaille Militaire to Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire
 * Nominator's rationale: The correct name has a lowercase m. The previous CfD Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_August_30 probably did not realize the error in capitalization Werieth (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a non-defining award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * would you like to review your !vote in light of the explanation below? If ou have not chaned your mind, please can you explain why you think that this a non-defining award. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Médaille militaire recipients per similar Category:Légion d'honneur recipients. JPL's comment above that this is a "non-defining award" indicates a complete lack of understanding of just what medal is under discussion here. For instance, let's look at the National Order of the Legion of Honour:
 * "The Order is the highest decoration in France and is divided into five degrees: Chevalier (Knight), Officier (Officer), Commandeur (Commander), Grand Officier (Grand Officer) and Grand Croix (Grand Cross)."
 * Alright, now let's look at Médaille militaire:
 * "An interesting feature of the médaille is that it is also the supreme award for leadership, being awarded to generals and admirals who had been commanders-in-chief. This particular médaille is considered superior even to the grand cross of the Légion d'honneur."
 * ...therefore it's clear that this is, in fact, an extremely defining award. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional drugs

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per criterion C2D. The Bushranger One ping only 01:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose moving Category:Fictional drugs to Category:Fictional medicines and drugs
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistent with List of fictional medicines and drugs. --173.51.221.24 (talk) 08:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting commons category with local link same as on wikidata


 * Nominator's rationale: This Wikipedia category currently contains over 300,000 categories/pages (e.g. Category:1009 and 10), and was presumably created for a good reason, but queries about the purpose and accuracy of the category on its talk page have gone unanswered since October. Why should a Wikipedia category/page be tagged for having a  "a local link that is the same as the one stored in Wikidata" (whatever that means) ?  How does it help Wikipedia readers/editors ?  Note: Many categories/pages in this category are placed there by a template rather than containing a category tag.  Note: This is just one of several categories below Category:Wikidata tracking categories.
 * Note: Due to the size of this category (and hence the disruption if this is deleted then recreated) this CFD shouldn't be closed as delete until a discussion period well in excess of the 7 day minimum. If someone (perhaps User:Multichill) can explain the purpose of this category and whether it is intended to be permanent or temporary then I may withdraw this CFD. Note: Closer integration of (English) Wikipedia with Wikidata may bring many benefits - e.g. it may reduce the attempts by some editors to use the Wikipedia categorization system as a sort of database (e.g. Category:Birds of Ukraine). DexDor (talk) 06:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Read d:Wikidata:Commons category tracking. These categories are needed for a smooth transition to Wikidata. Multichill (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "Transition" implies a move from Wikipedia - is that the intention? Will these categories be deleted when the transition is complete? DexDor (talk) 08:30, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, no point in keeping them when the move is done. I don't expect the move to be completed any time soon. These categories will probably be around for at least another year. Multichill (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful for maintenance. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. While Category:Commons category with local link different than on Wikidata is useful to keep track of categories/pages that need attention, the categories/pages ended up in Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata do not need any further maintenance and hence the purpose is unclear. If this category is deleted, the code of commons category which corresponds to adding categories/pages to this category will also need to be removed.--Quest for Truth (talk) 15:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Always adding a category is done to make life easier. It's also very nice to have the same consistent system in (10) different languages. It makes it easier to cope with this puzzle. Multichill (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The same category helps us with figuring out how many are "good to go" compared to how many still need fixing. Legoktm (talk) 08:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Multichill. Legoktm (talk) 08:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Multichill. --Rezonansowy (talk &bull; contribs) 13:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. No one has explained why we need to track the categories that do not need work. 'Needed' is not really made clear on the metadata page, which basically says these are done. How does knowing the number fixed help?  How is it used?  While constancy across languages may be nice, that does not affect this discussion.  If it is not really needed here then is it really needed anywhere?  So if it goes here, maybe the same should happen on the other language wikis.  What is important are the categories that need work. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I myself, despite having been active at Wikidata until only a few months ago, have no idea what this category is supposed to do. I do not see a problem, however, with leaving a hidden tracking category in articles if it helps a sister project, and I trust Multichill and Legoktm in matters of Wikidata bots. Sᴠᴇɴ Mᴀɴɢᴜᴀʀᴅ   Wha?  06:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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Category:People from Adair, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Adair, Oklahoma to Category:People from Mayes County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 2 entries. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Blair, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Blair, Oklahoma to Category:People from Jackson County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 3 entries. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from East Duke, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from East Duke, Oklahoma to Category:People from Jackson County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 1 entry. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator....William 11:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Eldorado, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Eldorado, Oklahoma to Category:People from Jackson County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 2 entries. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Wilson, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Wilson, Oklahoma to Category:People from Carter County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 1 entry. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Healdton, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Healdton, Oklahoma to Category:People from Carter County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 1 entry. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge There are actually two notable people from Healdton but that still isn't enough for a one county small community....William 17:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Mannford, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mannford, Oklahoma to Category:People from Creek County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 1 entry. Although this is categorized under 3 different counties, the article at Mannford, Oklahoma only has Creek County listed. I don't know why the other county categories were added. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge plus comment per nominator. I removed the categories that didn't belong....William 01:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:People from Geary, Oklahoma

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Geary, Oklahoma to Category:People from Blaine County, Oklahoma
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Small category with just 1 entry. Although Geary is listed as being in both Blaine and Canadian Counties, it appears to be primarily in Blaine. Kennethaw88 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:30, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous consensus that multi county towns get their own category....William 18:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The single entry can easily be placed in both county categories. Geary's population was only 1,280 at the 2010 census, so it is unlikely to expand. - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree this is a better solution than having a single-member category. Kennethaw88 (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose, municipalities that cross multiple counties have their by-city categories kept per WP:CONSENSUS. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is the evidence of that consensus? And what purpose is served by a single-article category with very little prospect of expansion? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It has been my observation of events at CfD that categories of this sort are generally kept. The pupose that is served is by not having people categorised in multiple by-county categories, thus causing confusion. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:2Cellos

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 23:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2cellos


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Head article + subcat + 3 other articles = 5 pages, which is enough to keep. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete All the involved pages are sufficiently linked from the main article itself. There is no need for a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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 * Delete - Lest anyone accuse me again of skullduggery, I created Category:2Cellos members and moved the articles for the members from Category:2Cellos to the new category and parented the new category in Category:2Cellos. Now, if that is deemed abusive editing by anyone (looking at you, Lugnuts) I will happily undo all of the edits and request the new category be speedily deleted. With the new category, there are two articles in the nominated category along with two sub-categories. This in no way requires an eponymous category to house them as the lead article links all of this material. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 05:06, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Moving articles to a subcat is fine. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


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Club Championship Cats

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus on deletion vs. retention, but for now we will rename all to "FOO matches". This is without prejudice to a future nomination of the new categories for deletion based on any rationale. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting atlanta chiefs championships
 * Propose deleting minnesota united fc championships
 * Propose deleting tulsa roughnecks championships
 * Propose deleting chicago sting championships
 * Propose deleting toronto blizzard championships
 * Propose deleting tampa bay rowdies championships
 * Propose deleting los angeles aztecs championships
 * Propose deleting philadelphia atoms championships
 * Propose deleting new york cosmos championships
 * Propose deleting dallas tornado championships
 * Propose deleting rochester lancers championships
 * Propose deleting kansas city spurs championships
 * Propose deleting oakland clippers championships
 * Propose deleting los angeles wolves championships
 * Propose deleting vancouver whitecaps championships
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. All these categories contain Championship matches from a certain year. These categories are unnecessary and I'm pretty sure these are a clear example of WP:NOTDEFINING. – Michael (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Michael (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

However, a series of small categories which cannot be expanded is a disruption to navigation, per WP:SMALLCAT. I tried populating Category:Atlanta Chiefs championships, and brought it ip to 3 articles, which is still on the small side. I could accept a category of that size as part of a series, but don't know at this point whether any of the other categories would reach a minimum of 5 articles. I see that in soccer, the convention is categorise all articles on a clubs matches together, under Category:Association football matches by club (see for example Category:Sunderland A.F.C. matches), rather than just championship matches. These categories may be better renamed to "Foo matches", to broaden their scope. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:20, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 19:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply Notability is a concept relating to articles, and the items listed here are categories.  I see no grounds to claim that the articles in these categories are non-notable, so a !vote based on notability seems to have no basis in policy. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree on that - notability could and should apply across the board. To expand on my initial !vote - these categories serve no purpose, many contain only one article, and there is no precedent at all to have categories of this sort on Wikipedia. Furthermore, they were all created by an editor who had a track record of this kind of editing, and a large number of catrgories he previously created have been deleted/merged. I know that that in itself is not reason to delete, but it certainly makes me question them more. That is what I meant when I said they weren't notable. GiantSnowman 17:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Notability should and does apply to all articles. A category is just a navigational device, an editorial artefact; it is assessed differently. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep all. As far as I can see, a football match has 5 WP:DEFINING characteristics: time+date, location, league or championship, and teams playing. In principle, it seems to me to be right to categorise by all those defining attributes, and these categories capture the last 2 of those 5 attributes.
 * If categories cannot be populated then what purpose do they serve to aid navigation, whether they are part of a series or not? Perhaps those that can be populated (3 articles as an absolute minimum) should be kept, and if they are I agree they should be renamed. GiantSnowman 13:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we are coming to a bit of agreement here, because I agree no point in keeping them all if they are tiny; but a few tiny ones as part of a series can serve a useful purpose. Unfortunately, we don't yet know how much material exists to populate these categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no point in having under-populated categories, even if they are part of a series. That is why you might have (to use your earlier example), but not for every English club that does not merit one (see . GiantSnowman 18:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete without prejudice to re-creation if they will be properly populated. These seem to be single article categories, about the fact that the team appeared in a certain final. That is in the nature of a performance by performer category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Foo matches, like the convention is for football-matches. See for instance Category:American soccer club matches. Mentoz (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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 * Keep and rename to Foo matches, and add any other articles about matches involving Foo. A notable match Foo v Boo should go under 'Foo matches' and 'Boo matches' (defining characteristics) but I'm not sure whether we need to note the winner in the categorisation scheme. Oculi (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Cuca (band)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 23:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cuca (band)


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete - If only the nominator would formulate proper nominations as he has been asked so many times before. He could simply write out a complete nomination and save it as a document, pasting it in as needed for each new nomination. This is a small category with no prospect of expansion that is not required to navigate the contents. The lead article is sufficient. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 05:08, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Sports Night
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sports night


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete - If only the nominator would formulate proper nominations as he has been asked so many times before. He could simply write out a complete nomination and save it as a document, pasting it in as needed for each new nomination. This is a small category with no prospect of expansion that is not required to navigate the contents. The lead article is sufficient. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 05:08, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


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