Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 June 25



Category:Wikipedia:Participants-users of Microsoft Windows operating system

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia


 * Nominator's rationale: An unusual category needs a good definition and this has none. DexDor (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Railway stations serving hospitals in Norway

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Railway stations serving hospitals in Norway, Category:Railway stations serving sports venues in Norway, Category:Railway stations serving campuses in Norway and Category:Railway stations serving football stadiums in the United Kingdom, rather than upmerging since they should already be categorised in specific sub-cats by location. Keep  Category:Railway stations serving harbours and ports in the United Kingdom and Category:Railway stations serving harbours and ports in Ireland. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:47, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving hospitals in Norway to Category:Railway stations in Norway
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving sports venues in Norway to Category:Railway stations in Norway
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving campuses in Norway to Category:Railway stations in Norway
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving football stadiums in the United Kingdom to Category:Railway stations in the United Kingdom
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving harbours and ports in the United Kingdom to Category:Railway stations in the United Kingdom
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations serving harbours and ports in Ireland to Category:Railway stations in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. This is a trial balloon. There is a small collection of categories like this.  I'm not convinced that, for the most part, railway stations are defined by the type of facility they serve.  This potentially violates the spirit of WP:NOTTRAVEL. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * merge "Serving" a hospital is indefinite. Just how close do you have to be? Do they have special facilities for delivering patients to the ER? Why hospitals? I just don't see anything notable in the intersection. Mangoe (talk) 18:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of other examples are for airports, ports, campuses and others. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, pretty much the same considerations apply in the other cases. Mangoe (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * merge (or delete if the stations are already in subcats). See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_25. DexDor (talk) 19:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge of and  to, because the latter is a container cat - it should not have any members other than sub-cats (it does have four members that are articles, but three of those are relevant to the UK as a whole, and one (Manchester station group) is miscategorised). The sub-cats include four "trees" (one each for E, NI, S, W) of increasingly more specific geographical scope, and any stations serving football stadiums, harbours and ports should already be in one of those geographical sub-cats. For example, Bescot Stadium railway station should be in  - and indeed it is. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, given the level of categorization for the UK the UK categories nominated here could just be deleted outright. Mangoe (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would support that as an alternative. Vegaswikian (talk) 16:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, possible rename, unless we also get rid of the tree. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as a defining aspect of the railway stations in question. Sports venues, campuses and hospitals are all facilities which generate a lot of patronage and are often the sole reason for the stations having been built or remaining in use. The point of at least the Norway categories is to place stations which have the campus/hospital/venue as their primary target, rather than a trains station which serve towns which happen to have such a facility in them. This is particularly evident in situations where the stations are named for the hospital/university/venue. All stations are already categorized by line/system/geographically so a merge to a high-level station category would serve no purpose. Arsenikk (talk)  08:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * There may be some railway stations that are built exclusively to serve a specific facility, but many/most railway stations do not have a "primary target"; they are used to reach several/many locations (and use may vary by year, time of day etc). This will never be a comprehensive categorization scheme unless we create categories like "Railway stations serving mixed-use residential/commercial zones". IMO, the costs (e.g. in editor time arguing about whether a particular railway station has a primary target) outweigh the benefits of this categorization scheme. Introducing the name of the station into the equation would further complicate things. DexDor (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * keep the Harbours and Ports categories, as this is a defining, objective and easily verifiable characteristic of those railways stations. Not all railway stations are defined by what they serve, but some are and ports, harbours and airports are examples of this. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't always hold that a station which serves an airport has that as its primary source of custom. For example, Birmingham International railway station (4.5 million passengers in April 2012-March 2013) serves Birmingham International Airport (UK) (9.1 million passengers in 2013) but you just need to hang around the top of the escalators to realise that the majority of passengers who use that station are not heading to the airport but to the National Exhibition Centre on the other side of the tracks. But at Teesside Airport railway station you could probably ask every single passenger for a fifteen-minute personal interview about why they use that station, how often they use the airport, where they're coming from/going to - and still find yourself wondering why the station exists. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge The "serving" criteria are too open to interpretation to be worth while.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Would you say the same thing about the tree? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Stub message boxes and subcategories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Propose renaming: Nominator's rationale: The messages consist of lines rather than boxes. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Stub message boxes to Category:Stub message templates
 * Category:Stub message boxes needing attention‎ to Category:Stub message templates needing attention
 * Category:Stub message boxes using icon parameter‎ to Category:Stub message templates using icon parameter
 * Category:Stub message boxes with documentation subpages‎ to Category:Stub message templates with documentation subpages
 * Category:Stub message boxes without images to Category:Stub message templates without images
 * Oppose Not a good reason to rename. They work perfectly well as they are. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Makes a lot of sense. Current name is misleading. --Mr. Guye (talk) 00:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support These are not boxes. SFB 10:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, since (at least for the human beings who use these categories) these aren't boxes. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


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Template:Asbox

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 * The result of the discussion was: Procedural close - This is a meta template, which is the base template that all other stub templates are using. As such, it does not fall under When not to use this page (which is for content-related stub templates only). Moving a meta template involves a lot more then a simple rename. This requires more attention, therefor referring to WP:RM without prejudice.   09:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

per Requested moves
 * Propose renaming Template:Asbox to Template:Article stub
 * Nominator's rationale: It's a line rather than a box. Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Jazz-rock ensembles

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jazz-rock ensembles to Category:Jazz fusion ensembles
 * Nominator's rationale: Jazz-rock redirects to jazz fusion, so the categories must follow their main articles accordingly. Λeternus (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


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Some Sub-Categories of Category:Automobile transmissions

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge, except for Allison where Category:General Motors transmissions will suffice. These are very small categories providing little or no assistance in navigation, and although there are several larger sibling categories these do not IMHO form "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" which is the exception to WP:SMALLCAT. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Studebaker transmissions with dual upmerge to Category:Automobile transmissions and Category:Studebaker
 * Propose deleting Category:Packard transmissions with dual upmerge to Category:Automobile transmissions and Category:Packard
 * Propose deleting Category:Allison transmissions with dual upmerge to Category:Automobile transmissions and Category:General Motors transmissions
 * Propose deleting Category:Porsche transmissions with dual upmerge to Category:Automobile transmissions and Category:Porsche
 * Nominator's rationale: These are 1 and 2 article categories. Two are with defunct manufacturers so there isn't room for growth; the other two can be recreated later if the article count grows. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified the category creator and this discussion has been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose as part of an established series. Vegaswikian (talk) 15:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If we wanted to complete the set so that every name-brand transmission article had a "Category:Foo automaker transmissions" to place it in, we would need to create one-article categories for Hotchkiss, Borg-Warner, Automotive Products, Rover, Mitsubishi, Isuzu, and Alfa Romeo. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your point being? Are you saying that those companies had only one notable transmission?  In any case, these are a part of a series.  Yes, more small categories can be added, but being part of a series is a strong reason to keep.  If you want to shoot small categories on sight, you have a lot of work in front of you. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:10, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The linked articles are the only ones that currently exist for each company. (Mitsubishi definitely has others that are notable; the other companies probably not.) Thank you for giving feedback on my nomination. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


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