Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 11



Category:Former Army of the Pharaohs members

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:09, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Former Army of the Pharaohs members to Category:Army of the Pharaohs members
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. There is no categorization scheme for former members of bands, nor do I believe there is a need for one. Upmerge to parent. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I think it's working good as one, as it differentiates it and makes it more clearer, so as a subcategory I think it'll be alright. Also this is a group that has been through and is is going to go through signifact changes over time as more members will leave and be added to the group. TwinTurbo (talk) 16:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * At some point, though, every member will be a former member. The distinction would be better made in a list format, such as List of Army of the Pharaohs members, much like Category:Menudo members and List of Menudo members. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 05:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge We almost never do former categories, definitely not for music groups.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge -- WE do not like present'former splits. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians cheering up

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians cheering up


 * Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians giving thanks
 * Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians receiving thanks
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U. DexDor (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep &mdash; I created these three categories to underpin three userboxes: one userbox to rally together those Wikipedians who, like me, may think we should all cheer up some, and two userboxes to link to the 'Thanks' logs of those Wikipedians who wish to display the thanks they've given or received. It was all done in the spirit of the Kindness Campaign, and to counter-balance the reputation of "famed grumpiness" highlighted in an article about Wikipedia in The Economist on 1-7 March 2014. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to comment. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment If these are just categories that contain userboxes, can they be grouped together? I don't think three separate categories is really necessary. Liz  Read! Talk! 19:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Violates WP:USERCAT in that it has an arbitrary grouping of people simply based on using a userbox. "Userboxes should not automatically include categories by default." - These categories seemingly violate that directly.  This has absolutely no encyclopedic benefit to the encyclopedia.  User categories are to be used for collaboration, and categorizing users in these groups can not possibly foster collaboration for improving the encyclopedia. VegaDark (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per vegadark. additionally, this is a somewhat trivial aspect of editing, and will be vastly unused and not reflect the actual thanking patterns (few who thank will use the ubx). the userboxes are more than adequate, if anyone wants to acknowledge the thanking function. I appreciate the effort to create civility, of course, i just agree w/ vega that it also gets in the way of the actual structure here.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Violates the guidelines on usercats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Nationalist parties in Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Proposed renaming Category:Nationalist parties in Russia to Category:Russian nationalist political parties
 * Nominator's rationale: There are Russian nationalist political parties in other countries (like Belarus and Ukraine), just like there are Arab nationalist political parties in many countries, and the current title dosn't specify that this category is specifically meant for "Russian nationalist political parties", "Nationalist parties" could refer Chechen or Tatar nationalist parties. Charles Essie (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Renaming is not required. There are difference between "Russian [ethnic] nationalist organisations" (that ruwiki category is subcategory of "Russian [ethnic] nationalism") and "Nationalistic organisations in Russia" (other ruwiki category is subcategory of "Nationalism in Russia"). We need both categories. --TarzanASG (talk) 11:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But there are no such separate categories in English Wikipedia, and the current title dosn't acknowledge the existence of Russian nationalist parties in some of the former Soviet republics (such as Belarus and Ukraine). Charles Essie (talk) 20:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, they are. We need both categories here: Nationalisms of Spain and Spanish nationalism, Nationalism in the United Kingdom (a state) and English nationalism (a large ethnic group). Nationalism in Russia doesn't mean ethnic nationalism. For example, Chechen or Tuvan nationalism is a part of nationalism in Russia's territory, because they are citizens of Russia. Russian nationalist parties are other things. Russian (i.e ethnic) nationalists refer to Russian ethnic group, not the country of Russia. The term Russian nationalism is ambiguous because Russia is a multinational state like Spain or the UK. --TarzanASG (talk) 01:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What I meant is that there is no category for "Nationalisms in Russia". Charles Essie (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose There is no good reason to conflate groups across national borders.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's the only reason I oppose the current title, "Nationalist parties" is not specific enough, the title should make clear that this category is only for Russian nationalist political parties. Charles Essie (talk) 23:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It's come to my attention that a new category was created titled Category:Russian nationalist organizations, my requested move was really because I wanted a category like this, now that it exists, there's no reason move after all, let's close this thing, it never really had support anyway. Charles Essie (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Athletics events at the Commonwealth Games navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (category has remained empty). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting athletics events at the commonwealth games navigational boxes


 * Nominator's rationale: Replaced by Category:Athletics at the Commonwealth Games navigational boxes, which follows usual category style. SFB 20:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:AFC U-14 Football Championship

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting afc u-14 football championship


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable youth tournament, which fails WP:NFOOTBALL... JMHamo (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 18:43, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - there are only two entries and both look to be non-notable (currently at AFD), making the category redundant. GiantSnowman 19:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I am very dubious whether any under 14 sporting event is notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Foo Games foo-ers by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Commonwealth Games archers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games archers
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent "Foo Games foo-ers" categories almost exclusively exist as containers for the by year categories. There is no reason why the year categories cannot by contained at the main "Foo Games foo-ers" categories - these categories add an additional layer of categories with no clear benefit (there is a reason why the upper categories allow viewing "by sport" or "by year" - as it is "by sport" ones are just empty containers that lead into the "by year" category) SFB 16:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, can I get some bot help in tagging these? It's turning into a sisyphean task. SFB 18:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Category:Commonwealth Games athletes (track and field) by year to Category:Commonwealth Games athletes (track and field)
 * Category:Commonwealth Games badminton players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games badminton players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games basketball players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games basketball players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games bowls players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games bowls players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games boxers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games boxers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games cricketers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games cricketers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games cyclists by year to Category:Commonwealth Games cyclists
 * Category:Commonwealth Games divers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games divers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games fencers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games fencers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games field hockey players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games field hockey players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games gymnasts by year to Category:Commonwealth Games gymnasts
 * Category:Commonwealth Games judoka by year to Category:Commonwealth Games judoka
 * Category:Commonwealth Games netball players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games netball players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games powerlifters by year to Category:Commonwealth Games powerlifters
 * Category:Commonwealth Games rowers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games rowers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games rugby sevens players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games rugby sevens players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games shooters by year to Category:Commonwealth Games shooters
 * Category:Commonwealth Games squash players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games squash players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games swimmers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games swimmers
 * Category:Commonwealth Games table tennis players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games table tennis players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games triathletes by year to Category:Commonwealth Games triathletes
 * Category:Commonwealth Games water polo players by year to Category:Commonwealth Games water polo players
 * Category:Commonwealth Games weightlifters by year to Category:Commonwealth Games weightlifters
 * Category:Commonwealth Games wrestlers by year to Category:Commonwealth Games wrestlers
 * Category:Pan American Games athletes (track and field) by year to Category:Pan American Games athletes (track and field)
 * Category:Pan American Games badminton players by year to Category:Pan American Games badminton players
 * Category:Pan American Games basketball players by year to Category:Pan American Games basketball players
 * Category:Pan American Games baseball players by year to Category:Pan American Games baseball players
 * Category:Pan American Games beach volleyball players by year to Category:Pan American Games beach volleyball players
 * Category:Pan American Games bowlers by year to Category:Pan American Games bowlers
 * Category:Pan American Games boxers by year to Category:Pan American Games boxers
 * Category:Pan American Games canoeists by year to Category:Pan American Games canoeists
 * Category:Pan American Games cyclists by year to Category:Pan American Games cyclists
 * Category:Pan American Games divers by year to Category:Pan American Games divers
 * Category:Pan American Games equestrians by year to Category:Pan American Games equestrians
 * Category:Pan American Games fencers by year to Category:Pan American Games fencers
 * Category:Pan American Games field hockey players by year to Category:Pan American Games field hockey players
 * Category:Pan American Games footballers by year to Category:Pan American Games footballers
 * Category:Pan American Games futsal players by year to Category:Pan American Games futsal players
 * Category:Pan American Games gymnasts by year to Category:Pan American Games gymnasts
 * Category:Pan American Games handball players by year to Category:Pan American Games handball players
 * Category:Pan American Games judoka by year to Category:Pan American Games judoka
 * Category:Pan American Games karateka by year to Category:Pan American Games karateka
 * Category:Pan American Games modern pentathletes by year to Category:Pan American Games modern pentathletes
 * Category:Pan American Games racquetball players by year to Category:Pan American Games racquetball players
 * Category:Pan American Games roller skaters by year to Category:Pan American Games roller skaters
 * Category:Pan American Games rowers by year to Category:Pan American Games rowers
 * Category:Pan American Games rugby sevens players by year to Category:Pan American Games rugby sevens players
 * Category:Pan American Games sailors by year to Category:Pan American Games sailors
 * Category:Pan American Games shooters by year to Category:Pan American Games shooters
 * Category:Pan American Games softball players by year to Category:Pan American Games softball players
 * Category:Pan American Games squash players by year to Category:Pan American Games squash players
 * Category:Pan American Games swimmers by year to Category:Pan American Games swimmers
 * Category:Pan American Games synchronized swimmers by year to Category:Pan American Games synchronized swimmers
 * Category:Pan American Games table tennis players by year to Category:Pan American Games table tennis players
 * Category:Pan American Games taekwondo practitioners by year to Category:Pan American Games taekwondo practitioners
 * Category:Pan American Games tennis players by year to Category:Pan American Games tennis players
 * Category:Pan American Games triathletes by year to Category:Pan American Games triathletes
 * Category:Pan American Games volleyball players by year to Category:Pan American Games volleyball players
 * Category:Pan American Games water polo players by year to Category:Pan American Games water polo players
 * Category:Pan American Games weightlifters by year to Category:Pan American Games weightlifters
 * Category:Pan American Games wrestlers by year to Category:Pan American Games wrestlers
 * Category:Asian Games athletes (track and field) by year to Category:Asian Games athletes (track and field)
 * Category:Asian Games bandy players by year to Category:Asian Games bandy players
 * Category:Asian Games badminton players by year to Category:Asian Games badminton players
 * Category:Asian Games basketball players by year to Category:Asian Games basketball players
 * Category:Asian Games baseball players by year to Category:Asian Games baseball players
 * Category:Asian Games beach volleyball players by year to Category:Asian Games beach volleyball players
 * Category:Asian Games bodybuilders by year to Category:Asian Games bodybuilders
 * Category:Asian Games bowlers by year to Category:Asian Games bowlers
 * Category:Asian Games boxers by year to Category:Asian Games boxers
 * Category:Asian Games canoeists by year to Category:Asian Games canoeists
 * Category:Asian Games chess players by year to Category:Asian Games chess players
 * Category:Asian Games cricketers by year to Category:Asian Games cricketers
 * Category:Asian Games cue sports players by year to Category:Asian Games cue sports players
 * Category:Asian Games curlers by year to Category:Asian Games curlers
 * Category:Asian Games cyclists by year to Category:Asian Games cyclists
 * Category:Asian Games divers by year to Category:Asian Games divers
 * Category:Asian Games dragon boat racers by year to Category:Asian Games dragon boat racers
 * Category:Asian Games equestrians by year to Category:Asian Games equestrians
 * Category:Asian Games field hockey players by year to Category:Asian Games field hockey players
 * Category:Asian Games footballers by year to Category:Asian Games footballers
 * Category:Asian Games freestyle skiers by year to Category:Asian Games freestyle skiers
 * Category:Asian Games go players by year to Category:Asian Games go players
 * Category:Asian Games golfers by year to Category:Asian Games golfers
 * Category:Asian Games judoka by year to Category:Asian Games judoka
 * Category:Asian Games kabaddi players by year to Category:Asian Games kabaddi players
 * Category:Asian Games karateka by year to Category:Asian Games karateka
 * Category:Asian Games modern pentathletes by year to Category:Asian Games modern pentathletes
 * Category:Asian Games roller skaters by year to Category:Asian Games roller skaters
 * Category:Asian Games rowers by year to Category:Asian Games rowers
 * Category:Asian Games rugby union players by year to Category:Asian Games rugby union players
 * Category:Asian Games sailors by year to Category:Asian Games sailors
 * Category:Asian Games ski jumpers by year to Category:Asian Games ski jumpers
 * Category:Asian Games ski-orienteers by year to Category:Asian Games ski-orienteers
 * Category:Asian Games snowboarders by year to Category:Asian Games snowboarders
 * Category:Asian Games shooters by year to Category:Asian Games shooters
 * Category:Asian Games squash players by year to Category:Asian Games squash players
 * Category:Asian Games swimmers by year to Category:Asian Games swimmers
 * Category:Asian Games synchronized swimmers by year to Category:Asian Games synchronized swimmers
 * Category:Asian Games table tennis players by year to Category:Asian Games table tennis players
 * Category:Asian Games taekwondo practitioners by year to Category:Asian Games taekwondo practitioners
 * Category:Asian Games tennis players by year to Category:Asian Games tennis players
 * Category:Asian Games triathletes by year to Category:Asian Games triathletes
 * Category:Asian Games volleyball players by year to Category:Asian Games volleyball players
 * Category:Asian Games water polo players by year to Category:Asian Games water polo players
 * Category:Asian Games weightlifters by year to Category:Asian Games weightlifters
 * Category:Asian Games wrestlers by year to Category:Asian Games wrestlers
 * Category:Asian Games wushu practitioners by year to Category:Asian Games wushu practitioners
 * Category:Asian Games xiangqi players by year to Category:Asian Games xiangqi players
 * Merge all -- We seem to have a by year and a by country tree in parallel. I cannot beleive that we need both branches of the tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Angry Administrators

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: category was speedily deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting angry administrators


 * Nominator's rationale: Doesn't appear to be a useful category. If kept should be renamed (e.g. to "Wikipedia administrators who are angry") DexDor (talk) 06:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * delete and salt if kept? Seriously? Kill this one with fire - serves no useful collaborative purpose. Red links would work better for this category in any case since red is the color of anger.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 12:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * G7'd - Move along. :D ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  13:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Songs about coffee

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
 * Propose deleting songs about coffee


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and see Overcategorization and specifically, WP:DEFINING.  "Songs about..." categories remain a repository of original research with no redeeming factors. Richhoncho (talk) 00:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Some of these articles (e.g. The Coffee Song) do look like they're about coffee and others (based on their name) probably are on the theme of coffee. DexDor (talk) 06:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually your words, ""probably are on the theme of coffee" doesn't cut it. Either they are and it is defining, or they are not. The Coffee Song is about the economics of Brazil... None of the other songs in the category have any text claiming the song is "about coffee" so my claim that is non-defining still stands. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * move discussion elsewhere We need to have a broader conversation, without a 1-week time limit, on (Fictional media) about (noun). These things are proliferating, but we need a broader consensus on which nouns are acceptable, and why.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with Obi-Wan but, in the meantime, delete this one per Richhoncho's rationale as being indiscriminate and nondefining. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:03, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as indiscriminate and non-defining. As an example of the problem, I see that Suzanne Vega's "Tom's Diner" has been added here — a song which certainly mentions the word "coffee" in the lyrics, but very much fails to be about coffee per se. I would not object to a List of songs about coffee if somebody actually felt that was warranted (though other people still might), but a category is definitely a step too far over the line. Bearcat (talk) 23:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearcat. Few of the songs are explicitly about coffee (for instance, the Lacy J. Dalton song is really about loneliness after a breakup). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:36, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearcat. --Lquilter (talk) 00:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


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