Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 26



Category:Electro pop by decade

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (category was empty at the time of close). Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting electro pop by decade


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article (which I have PRODed for lack of notability). Unnecessary cat Adabow (talk) 23:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Even if the article survives, it will not be enough to justify the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:MTF cross-dressers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, using hyphens. The Bushranger One ping only 03:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:MTF cross-dressers to Category:Male to female cross-dressers
 * Propose renaming Category:FTM cross-dressers to Category:Female to male cross-dressers
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation which may not be obvious. Note that the category is tagged as subjective. If renamed, I'd also propose that the subjective tag be removed since if we are keeping this, it is by definition not subjective. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment what about Category:FTM cross-dressers ? -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Added. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Shouldn't there be hyphens in the first part?—Category:Male-to-female cross-dressers/Category:Female-to-male cross-dressers. In the first case, the entire phrase "female-to-male" is the adjective that modifies "cross-dressers", not just "female". Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If that is correct, then OK. But I'm not an expert in those aspects of naming. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure use of the hyphens would be right. I would say use the hyphens, but keep a redirect from the non-hyphenated forms. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Women's issues non-governmental organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Women's issues non-governmental organizations to Category:Women's rights organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: I can't tell the difference between these two. The vast majority of womens' rights organizations will also be NGOs, and I don't think it's necessary to split these accordingly. Merge up for simplicity. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fish caches

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. If fish cache is ever created, perhaps the issue could be re-examined. But for now, there's not much we can do with it due to the lack of clarity. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fish caches


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single entry category with no main article and probably limited expansion possibilities. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * suggestion: rename to or similar, under, to also hold ? – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:06, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm still trying to figure out what a fish cache is. Do you know that this is a processing facility as opposed to a storage facility? Vegaswikian (talk) 05:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. While this would indeed ordinarly fall under WP:SMALLCAT, the simple fact is that this is something unique in which there is no obvious upmerge target. (Also Fish cache is an article that should probably be written). — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bushranger (talk • contribs)
 * If we don't know what it is, it should be deleted! The current situation means that we can not determine anything about the subject that would justify keeping. The article is already in an appropriate category, Category:Agricultural buildings and structures on the National Register of Historic Places. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Lowercase proper names or pseudonyms

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. To be on the safe side, I'm going with "listify", but whether that list will survive an AFD is hard to know. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lowercase proper names or pseudonyms


 * Nominator's rationale: Whether someone spells their name in lowercase is not DEFINING of the person themselves, it is really just a stylistic matter of the rendering of their name. Additionally, for at least some of the contents, there is dispute on the "correct" spelling (e.g. E.E. Cummings). I don't think we need this category, it's really a rather trivial thing to categorize a person on. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * This should be a list not a category for several reasons, including as noted by the nom. but the information should be retained, hence, a list. - jc37 18:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree, listify and delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:17, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is categorization by something that has no relevance to notability. I do not think there is even a good reason to create a list.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This may make a useful administrative (hidden) category, to enable someone to watch out for officious (but inappropriate) capitalisation. Otherwise, I would agree that this is non-defining.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial. This is not my last name (talk) 19:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Anime and manga writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. If there is any problem with use of "critics", it applies equally to the parent . Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Anime and manga writers to Category:Anime and manga critics
 * Nominator's rationale: It seems most the contents here are critics of anime/manga, or have written compilations. To distinguish from those who create it, I think having critic in the title is a bit more clear. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree - I second this notion, the title is too suggestive that these are people who write manga (or anime scripts I guess) rather than those who write on anime or manga --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 00:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Do we mean "critic" as a synonym of reviewer. I think in this case there is likely too much confusion about what anyone means.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Critics of H-1B program

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting critics of h-1b program


 * Nominator's rationale: Generally, I think of a critic as an academic or writer where a significant portion of their work is directed at critiquing a certain ideology or social issue (or, in the case of the arts, reviewing and critiquing artistic expression). This category however is about people who have been critical of a particular government visa program - not immigration, not immigration reform, but *just* the H-1B visa. Most of the contents are politicians or pundits, the only two that might fit are Programmers Guild and Norman Matloff - the programmers guild however is focused on much broader issues of advocating for the rights of American computer programmers - their opposition to H-1B is but one of their planks. as for Matloff, he's really the only one for whom this could potentially be defining, but I don't think one person is enough for a category. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - This is non-defining of the people involved -- Lou Dobbs, Dennis Kucinich, Tom Tancredo -- for example. A clear instance of someone thinking that categories are a type of tag or keyword, rather than a narrowly applicable set of organizational trees. --Lquilter (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Listify by mention at H-1B_visa, if cited and not there already; then delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Categorizing politicians for having been critics, even vocal critics, of a specific program is unwise. This is all the more true because some politicians change their position. Categories are not meant to capture every detail mentioned in an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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Foo(ian) school stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename using option 2. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I propose renaming according to one of the following options:


 * Category:African school stubs to Category:Africa school stubs
 * Category:Namibian school stubs to Category:Namibia school stubs
 * Category:South African school stubs to Category:South Africa school stubs
 * Category:Asian school stubs to Category:Asia school stubs
 * Category:Bangladeshi school stubs to Category:Bangladesh school stubs
 * Category:Japanese school stubs to Category:Japan school stubs
 * Category:Pakistani school stubs to Category:Pakistan school stubs
 * Category:European school stubs to Category:Europe school stubs
 * Category:North American school stubs to Category:North America school stubs
 * Category:Canadian school stubs to Category:Canada school stubs
 * Category:Central American school stubs to Category:Central America school stubs
 * Category:Oceanian school stubs to Category:Oceania school stubs
 * Category:Australian school stubs to Category:Australia school stubs
 * Category:South American school stubs to Category:South America school stubs
 * Category:Chilean school stubs to Category:Chile school stubs
 * Category:Ukrainian school stubs to Category:Ukraine school stubs


 * Category:Algeria school stubs to Category:Algerian school stubs
 * Category:Argentina school stubs to Category:Argentine school stubs
 * Category:Brazil school stubs to Category:Brazilian school stubs
 * Category:China school stubs to Category:Chinese school stubs
 * Category:France school stubs to Category:French school stubs
 * Category:Germany school stubs to Category:German school stubs
 * Category:India school stubs to Category:Indian school stubs
 * Category:Ireland school stubs to Category:Irish school stubs
 * Category:Italy school stubs to Ctegory:Italian school stubs
 * Category:Malaysia school stubs to Category:Malaysian school stubs
 * Category:Middle East school stubs to Category:Middle Eastern school stubs
 * Category:Iran school stubs to Category:Iranian school stubs
 * Category:Turkey school stubs to Category:Turkish school stubs
 * Category:Netherlands school stubs to Category:Dutch school stubs
 * Category:Nigeria school stubs to Category:Nigerian school stubs
 * Category:Norway school stubs to Category:Norwegian school stubs
 * Category:Philippines school stubs to Category:Philippine school stubs (per Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 25)
 * Category:Poland school stubs to Category:Polish school stubs
 * Category:Russia school stubs to Category:Russian school stubs
 * Category:South Korea school stubs to Category:South Korean school stubs
 * Category:Spain school stubs to Category:Spanish school stubs
 * Category:Sri Lanka school stubs to Category:Sri Lankan school stubs
 * Category:Sweden school stubs to Category:Swedish school stubs
 * Category:Thailand school stubs to Category:Thai school stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom school stubs to Category:British school stubs
 * Category:Scotland school stubs to Category:Scottish school stubs
 * Category:Wales school stubs to Category:Welsh school stubs
 * Category:United States school stubs to Category:American school stubs
 * Category:Vietnam school stubs to Category:Vietnamese school stubs

Rationalle: These categories should ll be named consistantly - either all Fooian or all Foo. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Foo school stubs. We should avoid adjectival forms, as they can easily be ambiguous. (such as is a "Norwegian school" a school that teaches Norwegian language or a school in Norway or an ethnic Norwegian school? -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe for some of group 2 (as well as Japan, in group 1) - but I doubt tht anyone would think we have stub categories for schools teaching Brazilian, Philippine or Middle Eastern. 77.126.216.69 (talk) 12:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It also applies for schools that use the teaching methods endemic for the nation/region, or cultural immersion. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:00, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Option 1 i.e. Foo school stubs. The adjectival form might also imply pupils from one country schooled in another. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Option 2 is more in line with other existing categories. I agree that stub categories by country are inconsistently named in general, but the majority of them are in adjectival form (e.g. Category:Algerian history stubs, Category:Argentine media stubs, Category:Brazilian sport stubs, Category:Chinese people stubs, etc.). These categories should all be renamed to Fooian school stubs. Fortdj33 (talk) 22:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Option 2. The adjectival form is more logical and easier to follow; the potential ambiguity can be dealt with by having (to use the example postulated) "Schools that teach the Norwegian language" being Category:Schools that teach Norweigan or Category:Norwegian language schools. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Option 2 -- With the exception of countries for which there is no satisfactory demonym, the country name is grammatically an adjective, so that the demonym (an adjective) should be used. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Surnames derived from toponyms

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per C2C and C2D. The Bushranger One ping only 22:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Surnames derived from toponyms to Category:Toponymic surnames
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. There is a standard linguistic term, 'toponymic surname'; no need in descriptive name for the category. Also uniformity with category:Patronymic surnames & category:Occupational surnames - Altenmann >t 06:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


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Italian painters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename; if a user wants to propose a new format for an entire tree, the user needs to do so with a formal nomination. In most cases, it is awkward to make such a proposal through opposing changes that so clearly comply with the speedy rename criteria. In theory, the approach could work in raising the issue to broader awareness, but in practice, it usually just slows down what should be a routine change. It would be much better for the user to announce the proposal via a formal nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:42, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 21st century to Category:21st-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 20th century to Category:20th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 19th century to Category:19th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 17th century to Category:17th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 16th century to Category:16th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 15th century to Category:15th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 14th century to Category:14th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 13th century to Category:13th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to and
 * Suggest renaming Category:Italian painters of the 18th century to Category:18th-century Italian painters
 * Conform to Category:18th-century Italian people by occupation and Category:18th-century painters)
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The categories should confirm to the convention of "XXth-century Italian people by occupation" and "XXth-century painters" categories (concrete categories above). Armbrust The Homunculus 06:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Category:Italian painters of the 21st century to Category:21st-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 20th century to Category:20th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 19th century to Category:19th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 17th century to Category:17th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 16th century to Category:16th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 15th century to Category:15th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 14th century to Category:14th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 13th century to Category:13th-century Italian painters – C2C: per and . Armbrust The Homunculus 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Italian painters of the 18th century to Category:18th-century Italian painters – C2C: per convention of Category:18th-century Italian people by occupation and Category:18th-century painters. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose While I typically adhere to Time, Place and Manner order, these lists were derived by dividing Italian painters by century, not the other was around. I think it makes more sense to divide Italian painters into time periods, than time periods into nationality.Rococo1700 (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nom Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per the convention in Category:20th-century people by occupation (or relevant century category).  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


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