Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 27



Category:2010s rock song stubs

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus, but at least the category meets the content thresholds for stub categories now. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2010s rock song stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Doesn't meet threshhold for new stub categories and was not created following procedures per WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. I'm baffled that proposals process still exists. Be bold people, and if you make a mistake, someone will spot it and it will end up here. Like this one.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 *  Keep  - I sincerely apologize for not following proper procedure, which I will try to do in the future. I have filed a request here to create such a category.  That being said, if rock song stubs are not divided into separate decades, there could end up being several thousand stubs in this category by the end of the century.  People may put 2000s-rock-song-stub in the article thinking that "2000s" means the 21st century. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as part of Category:Rock song stubs, which has subcats for preceding decades. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:57, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: I took it upon myself to diffuse Category:Rock song stubs and was able to up the number of stub articles in the nominated category to 70. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Society by country

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Keep DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
 * Propose renaming Category:Afghan society to Category:Society of Afghanistan


 * Propose renaming Category:Afghan society to Category:Society of Afghanistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian society to Category:Society of Albania
 * Propose renaming Category:Algerian society to Category:Society of Algeria
 * Propose renaming Category:American Samoan society to Category:Society of American Samoa
 * Propose renaming Category:American society to Category:Society of the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Andorran society to Category:Society of Andorra
 * Propose renaming Category:Angolan society to Category:Society of Angola
 * Propose renaming Category:Anguillan society to Category:Society of Anguilla
 * Propose renaming Category:Antigua and Barbuda society to Category:Society of Antigua and Barbuda
 * Propose renaming Category:Argentine society to Category:Society of Argentina
 * Propose renaming Category:Armenian society to Category:Society of Armenia
 * Propose renaming Category:Aruban society to Category:Society of Aruba
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian society to Category:Society of Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Austrian society to Category:Society of Austria
 * Propose renaming Category:Azerbaijani society to Category:Society of Azerbaijan
 * Propose renaming Category:Bahamian society to Category:Society of the Bahamas
 * Propose renaming Category:Bahraini society to Category:Society of Bahrain
 * Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi society to Category:Society of Bangladesh
 * Propose renaming Category:Barbadian society to Category:Society of Barbados
 * Propose renaming Category:Belarusian society to Category:Society of Belarus
 * Propose renaming Category:Belgian society to Category:Society of Belgium
 * Propose renaming Category:Belizean society to Category:Society of Belize
 * Propose renaming Category:Beninese society to Category:Society of Benin
 * Propose renaming Category:Bermudian society to Category:Society of Bermuda
 * Propose renaming Category:Bhutanese society to Category:Society of Bhutan
 * Propose renaming Category:Bolivian society to Category:Society of Bolivia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bonaire society to Category:Society of Bonaire
 * Propose renaming Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina society to Category:Society of Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Propose renaming Category:Botswana society to Category:Society of Botswana
 * Propose renaming Category:Brazilian society to Category:Society of Brazil
 * Propose renaming Category:British society to Category:Society of the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:British Overseas Territories society to Category:Society of the British Overseas Territories
 * Propose renaming Category:British Virgin Islands society to Category:Society of the British Virgin Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Bruneian society to Category:Society of Brunei
 * Propose renaming Category:Bulgarian society to Category:Society of Bulgaria
 * Propose renaming Category:Burkinabé society to Category:Society of Burkina Faso
 * Propose renaming Category:Burmese society to Category:Society of Burma
 * Propose renaming Category:Burundian society to Category:Society of Burundi
 * Propose renaming Category:Byzantine society to Category:Society of the Byzantine Empire
 * Propose renaming Category:Cambodian society to Category:Society of Cambodia
 * Propose renaming Category:Cameroonian society to Category:Society of Cameroon
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian society to Category:Society of Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:Cape Verdean society to Category:Society of Cape Verde
 * Propose renaming Category:Carniolan society to Category:Society of Carniola
 * Propose renaming Category:Caymanian society to Category:Society of the Cayman Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Central African society to Category:Society of the Central African Republic
 * Propose renaming Category:Chadian society to Category:Society of Chad
 * Propose renaming Category:Chilean society to Category:Society of Chile
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese society to Category:Society of China
 * Propose renaming Category:Colombian society to Category:Society of Colombia
 * Propose renaming Category:Comorian society to Category:Society of Comoros
 * Propose renaming Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo society to Category:Society of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Propose renaming Category:Republic of the Congo society to Category:Society of the Republic of the Congo
 * Propose renaming Category:Cook Islands society to Category:Society of the Cook Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Costa Rican society to Category:Society of Costa Rica
 * Propose renaming Category:Croatian society to Category:Society of Croatia
 * Propose renaming Category:Cuban society to Category:Society of Cuba
 * Propose renaming Category:Curaçao society to Category:Society of Curaçao
 * Propose renaming Category:Cypriot society to Category:Society of Cyprus
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech society to Category:Society of the Czech Republic
 * Propose renaming Category:Czechoslovak society to Category:Society of Czechoslovakia
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish society to Category:Society of Denmark
 * Propose renaming Category:Djiboutian society to Category:Society of Djibouti
 * Propose renaming Category:Dominica society to Category:Society of Dominica
 * Propose renaming Category:Dominican Republic society to Category:Society of the Dominican Republic
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch society to Category:Society of the Netherlands
 * Propose renaming Category:East Timorese society to Category:Society of East Timor
 * Propose renaming Category:Ecuadorian society to Category:Society of Ecuador
 * Propose renaming Category:Egyptian society to Category:Society of Egypt
 * Propose renaming Category:Emirati society to Category:Society of the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose renaming Category:English society to Category:Society of England
 * Propose renaming Category:Equatoguinean society to Category:Society of Equatorial Guinea
 * Propose renaming Category:Eritrean society to Category:Society of Eritrea
 * Propose renaming Category:Estonian society to Category:Society of Estonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Ethiopian society to Category:Society of Ethiopia
 * Propose renaming Category:Falkland Islands society to Category:Society of the Falkland Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Faroese society to Category:Society of the Faroe Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Fijian society to Category:Society of Fiji
 * Propose renaming Category:Finnish society to Category:Society of Finland
 * Propose renaming Category:French society to Category:Society of France
 * Propose renaming Category:French Guianan society to Category:Society of French Guiana
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian society to Category:Society of French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:Gabonese society to Category:Society of Gabon
 * Propose renaming Category:Gambian society to Category:Society of the Gambia
 * Propose renaming Category:German society to Category:Society of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:Ghanaian society to Category:Society of Ghana
 * Propose renaming Category:Gibraltarian society to Category:Society of Gibraltar
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek society to Category:Society of Greece
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Greek society to Category:Society of ancient Greece
 * Propose renaming Category:Greenlandic society to Category:Society of Greenland
 * Propose renaming Category:Grenadian society to Category:Society of Grenada
 * Propose renaming Category:Guadeloupean society to Category:Society of Guadeloupe
 * Propose renaming Category:Guam society to Category:Society of Guam
 * Propose renaming Category:Guatemalan society to Category:Society of Guatemala
 * Propose renaming Category:Guernsey society to Category:Society of Guernsey
 * Propose renaming Category:Guinean society to Category:Society of Guinea
 * Propose renaming Category:Guinea-Bissauan society to Category:Society of Guinea-Bissau
 * Propose renaming Category:Guyanese society to Category:Society of Guyana
 * Propose renaming Category:Haitian society to Category:Society of Haiti
 * Propose renaming Category:Honduran society to Category:Society of Honduras
 * Propose renaming Category:Hungarian society to Category:Society of Hungary
 * Propose renaming Category:Icelandic society to Category:Society of Iceland
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian society to Category:Society of India
 * Propose renaming Category:Indonesian society to Category:Society of Indonesia
 * Propose renaming Category:Iranian society to Category:Society of Iran
 * Propose renaming Category:Iraqi society to Category:Society of Iraq
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish society to Category:Society of Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli society to Category:Society of Israel
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian society to Category:Society of Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Ivorian society to Category:Society of Ivory Coast
 * Propose renaming Category:Jamaican society to Category:Society of Jamaica
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese society to Category:Society of Japan
 * Propose renaming Category:Jersey society to Category:Society of Jersey
 * Propose renaming Category:Jordanian society to Category:Society of Jordan
 * Propose renaming Category:Kazakhstani society to Category:Society of Kazakhstan
 * Propose renaming Category:Kenyan society to Category:Society of Kenya
 * Propose renaming Category:Kiribati society to Category:Society of Kiribati
 * Propose renaming Category:North Korean society to Category:Society of North Korea
 * Propose renaming Category:South Korean society to Category:Society of South Korea
 * Propose renaming Category:Korean society to Category:Society of Korea
 * Propose renaming Category:Kosovar society to Category:Society of Kosovo
 * Propose renaming Category:Kuwaiti society to Category:Society of Kuwait
 * Propose renaming Category:Kyrgyzstani society to Category:Society of Kyrgyzstan
 * Propose renaming Category:Laotian society to Category:Society of Laos
 * Propose renaming Category:Latvian society to Category:Society of Latvia
 * Propose renaming Category:Lebanese society to Category:Society of Lebanon
 * Propose renaming Category:Lesotho society to Category:Society of Lesotho
 * Propose renaming Category:Liberian society to Category:Society of Liberia
 * Propose renaming Category:Libyan society to Category:Society of Libya
 * Propose renaming Category:Liechtenstein society to Category:Society of Liechtenstein
 * Propose renaming Category:Lithuanian society to Category:Society of Lithuania
 * Propose renaming Category:Luxembourgian society to Category:Society of Luxembourg
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonian society to Category:Society of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Malagasy society to Category:Society of Madagascar
 * Propose renaming Category:Malawian society to Category:Society of Malawi
 * Propose renaming Category:Malaysian society to Category:Society of Malaysia
 * Propose renaming Category:Maldivian society to Category:Society of the Maldives
 * Propose renaming Category:Malian society to Category:Society of Mali
 * Propose renaming Category:Maltese society to Category:Society of Malta
 * Propose renaming Category:Manx society to Category:Society of the Isle of Man
 * Propose renaming Category:Marshallese society to Category:Society of the Marshall Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Martiniquan society to Category:Society of Martinique
 * Propose renaming Category:Mauritanian society to Category:Society of Mauritania
 * Propose renaming Category:Mauritian society to Category:Society of Mauritius
 * Propose renaming Category:Mexican society to Category:Society of Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:Federated States of Micronesia society to Category:Society of the Federated States of Micronesia
 * Propose renaming Category:Moldovan society to Category:Society of Moldova
 * Propose renaming Category:Monegasque society to Category:Society of Monaco
 * Propose renaming Category:Mongolian society to Category:Society of Mongolia
 * Propose renaming Category:Montenegrin society to Category:Society of Montenegro
 * Propose renaming Category:Montserratian society to Category:Society of Montserrat
 * Propose renaming Category:Moroccan society to Category:Society of Morocco
 * Propose renaming Category:Mozambican society to Category:Society of Mozambique
 * Propose renaming Category:Namibian society to Category:Society of Namibia
 * Propose renaming Category:Nauruan society to Category:Society of Nauru
 * Propose renaming Category:Nepalese society to Category:Society of Nepal
 * Propose renaming Category:New Caledonian society to Category:Society of New Caledonia
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand society to Category:Society of New Zealand
 * Propose renaming Category:Nicaraguan society to Category:Society of Nicaragua
 * Propose renaming Category:Nigerian society to Category:Society of Nigeria
 * Propose renaming Category:Nigerien society to Category:Society of Niger
 * Propose renaming Category:Niuean society to Category:Society of Niue
 * Propose renaming Category:Norwegian society to Category:Society of Norway
 * Propose renaming Category:Omani society to Category:Society of Oman
 * Propose renaming Category:Ottoman society to Category:Society of the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose renaming Category:Pakistani society to Category:Society of Pakistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Palauan society to Category:Society of Palau
 * Propose renaming Category:Palestinian society to Category:Society of the Palestinian territories
 * Propose renaming Category:Panamanian society to Category:Society of Panama
 * Propose renaming Category:Papua New Guinean society to Category:Society of Papua New Guinea
 * Propose renaming Category:Paraguayan society to Category:Society of Paraguay
 * Propose renaming Category:Peruvian society to Category:Society of Peru
 * Propose renaming Category:Philippine society to Category:Society of Philippine
 * Propose renaming Category:Pitcairn Islands society to Category:Society of the Pitcairn Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish society to Category:Society of Poland
 * Propose renaming Category:Portuguese society to Category:Society of Portugal
 * Propose renaming Category:Puerto Rican society to Category:Society of Puerto Rico
 * Propose renaming Category:Qatari society to Category:Society of Qatar
 * Propose renaming Category:Republic of Ireland society to Category:Society of the Republic of Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Roman society to Category:Society of Ancient Rome
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanian society to Category:Society of Romania
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian society to Category:Society of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:Rwandan society to Category:Society of Rwanda
 * Propose renaming Category:Saba society to Category:Society of Saba
 * Propose renaming Category:Sahrawi society to Category:Society of Western Sahara
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Barthélemy society to Category:Society of Saint Barthélemy
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Helenian society to Category:Society of Saint Helena
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis society to Category:Society of Saint Kitts and Nevis
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Lucian society to Category:Society of Saint Lucia
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon society to Category:Society of Saint Pierre and Miquelon
 * Propose renaming Category:Saint Vincent and the Grenadines society to Category:Society of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
 * Propose renaming Category:Salvadoran society to Category:Society of El Salvador
 * Propose renaming Category:Samoan society to Category:Society of Samoa
 * Propose renaming Category:Sammarinese society to Category:Society of San Marino
 * Propose renaming Category:Saudi Arabian society to Category:Society of Saudi Arabia
 * Propose renaming Category:Scottish society to Category:Society of Scotland
 * Propose renaming Category:Senegalese society to Category:Society of Senegal
 * Propose renaming Category:Serbian society to Category:Society of Serbia
 * Propose renaming Category:Seychellois society to Category:Society of Seychelles
 * Propose renaming Category:Sierra Leonean society to Category:Society of Sierra Leone
 * Propose renaming Category:Singaporean society to Category:Society of Singapore
 * Propose renaming Category:Sint Eustatius society to Category:Society of Sint Eustatius
 * Propose renaming Category:Sint Maarten society to Category:Society of Sint Maarten
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovak society to Category:Society of Slovakia
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovenian society to Category:Society of Slovenia
 * Propose renaming Category:Solomon Islands society to Category:Society of the Solomon Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Somalian society to Category:Society of Somalia
 * Propose renaming Category:South African society to Category:Society of South Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:South Sudanese society to Category:Society of South Sudan
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet society to Category:Society of the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish society to Category:Society of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan society to Category:Society of Sri Lanka
 * Propose renaming Category:Sudanese society to Category:Society of Sudan
 * Propose renaming Category:Surinamese society to Category:Society of Suriname
 * Propose renaming Category:Swazi society to Category:Society of Swaziland
 * Propose renaming Category:Swedish society to Category:Society of Sweden
 * Propose renaming Category:Swiss society to Category:Society of Switzerland
 * Propose renaming Category:Syrian society to Category:Society of Syria
 * Propose renaming Category:São Tomé and Príncipe society to Category:Society of São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese society to Category:Society of Taiwan
 * Propose renaming Category:Tajikistani society to Category:Society of Tajikistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Tanzanian society to Category:Society of Tanzania
 * Propose renaming Category:Thai society to Category:Society of Thailand
 * Propose renaming Category:Togolese society to Category:Society of Togo
 * Propose renaming Category:Tongan society to Category:Society of Tonga
 * Propose renaming Category:Trinidad and Tobago society to Category:Society of Trinidad and Tobago
 * Propose renaming Category:Tunisian society to Category:Society of Tunisia
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish Cypriot society to Category:Society of Northern Cyprus
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish society to Category:Society of Turkey
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkmenistan society to Category:Society of Turkmenistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Turks and Caicos Islands society to Category:Society of the Turks and Caicos Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Tuvaluan society to Category:Society of Tuvalu
 * Propose renaming Category:Ugandan society to Category:Society of Uganda
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian society to Category:Society of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:United States Virgin Islands society to Category:Society of United States Virgin Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan society to Category:Society of Uruguay
 * Propose renaming Category:Uzbekistani society to Category:Society of Uzbekistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Vanuatuan society to Category:Society of Vanuatu
 * Propose renaming Category:Vatican City society to Category:Society of Vatican City
 * Propose renaming Category:Venezuelan society to Category:Society of Venezuela
 * Propose renaming Category:Vietnamese society to Category:Society of Vietnam
 * Propose renaming Category:Wallis and Futuna society to Category:Society of Wallis and Futuna
 * Propose renaming Category:Welsh society to Category:Society of Wales
 * Propose renaming Category:Yemeni society to Category:Society of Yemen
 * Propose renaming Category:Yugoslav society to Category:Society of Yugoslavia
 * Propose renaming Category:Zambian society to Category:Society of Zambia
 * Propose renaming Category:Zimbabwean society to Category:Society of Zimbabwe


 * ALTERNATIVE: Propose renaming Category:Society by country back to Category:Society by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. These are logically required following the change of the parent from "by nationality" to "by country" at CFD March 12. The contents are about countries rather than diasporas. Most of the contents are named by country rather than nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have now tagged all the nominated categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * oppose While I agree these are *generally* about the country, they sometimes bleed over - for example, is in . I think the shorter forms are cleaner and more in line with how reliable sources talk about these things, even if the culture bleeds into other places.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * All of the corresponding Culture categories are in the Society categories; I checked that last week. For Ireland, there are corresponding sub-cats for the Republic of Ireland and for Northern Ireland. It all makes sense. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but goes far beyond the borders of whatever entity you define as China in a given point in time.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a problem. If Chinese society covers culture and other matters in the diaspora, do we have to remove it from the parent Category:China? Not at all. WP:SUBCAT allows flexibility in parenting where there is a close enough match. In the same way, the intervening society category Category:Chinese society can still stay as the parent of Category:Chinese culture even if it is renamed to [ Category:Culture of China (oops)] Category:Society of China. If people disagree and think this is a barrier to the renaming, then I am prepared to move all the national culture categories back out of the national Society categories, although that strikes me as wrong given that Category:Culture is within Category:Society. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think on balance - Chinese culture vs Culture of China - or Chinese society vs Society of China - leads me to prefer the former rather than the latter, since it just seems a bit broader and representative of the contents.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was a typo about culture. The culture categories are not to be renamed; they reach the diasporas, and so must stay named by nationality (e.g. Chinese). However, the Society category contents are mostly just in-country matters, e.g., , . – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:48, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't see a good rationale for making such sweeping change. The culture or society of a country is not limited by political boundaries (that is Welsh society or Welsh culture is not limited to Wales). There is also the assumption that there is a unified society when cultures and societies are mixtures and contain many subcultures. If this proposal goes through, it definitely should be discussed on a variety of political, international relations, sociological and anthropological WikiProjects or, at the least, they should receive talk page notifications. Liz  Read! Talk! 23:55, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose I'd agree that adjectives are more forgiving and cover the subleties better than trying to force into "countries" - for instance Ireland isn't a country, one of its subcategories is and one isn't, yet that's meant to fit what is mostly a "country" category. Adjectives also cope better with historical societies - Norman culture generally implies you're in the Middle Ages and roaming from Scandinavia to Sicily, whereas culture of Normandy implies you're talking about the modern day region of France. Inherently "culture" is something that reflects ethnic and cultural "fuzz" rather than modern political boundaries, in contrast to something like "Law of ..." or "Government of ..." Le Deluge (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Obiwankenobi, Liz, Le Deluge: there is no change to the Culture categories, just Society. Most of the contents of the "Society" categories are Law, Government, etc, which are limited to the national borders.
 * is not part of this nomination, and is covered at CFD March 28. I can see a case for treating former countries/empires differently. That does not stop us having a more consistent set of names for current countries. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:54, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I think a split should be done to the proposed titles, so that society in Country X can contain information about ethnic Group Y from country Y in country X and not be confused with ethnic group X from country X in country Z. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 05:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please would you give an example of a split that you want to see? I'm not clear what you mean. It sounds as if you want, e.g. and . However, this nomination is not about splitting categories for diaspora, but just clearer more consistent naming for categories which mainly cover the "home" country. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Bangladeshi society would have subcategories of your examples, while having a sibling category for Society in Bangladesh. Society of Bangladesh would cover all aspects of the society in the country including minority groups and non-Bangladeshi diaspora populations in Bangladesh, while Bangladeshi society would cover the diaspora of Bangladesh, and the majority Bangladeshi society of Bangladesh. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 09:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you. This could be done quite easily. Category:Bangladeshi society could hold Category:Bangladeshi culture, Category:Bangladeshi diaspora, Category:Bangladeshi people, and Category:Society in Bangladesh which would hold the rest of the current sub-cats that are just about the country. For other nations it could also hold refugees as pointed out below by user:Uyvsdi. Do any others support this suggested split? If so it might be clearest for me to withdraw and relist this, as it would be a significantly different proposal. - Fayenatic london 11:38, 1 April 2014
 * No, I think this is excessive subcategorization. We try to make subcats really subcats, but culture and society and many other things simply bleed over the borders, but I don't think it means we should split them somehow.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * On the one hand, this alternate proposal does have a certain logic to it. On the other hand, it leads to a very complex and, I think, unwieldy arrangement that would probably be overly confusing for readers to be able to navigate. Cgingold (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I agree with you both. For countries that have only a few sub-categories under Society, it would clearly be unhelpful. So we are just back to the alternative outcome below, i.e. renaming the parent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever the outcome for this proposal -- and I have very mixed feelings about the whole thing -- the decision to rename the head category should not be reversed. Imperfect though it may be, Category:Society by country is surely far less problematic than Category:Society by nationality. Cgingold (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I only supported the rename of the head category at CFD March 12 because I have long thought that these national categories were mis-named. If they are to be kept, e.g. "Afghan", well, that is a nationality; only if they were renamed to e.g. "of Afghanistan" would "by country" match the contents. "By country" or "by nationality" should be used according to the naming of the national sub-cats, not according to one's view of the nature of the contents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose per previous comments that the current naming is more flexible to cover more potential topics. For instance, the first cat in the first example Category:Afghan society is Category:Afghan refugee camps, many of which are in Iran and Pakistan, not within the borders of Afghanistan. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Oh bother, this nomination took me hours! If it is rejected, please can the alternative outcome be to reverse the renaming of the parent Category:Society by country back to Category:Society by nationality, to match the contents again? – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - With sincere apologies to Fayenatic for the time put into this proposal, there is no inherent contradiction in organizing by country at the top level the discussions of culture and cultural diasporas. Some geographically bounded "countries" may contain more than one culture and be the origin of more than one diaspora, but such situations are easily addressable within a text covering that country. If there is no inherent contradiction, it seems like a wasteful expenditure of time to do all this re-naming.  Meclee (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, and that's why Culture will remain "by nationality". The question is at what level to make the switch from "by country" to "by nationality". IMHO, the Society categories – which are between the main country level and the culture categories – should be "by country", following the nature of most (by far) of the other contents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * support alternative proposal though I fear it may be better to hit the reset button. 'Country' or 'nationality' are Both wrong actually, it should really be - in that for many of these things we can't firmly establish whether tradition or food or practice as is 'Italian' when the nation state of Italy was a relatively recent creation, so a lot of this is related to the historical imagining and revisionist  continuous histories that people use to link them to the past, even if their present state conquered and perhaps destroyed what was previously there. I can't think of a better shorter term, either one is actually fine, so I will throw my support behind whichever one others like - society by country or society by nationality, both are slightly wrong but close enough indeed.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with the above comment from Obi-Wan Kenobi, but only if he's the Alec Guinness and not the new guy. I'm not sure I understand using the lesser/greater of two ill-defined terms, when "Society by national origin and myth in the imaginary of citizens of said nation" actually works best. I do see Fayenatic's point as such and appreciate the time he put into this. Mvblair (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Favor. "Society" first. More objective. I would prefer country, but that is really a separate change from what the discussion first started out to be. "Society of Abenaki" instead of "Society of North American Natives" or "Society of the United States" or whatever. These are simply three competing articles calling for a different solution. Society first. That is the decision that needs to be made. Student7 (talk) 21:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Women Egyptologists

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to  and . Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Women Egyptologists to both parents
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. This is a follow on to this discussion. The possibility of upmerging this to Category:Egyptologists was proposed as an add on to nomination being discussed.  With only 3 articles, the idea probably should get a full discussion.  I'm still neutral but thinking abut it.  Vegaswikian (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * support We dont need to genderize every single academic subfield.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge No one has demonstrated that this specific form of archeology is more gendered than any other form. Anyway, Category:Women archaeologists is not big enough to need splitting.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support proposal. I don't see a compelling reason to go further than Category:Women archaeologists. Cgingold (talk) 16:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge obviously. Archaeology is not a profession where there has been a significant gender divide in many years (if ever).  There is thus no need for a gender split.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Cross-dressing in media

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge to Category:Cross-dressing in media. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cross-dressing in media to Category:Cross-dressing in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge or reverse merge. These seem to be two overlapping categories. In fact the vast majority of the content is the same and one could argue that the Category:Cross-dressing in literature‎ could be move to fiction without a discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * reverse merge, just put it all in media, that way if we have non-fiction it could fit there as well, I don't see a need to separate out fiction at this point.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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Shades of Colors

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 * The result of the discussion was: wrong place to discuss page moves, see Requested Move at Talk:Variations of brown. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:42, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose rename:


 * 1) Variations of gray to Shades of gray
 * 2) Variations of brown to Shades of brown
 * 3) Variations of pink to Shades of pink
 * 4) Variations of cyan to Shades of cyan
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistent with Category:Shades of color and respective parent categories. --172.251.77.75 (talk) 17:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Death of women

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Death of women to Category:Women and death
 * Nominator's rationale: Excessive sub categorization. We already have a parent which covers the topic of women and death, and all of these articles would work fine in the parent. Additionally, this category actually suggests a wider scope, meaning people may start to place articles that mention a woman dying within, which is not the intent here. Merging up will help tighten the scope so it remains for articles on the topic of intersection of women and death. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. This category and the parent category are not particularly small (total 9 subcats and 43 pages) so it's not excessive sub categorization. It's useful to separate articles about deaths of women from articles about other things (e.g. female murderers, female mourning). If anything, it's Category:Women and death which should be purged/deleted (along with many other "Foo and bar" categories). If necessary, the scope can be clarified/tightened using inclusion criteria. (category creator) DexDor (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But we don't want to have articles about deaths of women - I already removed one article about a woman who died - this is silly to gather these together in this way - e.g. "Here is a person who died" + "she was a woman" - I see no need to collect such articles together. I proposed deletion of earlier but people liked it, so consensus is to keep, I just don't think we need to divide further, these are all on the topic of women and death, that's close enough...--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The Women_and_death CFD closed as no consensus and the argument to delete/upmerge that category is stronger now that a chunk of that category is in the the Death_of_women category. Women_and_death isn't really one topic; it's a collection of topics that are separate intersections of the topic of women with the topic of death. DexDor (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm all with you, but I wasn't able to get that one deleted, people seemed to like "random mishmash of something to do with death and something to do with women". The problem with this cat is it may start collecting articles about women who died, which is a bad idea. Sadly, death takes us all, women and men and boys and girls, and I don't see the value in genderizing, but if we do, let's keep it to a single cat.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge The current name is too likely to lead to miscategorization and misuse.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep useful sub categorisation. e.g. Medea and death goddesses are plainly in a different category to dead women. I have notified WP:Death where there may be more insight into this grouping.  Ephebi (talk) 15:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Law enforcement museums and memorials in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: split into Category:Law enforcement museums in Canada and Category:Law enforcement memorials in Canada. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: only implemented in part, as only one article on a memorial does not justify a category. – Fayenatic  L 'ondon 23:39, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting law enforcement museums and memorials in canada


 * Nominator's rationale: Split, per Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 15 Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Split, museums and memorials should be separate. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Single-deck solitaire card games

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. The Bushranger One ping only 05:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Single-deck solitaire card games to Category:52-card deck solitaire card games
 * Nominator's rationale: Same as Category:52-card deck solitaire card games TheChampionMan1234 04:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * reverse merge not all solitaire is played with 52 cards. In Italy most decks have 40 cards.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No merge. Both are decent sized categories. Category:52-card deck solitaire card games can exist just fine as a subcat of Category:Single-deck solitaire card games. This retains clarity in categorisation, and yet also helps navigation (the purpose of categories) - jc37 18:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think a merge is better, since we have, I don't feel like there's value in separating out solitaire played with 52 card deck vs spanish deck (50 cards), or italian deck (40 cards), or German skat deck (36 cards), or austrian schnapsen deck (24 cards), or tarot deck (78 cards). Single deck is close enough.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is simple category diffusion, common practice on Wikipedia. If you have a large category, it can help navigation if you diffuse it into smaller subcats. So in this case, the parent is Category:Single-deck solitaire card games, and so Category:52-card deck solitaire card games is a subcat of that. no need for a merge, which then makes a large voluminous category. And besides, as this is the english Wikipedia, I don't think it's beyond the pale to think that readers are likely going to be looking for 52-card deck related solitaires, as 52 cards is a common deck in primarily english-speaking countries, such as US, UK, Australia and elsewhere.
 * So this is a simple subcat choice, which helps navigation and helps readers find what they want/need. What's the converse arguement? They all need to be dumped in a pile together, forcing readers to try to sift through all those pages to try to figure out which articles involved 52-card decks? Which do you think helps navigation? - jc37 18:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * most games with fewer than 52 cards can be played with a stripped 52-card deck. Yes subcats can work here but I think it's an unneeded level of specification and the cat wouldn't be that big anyway and would probably fit on one page nonetheless.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * reverse merge—the key difference between single deck and double deck patience is that in a single deck there are no duplicate cards. The number of cards in the single deck doesn't change that fact that it's a single deck. See David Partlett's encyclopaedic work on patience games for more details. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Zabytki

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as proposed. There's definitely a consensus here to use an English-language name. In the absence of a consensus for any alternative name, I'm defaulting so it matches the name of the article. It may be possible to reach a consensus on a different name through WP:RM. If so, the category name can then be changed speedily to match the new name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Zabytki to Category:Objects of cultural heritage in Poland
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Let's use an English name. The main article was moved by User:Staszek Lem already two years back; although there was no discussion, there were no objections. I have raised this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Poland, where the category creator expressed no objections to renaming the category. My only concern would be that the English name is a bit ORish (as in, I haven't found any other English widespread translation of zabytek), see my analysis at Talk:Objects of cultural heritage in Poland for details. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:12, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * speedy rename - further discussions about the appropriate English title should be had at the article; then the category should simply follow suit if it's decided to change.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Question to If the Narodowy Instytut Dziedzictwa (National Heritage Board of Poland) is not using this term, as you stated on the article talk page, is there a definable scope for the contents of the category? – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:16, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, for objects in the official catalogues at Objects of cultural heritage in Poland, maintained by NID itself. NID is not using the Polish term in English, but they certainly do it in Polish, and such a category can be defined.--<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - I am all in favor of using English terms in category names whenever possible. However, it seems to me that we can do better than the current proposal. In particular, I think we should use the term "artifacts" rather than "objects". What about "Cultural artifacts in Poland" (wherein "heritage" is implicit)? Cgingold (talk) 03:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Good point. How about using the term Cultural property, i.e. Category:Cultural properties in Poland? This covers both moveable and immoveable objects. I have suggested at the main article talk page that it could be renamed following this discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "Property" would be a good term, except that it is ambiguous: besides "a thing... owned" and the like, it has a couple of other meanings, including a "trait or attribute... [a] peculiarity... any of the principal characteristics of a substance... an essential quality common to all members of... a class."  Nihil novi (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Support an English-language rendering of the Polish "zabytki" (in the singular, "zabytek"). Nihil novi (talk) 09:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "Polish cultural monuments"? "Monument", derived ultimately from the Latin "monere", "to remind", is used in many senses, all of which are applicable in this context.  For example, literary works may be classed as monuments, as in the title of  Bogdana Carpenter's Monumenta Polonica:  the First Four Centuries of Polish Poetry:  a Bilingual Anthology.  I would use the wording "Polish cultural monuments" rather than "Cultural monuments  in Poland", because a Polish cultural monument such as a painting or book might be found outside Poland, in another country.  Nihil novi (talk) 20:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Cultural properties of Poland. I think it should follow the main article cultural property, and that this has the right breadth for the reasons above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Please reconsider. "Cultural property are the physical constituents of the cultural heritage of a group or society." But the term zabytek, as noted, refers to more than that; for example it also encompasses Cultural_heritage. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But the main article states that zabytek is defined as "creation of man or its byproduct". Natural monuments are only mentioned where they form part of a park, as the park can be a zabytek because it is manmade. If the Wikipedia article is wrong on this, please correct it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:27, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Objects of cultural heritage in Poland per parent article Objects of cultural heritage in Poland. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As the article name has never been discussed until now, we should start from scratch rather than treat it as a precedent. It can be renamed alongside the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * REname somehow. The article indicates that the term convers both buildings and objects.  I would tentatively suggest something like Category:Registered cultural heritage in Poland, but I am not fundamentally opposed to some of the other suggested targets.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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