Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 March 3



Category:Fictional Hispanic people

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: weak consensus for a rename to Category:Fictional Latin American people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose moving/renaming Category:Fictional Hispanic people to one (or all) of the following(s):
 * Category:Fictional Latin people
 * Category:Fictional Hispanic and Latino people
 * Category:Fictional Hispanic and Latin American people
 * Category:Fictional Latin American people
 * Nominator's rationale: consistent with Category:Hispanic and Latino and Category:Fictional Hispanic and Latino-American people --172.251.77.75 (talk) 19:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See Category:Fictional characters by ethnicity or nationality for examples. --172.251.77.75 (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete We do not categorize real or fictional people by trans-national, ill-defined terms. I am still baffled why Jamaicans are in this category at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge out Haitian and Jamaican (not Latin American or Hispanic). Alternatively rename to Category:Fictional Latin American people.  Hispanic is essnetially an American ethnic term, which is nmot needed for natives (other than of Spain itself).  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional American people by state

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: category was not tagged with Template:Cfr. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional American people by state to Category:Fictional American people by state in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: consistent with Category:People by state in the United States --172.251.77.75 (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional British people by ethnicity‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: category was not tagged with Template:Cfr. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional British people by ethnicity‎ to Category:Fictional British people by ethnic or national origin
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistent with Category:Fictional American people by ethnic or national origin‎ --172.251.77.75 (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Consistent with something that doesn't currently exist? You want another shot at that, champ?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Thge present categoryu is clear and does not need changing. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional American people of Croatian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional american people of croatian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: There is only one character in this category and it is debatable if he even belongs in it JDDJS (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete The characters ethnicity was not mentioned centrally in the article. There is no evidence that it was important to the creators.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional American people of Hungarian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional american people of hungarian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: There is only one character in this category and it is debatable if he even belongs in it JDDJS (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Although we could add Lisa Douglas to the list. In that case it would be defining, but the fact she is a fictional Hungarian and a fictional immigrant describe the issue much better.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional American people of Austrian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional american people of austrian descent


 * Nominator's rationale: There is only one character in this category and it is debatable if he even belongs in it JDDJS (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I am surprised people did not try to put articles on characters from the Sound of Music in this category. This is not defining for the characters, even if it is a trait mentioned somewhere.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional American people of Puerto Rican descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional American people of Puerto Rican descent to Category:Fictional Puerto Rican people
 * Nominator's rationale: Puerto Rico is considered to be part of America, therefore this category is redundant. There's only one article in Fictional Puerto Rican people because of this division. JDDJS (talk) 16:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question: The former suggests "ethnicity or ethnic origin"; the latter "nationality or national origin". Might want to maintain a clear distinction between the two. Fiction-aside, national-identity can easily change during ones' lifetime, but ethnic-identity is inherent. When/If Puerto Rico becomes a state, should these be renamed to Category:Fictional characters from Puerto Rico? --172.251.77.75 (talk) 18:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose People of Puerto Rican descent are those who live somewhere in the states of the US who have Puerto Rican ancestry. To say these must be Puerto Rican is just not true. I doubt Raul Labrodor's children would admit to being "Puerto Rican" but they are clearly of Puerto Rican descent (he was born on the island, so he counts as Puerto Rican). True I am giving a real world example to comment on fiction, but it is worth saying. I have not delved enough into West Side Story to say if we can call Maria and her assocaiates "Puerto Rican" or just "of Puerto Rican descent", but the topics are clearly distinct.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. People in the island of Puerto Rico do not identify themselves with US fictional characters of Puerto Rican descent. The opposite is also the case (with the obvious exception of transient travelers, temporary workers, etc from Puerto Rico on the mainland) and Stateside Puerto Ricans do not identify themselves with fictional characters of the island. The nominator's rational has its base on the political status of Puerto Rico, but the two categories he is proposing to merge have a cultural base/undertone. Nominator's confusion is not the first, and in 1902 the US Supreme Court decided a landmark case, Gonzales v. Williams, precisely on his "Puerto Rico is considered to be part of the United States" claim that uninformed people throw around all the time. This is a very good example of the difference between the political "Puerto Rico is considered to be part of America" that nominator is talking about and the cultural reality that Puerto Ricans in the Island are not part of the US in the cultural sense. Foreign in a Domestic Sense: Puerto Rico, The American Expansion, and the Constitution by U.S. Justice Juan R. Torruella discusses this difference in detail. BTW, there's not one (1) but two (2) articles in  and more will be added as editors in the WP:PUR project get a chance to continue to create such articles.  Mercy11 (talk) 14:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Category:Juan José Cuadros Pérez

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting juan josé cuadros pérez


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. WP:OC violation as all the category contains is his head article and a navigational template. Bearcat (talk) 07:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William 12:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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