Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 26



Category:Transportation in India by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. In addition to the unopposed reason given below, the page also qualifies for speedy deletion as created by a blocked editor in defiance of the block. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting transportation in india by city


 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate of Category:Transport in India by city Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Human Computation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting human computation


 * Nominator's rationale: identical to Category:Human-based computation Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:18, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * speedy merge per nom.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per rationale added to new category's talk page (this new, more general category subsumes Category:Human-based computation, which is the sub-class of HC that specifies evolutionary processes.Stigmergy (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge or Delete. Currently contains just 3 articles (and I'm not sure all of those actually fit the inclusion criteria), category is misnamed and has no parents. Note: Stigmergy is the category creator. DexDor (talk) 21:38, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant per nom. The category's creator seems to be arguing that "human computation" is an evolutionary process while human-based computation is defined as an application within computer science, however the three pages included seem to fail the evolutionary definition. Maybe I'm misinterpreting but to me this seems redundant. Ivanvector (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Novels by Daniel S. Fletcher

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 * The result of the discussion was: administrative close: category was deleted because the sole article in it was deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting novels by daniel s. fletcher


 * Nominator's rationale: category for 1 item, the debut novel of a writer. article itself is up for deletion, but even if it passes, we wont need this category until he writes his second novel. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there's a guideline for novels, but albums are always categorised in this way. Is there precedent for deleting or keeping such categories? Peter James (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT - part of a large established scheme (Category:British novels by writer). It is obvious that the author is a defining characteristic of a novel. (If the novel article is deleted, which seems quite likely, the category will be empty and deletion will follow without a cfd.) Oculi (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep part of a larger scheme of novels by author.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. As much as it pains me, there's no reason to delete this yet. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete What am I missing? This is only available as an ebook from Amazon and the only entry will shortly be deleted. The book has 27 hits on Google, 44 on Bing. Sure, it will be deleted if emptied, but at the moment I don't see the rationale for a category which would only become relevant if there is a 2nd possible entry. Do we normally keep one entry categories? Dougweller (talk) 11:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Only entry now deleted. Dougweller (talk) 05:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Tagged for C1. --BDD (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sinn Féin politicians. However, this close is without prejudice to the creation of one or more subcategories with specified date cutoffs. There was consensus to remove the "Irish" from the category name, but on whether to just have Category:Sinn Féin politicians or subcategories by date no consensus was reached. Therefore, this remains an open question that users can choose to pursue in the normal ways, including the creation and subsequent nomination of subcategories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians to Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926)
 * Nominator's rationale: The current title gives no clue about the category's purpose, which is for Sinn Féin politicians before 1926. The "Irish" prefix is useless, because (AFAIK) Sinn Féin has not participated in the politics of other countries. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Ireland has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I support the removal of the redundant adjective "Irish" from the category name as it creates a tautology, like "the Irish Taoiseach," but I wonder why you want to delimit the category by year ("1905–1926"), since we have Sinn Féin politicians active now. — O'Dea  (talk) 20:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a hatnote in the cat that says, "This category contains politicians who were members of the original Sinn Féin party in the early 20th century (19051926). The category for the modern party of the same name is: Category:Sinn Féin politicians." Scolaire (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Scolaire. I cannot see a reason for two categories and think there should be one called simply, Category:Sinn Féin politicians, without the word "Irish" in the title. Any proposed subset of Sinn Féin politicians should be a subcategory of that, if someone could identify a need for one, such as Brown HairedGirl's desire for one for 19051926. As to that, would we then also need one for 19271968, and for 1969present? Why bother dividing them like that? There aren't many of them, so the group is not unwieldy. Regardless, I cannot think of any reason why the word "Irish" should appear in any such Sinn Féin category names. The category under discussion should be merged into Category:Sinn Féin politicians, or renamed as suggested and made a subcategory of it.  — O'Dea  (talk) 17:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

In summary, the party split twice in the 1920s, first in April 1923 when the pro-Treaty majority of deputies left to form Cumann na nGaedheal. It split again in 1926, when the majority of deputies left with deValera to form Fianna Fáil. In 1921 Sinn Féin candidates won 124 out of 128 seats in the Dail. After the 1923 split, they won 44 out of 153 seats at the 1923 election. After the 1926 split, they won 5 out of 153 seats at the June 1927 election, and were wiped out in September 1927. In other words, the 1926 split marks the point at which SF made the second of 2 big steps from being absolutely dominant party of Irish politics to being an electoral irrelevancy for 4 decades. A court case in the 1940s ruled that the SF party then in existence was not the legal successor of the pre-1922 party. So ... far from being an arbitrary cut-off, the 1926 cut-off in the existing category is a WP:DEFINING characteristic of those so categorised. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC) There were several decades in which no SF TDs were elected to the Dail, and that provides a logical break in the category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree it should be changed. Unsure about the proposed cat name and contents for two reasons: one, the conventional cut-off is 1922 – Sinn Féin in the years 1922-1926 is essentially Fianna Fáil plus the post-1926 rump Sinn Féin; two, the other cat gives the impression of being post-1970 only, which may leave us with a significant number of uncategorised Sinn Féin politicians. Scolaire (talk) 22:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * merge to  otherwise you will have an arbitrary cutoff, which is best avoided. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply. The cut-off is not arbitrary, and the comment suggests that you didn't bother checking the history before commenting (see Sinn Féin).
 * , You linked to Irish general election, 1923, but the name Sinn Féin does not appear in that article at all. The 44 "Republican" TDs elected were, if not identical, as near as makes no difference to the 44 Fianna Fáil TDs who were elected in 1927. I'll bet my bottom dollar that there is nobody in Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians who joined the party after 1922 that is not in Category:Fianna Fáil politicians. So the cat, if it is to be retained, should only be for people who were in Sinn Féin in or before 1922. The court case of the 1940s, that you cite, held that 1922 was the date that the Sinn Féin of the War of Independence ceased to exist. Scolaire (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You make a very good case for selecting 1922 as the cut-off date, and I will not oppose that change. However, my main concern here is that whatever we do does not lump the 1918-22 SF politicians with those of more recent decades.  There is a ongoing political and historical dispute about the degree of continuity, and keeping the two categories separate but linked allows readers to form their own view on the degree of continuity.
 * I suggest renaming it Category:Early Sinn Féin politicians and changing the header to "This category contains politicians who were members of the original Sinn Féin party in the early 20th century (pre-1922)." Scolaire (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge with Category:Sinn Féin politicians Fianna Fáil split form Sinn Féin in 1926. Sinn Féin didn't cease, even if electoral wipe out followed. --Tóraí (talk) 10:15, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, I'd support a January 1, 1923 cut off date per the Sinn Féin Funds Case ruling. --Tóraí (talk) 10:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree, but could also support 1922/23 cutoff date. Snappy (talk) 16:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree and suggest subcategories 1905-22 / 1922-68 / 1968-98 / 1998-date. Someone is bound to set up "Sinn Fein the revisionist party" any day now.--PatrickGuinness (talk) 21:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. This is clearly a distinct and different group than the present party. The Republicans in the United States in 1804 are not the modern party, while the Republicans of 1860, while having many different views than those of today, are clearly the same political party. Just because groups use the same name does not mean they are the same, and in this case there is a clear and distinct break between the past organization and the present one. Same name does not mean same organization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


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Category:SCRUM in Marketing

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 * The result of the discussion was: deleted by Drmies. --BDD (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting scrum in marketing


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as a small category that is unlikely to grow. Pichpich (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominee.--Animalparty-- (talk) 20:46, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Articles for deletion/Importance Of Implementing SCRUM into Organizations. User uploading homework. Unlikely this categorization will apply to any articles worthy of inclusion. Ivanvector (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Demographic history by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Demographic history by country to Category:Demographic history by country or region
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename or split. Several articles on demographic history of regions were added, and the category was moved but then moved back. Category:Demographics by country is by country only and other regions are within "Demography of [country or continent]", but splitting in this way would result lead to more small categories and could be overcategorisation. Peter James (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * do no change Clean out Category:Demographic history by country so that it only contains country demographic history (as it should from its parent category structure) and put city and region demographic histories into their own categories if there are enough articles to justify them.  Hmains (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support rename, it justifies adding demographics for places like Hong Kong or South Ossetia, without getting into the politics of whether they're countries or not. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:09, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support rename. What about something broader Demographic history by geography? Thanks for opening this by the way - was not familiar with the procedure. I support a rename because most of the "demographic history" articles apply to disputed sub-national regions, and I don't think overall there are enough articles to justify a category for "demographic history by region" and another for "by country". At the moment all the "region" articles have no applicable category. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)


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