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Category:Southern Tang royal consorts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Southern Tang royal consorts to Category:Southern Tang empresses
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Admittedly, there is some ambiguity as to the propriety of referring to the two wives of Southern Tang's final ruler Li Yu (Queen Zhou the Elder — whose article I still believe should be either titled Empress Zhou the Elder or Empress Zhou Ehuang, but that's a different issue for a different day — and her younger sister and successor Empress/Queen Zhou the Younger (who currently does not have an English Wikipedia article yet, but whose Chinese Wikipedia article can be found at zh:小周后).  (That is because throughout Li Yu's entire reign, as well at the very end of the reign of his father Li Jing, Southern Tang had been subjugated to be formally a vassal of Song (and, prior to that, Later Zhou).)  However, there is no doubt that their grandmother-in-law (Empress Song Fujin) and mother-in-law (Empress Zhong) are properly referred to as empresses.  Their husband Li Yu himself is generally considered by Chinese historians to be properly referred to as emperor.  With that being the case, given that "consort" often denotes, in the Chinese context, the emperors' concubines and the Zhous were (successive) wives, I believe the category is more properly named under "empresses" rather than "consorts."  --Nlu (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment For background information see the discussion at Talk:Queen Zhou the Elder. The situation is mostly that I disagree with the notion that Li Yu had been an emperor. (If I had my way, I would like to see Category:Southern Tang emperors renamed to Category:Southern Tang rulers instead, just like Category:Wu (Ten Kingdoms) rulers (Wu was Southern Tang's predecessor in a way.)) Timmyshin (talk) 14:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Could we just lump them all together as Category:Southern Tang royalty? All of them amount to about 8 articles or so. Brianyoumans (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We could, but I don't see the value of such an aggregate category. --Nlu (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:National Film Awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:National Film Awards to Category:National Film Awards (India)
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article for this category is National Film Awards (India), which has been moved from National Film Awards. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 04:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename As there are several different National Film Awards it seems appropriate to distinguish a separate Category:National Film Awards (India). Liz  Read! Talk! 20:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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