Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 9



Category:History books about the city of Halifax

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History books about the city of Halifax to Category:History books about cities, Category:History books about Canada and Category:History of Halifax, Nova Scotia.
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. This came up on the speedy page for renaming, but should be upmerged per WP:SMALLCAT. Otherwise, rename to Category:History books about Halifax, Nova Scotia following CFD April 27. – Fayenatic  L ondon 00:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. This is too specific to warrnat a category.  Furthermore the place should be Halifax, Nova Scotia to distinguish it from Halifax in Yorkshire.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Commissions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, but merge some of the contents to Category:Public inquiries, as appropriate. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Commissions to Category:Commissions and inquiries
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match many of the national sub-categories. should be removed as it is only here because of the shared name "commission". – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. There are several items here which are not inquiries, such as Category:United States federal boards, commissions, and committees, Category:Ethics commissions, and some decision should be made about what to do with them. More broadly, I fear that the whole thing is categorisation by shared name, right down into the subcats. E.g. Finance Commission of India is not an inquiry. It all needs a lot of scrutiny. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:28, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Not all commissions are conducting enquiries. I would suggest that we should retain this despite the SHAREDNAME issue, as the fact that a body is called "commission" is likely to be useful as an aid to navigation, for those who are not quite sure of the procise name of the one in question.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:08, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If kept, Rename to Category:Commissions of inquiry to match the main article. Not ambiguous and it should not change the focus. Vegaswikian1 (talk) 16:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete purely a shared name. Moreover, Commission is a disambiguation page for the commission of art works, paying sales people, launching ships, promoting military officers, as well as panels of folks that are fact finding (inquiries?) or negotiating or legislating or administering policies. Surely "commissions of inquiry" would suffice to hold the inquiring panels and the other uses are just shared names. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a case of categorizing by shared name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Although the page currently says that Commission of inquiry is the main article, that redirects to Royal Commission, which says that a "Royal Commission is a major ad-hoc formal public inquiry". In the light of this and the above comments, I suggest the appropriate course would be "delete with selective merge" to Category:Public inquiries (or "merge and purge"), as the others are only categorised here because of the shared name, which is over-categorisation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:40, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:1990s romance film stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:1990s film stubs and Category:Romance film stubs. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1990s romance film stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category was created before determination of whether it was needed. I tried to populate the category, but there's just not enough articles to meet the threshold. It should be deleted, and the contents upmerged to . Fortdj33 (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Contains 27 articles, which is enough for a useful category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge (changing my !vote). Duh. I missed that it was a stub categ, and as such it is too small. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom, as we have a lower limit of 50-60 articles in stub categories.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Small stub categories are not useful.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete what's a romance film and what reliable source says so? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is a validly filled subcategory providing enough reason to keep this category.  Traditionally, all plays / films have two categories: Comedy or Drama (happy or sad ending).  Now in current years, these meanings have altered somewhat, but most romance films would fall into either one or the other, even given contemporary understanding of these terms.  We have over 100 comedic romantic film stubs for this decade.  So, maybe we have less than 60 dramatic romantic film stubs, but all of these would still be classified under the larger heading of romantic films. Dawynn (talk)


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Category:1980s romance film stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:1980s film stubs and Category:Romance film stubs. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1980s romance film stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category was created before determination of whether it was needed. I tried to populate the category, but there's just not enough articles to meet the threshold. It should be deleted, and the contents upmerged to . Fortdj33 (talk) 20:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Contains 16 articles, which is enough for a useful category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge (changing my !vote). Duh. I missed that it was a stub categ, and as such it is too small. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom, as we have a lower limit of 50-60 articles in stub categories.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Small stub categories are not useful.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. This just needed a little help.  First, a romantic comedy is both a romance and a comedy.  So, pulling in template 1980s-romantic-comedy-film-stub instantly adds 43 articles to this category.  A little effort pulled in a few more.  Current tally:
 * 1980s-romantic-comedy-film-stub - 43 articles
 * 1980s-romance-film-stub - 23 articles
 * Dawynn (talk) 12:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Dawynn, with all due respect, your reasoning is flawed. First of all, adding the romance and comedy categories to the stub 1980s-romantic-comedy-film-stub is not appropriate, because that stub is already populating a sub-category of both those categories. If the template had enough articles to warrant its own category, then placing its category as a sub-category of both would be appropriate. As for 1980s-romance-film-stub, ideally a film article may have more than one stub template, if one is needed for genre and a second for country of origin. And sometimes these stub categories are broken down by decade because of size. But adding a third stub template that is already covered by the other two, just to populate an unneeded stub category, is redundant and unnecessary. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You're neglecting year of release. 1980s-romantic-comedy-film-stub is not yet tagged on enough articles to warrant its own category.  So, no, there is no subcategory here that can merge up to  and .  But the template could validly upmerge to both of these categories until such time as it is used on sufficient articles.  But in that case, again,  would be valid because it would then have a validly filled subcategory.  There is no 1980s-romantic-drama-film-stub template, but there probably should be, as the 23 articles noted above (amongst untagged others) could validly use such a tag -- and it would remove the need to tag with both 1980s-romance-film-stub and romantic-drama-film-stub.  Note that tagging with a year of release tag also helps us to put this in a subcategory under .  Such cannot be done if we tag only with non-dated templates. (And yes, it is *quite* likely that an editor would be more familiar with films from a particular decade and want to focus on the decade rather than editing films from all of cinema history). Dawynn (talk) 13:17, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Like I said, sometimes stub categories need to be broken down by decade because of size. But per WP:STUB, it serves no purpose to add multiple stub tags to an article, if one or two are already sufficient to cover the subject's main notability. Therefore, it is usually unnecessary to create a stub tag to indicate decade of release if 1) there aren't enough articles using it to meet the threshold, and 2) all the articles involved already have a genre stub tag that is more specific. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete what's a romance film and what reliable source says so? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional technopaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. (non-admin closure)  Valoem   talk   contrib  22:01, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional technopaths to Category:Technopaths
 * Technopathy is a fictional power. We don't have articles about real people who claim to have this ability. Nerd in Texas (talk) 13:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose as inconsistent. Category:Fictional characters is a well established category tree, there is no reason to start renaming parts of this category to remove the designation. --Andrewaskew (talk) 00:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose the fictional category tree should carry "fictional" to be clear, and to be futureproof (and religion/myth proof in other cases) -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 06:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing research into "mind-machine" interfaces (such as thought identification) for prosthetic and other applications is a real science. --173.51.221.24 (talk) 03:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


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Category:JCIS

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to . All comments after the nomination except one were in favor of merging it in this fashion or outright deletion. Deleting with merging the contents to the natural parent  is therefore a fair result. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:JCIS to Category:Members of the Japan Council of International Schools
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. To avoid abbreviations, and added "Members of" to make it more clear . Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 05:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * delete These school associations are rarely defining of the schools themselves. Schools can be members of all sorts of associations, and can join or leave them at any time for various reasons. There isn't enough here for a topic category on JCIS, and as a set category it fails WP:DEFINING.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:International schools in Japan. No evidence that membership of the association is defining, but being an international school is defining.  AFAICS, there is a lot overlap between this category and the target, but by mergeing the bots will ensure that nothing is lost. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:10, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep (category creator) -- Many organizations in Japan call themselves international schools, but lack accreditation or a truly international curriculum. The schools that are members of JCIS are a distinct subset of the much larger category of Category:International schools in Japan.  I agree with the original suggestion of renaming the category. --- Shaney. (talk) 00:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Schools can become accredited, or loose their accredidation with any given organization, but if they ever were accredited, they will remain in the category. The cat creator seems to want a list more than a category, and even then he seems to be trying to use wikipedia to advance a class distrinction of schools. This is clearly not the type of thing categories should be used for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:International schools in Japan per BrownHairedGirl. —  dain  omite   07:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Morphology

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting morphology


 * Nominator's rationale: Any category whose "main article" is a dab page and whose members (including in subcats) cover a wide range of topics (e.g. p-Dimethylaminocinnamaldehyde, Green Bean Galaxies, Orongorongo River, LGBT, Top-hat transform, Coffin ship, Pollen, Peanut, Tree stump, Crisp sandwich, Plant use of endophytic fungi in defense and Examples of in vitro transdifferentiation by initial epigenetic activation phase approach) is virtually asking to be brought to CFD. The history shows that the category creator was aware that the main tag points to a dab page so this category may be intended to collect any article/subcat with "morphology" in its name (rather than collecting articles about a specific topic). There are already separate categories for the main subjects that have "morphology" in their name (e.g. Geomorphology). DexDor (talk) 04:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as a WP:DEFINING categorisation. (Category creator.) Morphology is a broad type of classification system which groups by shape (including more abstract ideas of shape, such as in linguistic morphology), this category collects the various morphological systems. The question here is not whether its subcategories cover a lot of material (they do), but as to whether an overarching class of taxonomies is a meaningful grouping that is likely to be useful to readers and editors ("definingness"). I would say yes, but that is why I created the category. There is a great deal more work done (within Wikipedia, and without) on biological taxonomy than other classes, but we can speak meaningfully about non-biological taxonomic systems. --Andrewaskew (talk) 06:11, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * keep but reorganize This should be a container class for the main articles for morphology in each field, and for the corresponding subcats. Period. There's really some argument for making a real main article for this. Mangoe (talk) 12:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -- While techically the main article is a dabpage, it is in fact more like a list article, with 4-5 redlinks. The Greek morpheo means I change.  Morphology is therefore the study of change.  Naturally change is studied in many contexts.  The problem is the lack of a proper main article covering all types of this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You say Morphology is ... the study of change, but the category creator says "Morphology ... groups by shape ...". Which meaning is this category referring to? DexDor (talk) 21:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Subfields and areas of study related to evolutionary biology

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Subfields of evolutionary biology. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Subfields and areas of study related to evolutionary biology to Category:Evolutionary biology subfields
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a child category to Category:Subfields by academic discipline. Other terms used for similar subcategories, for example, are Category:Branches of biology, Category:Economics by specialty, Category:Subfields of geology or Category:Linguistics disciplines. Modeling the proposed category after any of these examples is preferable to the clunky and awkward language the category currently has. Liz  Read! Talk! 00:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom (or to "Subfields of evolutionary biology" which I think is a slightly clearer name) and if necessary add inclusion criteria. Note: This is the only category in enwiki with a name containing "areas of study". DexDor (talk) 04:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be fine, too! Liz  Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 20:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Subfields of evolutionary biology per DexDor's suggestion. That format seems to have several parallels in Category:Subfields by academic discipline. The current title is unnecessarily verbose.  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Subfields of evolutionary biology per DexDor's suggestion and BHG's comment. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


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