Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 November 19



Numbers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. I will ask a mathematician, or WikiProject Mathematics, to assist with the post-move cleanup. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Zero to Category:0 (number)
 * Propose renaming Category:One to Category:1 (number)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The designated "main articles" for the categories are 0 (number) and 1 (number), respectively. Zero (disambiguation) and One (disambiguation) give many possible meanings for the words. These were nominated in the speedy section but it was suggested that a full discussion would be helpful, given the nature of the contents of the categories. Note that the categories, , and also exist and are populated to varying degrees. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Category:Zero to Category:0 (number) – C2D per 0 (number) Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Object to speedy rename I think this deserves discussion, as, it's not really about the number zero, per the description and the contents. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 08:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Category:One to Category:1 (number) – C2D per 1 (number) Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Object to speedy rename I think this deserves discussion, as, it's not really about the number one, per the description and the contents. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 08:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support I don't see why the rest of the categories use the numbers and these two use the names. Duonaut(talk &#124; contribs) 03:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Partial Support Support renaming Category:One but Upmerge Category:Zero with the same argument as David. Duonaut(talk &#124; contribs) 15:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Alternate I think these should be renamed, but I don't think they should be called "one" and "zero", as the null set is not a zero, the matrix additive identity is not a single number, the matrix multiplicative identity is not a single number. So unlike Two, Three, Four, etc, these two categories are not simply categories for the number they represent. I do not however have any good suggestions for what names they should have. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Partial support. The name change makes sense, but several of the articles now in Category:Zero such as empty set are more about nothingness than about a numerical value and should be moved to the parent category Category:Nothing. (The alternative would be to upmerge the categories, leaving 0 as a number without a category, a strange state of affairs.) —David Eppstein (talk) 07:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support – perhaps some articles need to be re-categorised, but this is the case with most categories. Oculi (talk) 10:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT-related documentary films about religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related documentary films about religion to Category:Documentary films about LGBT and religion
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related documentary films about Christianity to Category:Documentary films about LGBT and Christianity
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related documentary films about Jews and Judaism to Category:Documentary films about LGBT and Judaism
 * Nominator's rationale: With this successful CFD, and now, this one, I believe we have the basis to rename the LGBT and religion docs. The key advantages would be a) the removal of "-related," reflecting a concern that these films be squarely about the topic and not just tangentially related and b) the now-established precedent courtesy of the 2nd Cfd that we don't need to repeat "topics," that LGBT and Fooian religion can be treated as a topic. I know I break with the pattern for the Judaism, but I don't know what else to do. And again, there's a community consensus that these films need to be about LGBT Jewish issues -- religiously or culturally -- over and above the fact that a documentary subject happens to be a Jew. So I'm okay with the change in this case -- though others may have a better option. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support much clearer naming convention and readily understood. Focuses the fact that the topic is the interaction of these two topics. Reduction to Judaism seems fine to me, as I expect the content most likely covers Jews from a religious perspective, not a non-religious perspective (though I may be wrong here). SFB 22:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * yes I think all the current articles do address the religious aspect enough to fit under the rename, though you raise a point that the hatnote on Judaism addresses: "For consideration of ethnic, historic and cultural aspects of the Jewish identity, see Jews." Which is why the "Jews and Judaism" form is used, I'm sure. I suppose down the road we could try and create another category structure, for culturally Jewish docs, if they exist (I suspect they do). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support, proposed title better demonstrates the intersection of the 2 subjects. (what makes a film an LGBT-related film about Christianity and not a Christianity-related film about LGBT?) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Ragdoll Fanciers' Club International

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ragdoll fanciers' club international


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Recently-created circular category with one proper member and limited (or no) potential for growth. Red rose64 (talk) 13:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete unlikely that content will ever appear that would merit this category. SFB 22:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * DElete -- Probably a NN club. If it might deserve an article (though I doubt it), but certainly nnot a category — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkingiron (talk • contribs)


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Category:Turkish carpets, rugs and kilims

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish carpets, rugs and kilims to Category:Turkish rugs and carpets
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the convention of Category:Rugs and carpets. A kilim is merely a type of flat tapestry-woven carpet or rug, and so its inclusion in the title is not essential. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support reduces redundancy and matches usual convention. SFB 22:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


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2000 births by month

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:2000 births. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting january 2000 births


 * Propose deleting february 2000 births


 * Propose deleting april 2000 births


 * Propose deleting may 2000 births


 * Propose deleting july 2000 births


 * Propose deleting august 2000 births


 * Propose deleting september 2000 births


 * Propose deleting october 2000 births


 * Propose deleting november 2000 births


 * Propose deleting december 2000 births


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. This takes the additional step by categorizing births by month of a specific year but doesn't seem too different from Category:Births by month and day from 2006 and tries to pop up now and again. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 05:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all to Category:2000 births. A person's month of birth is typically non-defining, and this type of categorization is too narrow to serve as a general "demographics" category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all to Category:2000 births. Oculi (talk) 11:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to year of birth. The year of birth serves as a blunt way of grouping contemporaneous people. The month of a person's birth generally does not give any greater degree of relation between the subjects. People are generally not socially divided by month of birth, as opposed to years (e.g. school cohorts, etc). I support the continuation of the yearly birth categories as these are the better option over decade categories (which would be very large and gather people of comparatively distant ages). SFB 22:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge: I remembered that I actually created these categories a while ago but didn't use them much more afterwards; and after reading some of the other comments, I think that I must agree.  -Fim atic   (talk &#124; contribs) 23:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge birth months are not defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge All before our birth cats get as out of control as the death ones. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree: Upmerge. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


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