Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 November 2



Category:East Liverpool players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:East Liverpool players to Category:East Liverpool (minor league baseball) players
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Merge duplicate category. Both could be merged to Category:East Liverpool Potters (baseball) players as this team only existed for two seasons before becoming East Liverpool Potters (baseball). Tassedethe (talk) 22:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Endorse merge to the East Liverpool (minor league baseball) page.. but the Potters should remain separate as it was a separate version of the team that played in a different league. Spanneraol (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Tetrapods by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tetrapods by country


 * Or upmerge those categories that aren't deleted (e.g. Category:Birds by country) to Category:Vertebrates by country. DexDor (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Algeria‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Algeria
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Angola‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Angola
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Anguilla‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Anguilla
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Argentina‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Argentina
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Australia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Australia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Belize‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Belize
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Benin‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Benin‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Bolivia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Bolivia‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Botswana‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Botswana
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Burkina Faso‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Burkina Faso
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Burma‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Burma‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Burundi‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Burundi‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Cambodia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Cambodia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Cameroon‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Cameroon‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Canada‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Canada‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Cape Verde‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Cape Verde
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Central African Republic‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Central African Republic‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Chad‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Chad‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Colombia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Colombia‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Costa Rica‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Costa Rica
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Cuba‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Cuba
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Cyprus‎ to Category:Fauna of Cyprus‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Democratic Republic of the Congo‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Dominican Republic‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Dominican Republic
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Ecuador‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Ecuador
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Egypt‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Egypt
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of El Salvador‎ to Category:Vertebrates of El Salvador‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Equatorial Guinea‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Equatorial Guinea
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Eritrea‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Eritrea
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Ethiopia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Ethiopia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of France‎ to Category:Vertebrates of France
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of French Guiana‎ to Category:Fauna of French Guiana‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Gabon‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Gabon‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Gambia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Gambia‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Ghana‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Ghana
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Guinea‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Guinea‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Guinea-Bissau‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Guinea-Bissau‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Guyana‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Guyana
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Haiti‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Haiti
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Honduras‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Honduras‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Israel‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Israel
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Ivory Coast‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Ivory Coast
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Japan‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Japan
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Kenya‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Kenya
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Laos‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Laos‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Lesotho‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Lesotho
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Liberia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Liberia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Madagascar‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Madagascar
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Malawi‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Malawi
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Mali‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Mali‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Mauritania‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Mauritania
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Mexico‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Mexico
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Morocco‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Morocco
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Mozambique‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Mozambique
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Namibia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Namibia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Nicaragua‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Nicaragua
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Niger‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Niger
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Nigeria‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Nigeria
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Pakistan‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Pakistan
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Panama‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Panama
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Peru‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Peru
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Philippines‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Philippines
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Portugal‎ to Category:Fauna of Portugal
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Puerto Rico‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Puerto Rico
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the Republic of the Congo‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the Republic of the Congo
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Rwanda‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Rwanda‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Senegal‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Senegal‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Sierra Leone‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Sierra Leone
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Somalia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Somalia‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of South Africa‎ to Category:Vertebrates of South Africa‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of South Korea‎ to Category:Vertebrates of South Korea‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Sri Lanka‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Sri Lanka‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Sudan‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Sudan
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Suriname‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Suriname
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Swaziland‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Swaziland‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Syria‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Syria‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Taiwan‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Taiwan
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Tanzania‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Tanzania
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Sardinia‎ to Category:Fauna of Sardinia‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of the United States‎ to Category:Vertebrates of the United States
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Thailand‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Thailand‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Togo‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Togo‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Trinidad and Tobago‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Trinidad and Tobago‎
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Tunisia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Tunisia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Uganda to Category:Vertebrates of Uganda
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Venezuela‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Venezuela
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Zambia‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Zambia
 * Propose upmerging Category:Tetrapods of Zimbabwe‎ to Category:Vertebrates of Zimbabwe


 * Note: The subcats have not been CFD tagged, but can be if that is considered necessary.
 * Nominator's rationale: Until recently "Vertebrates of Foo" categories were divided into (up to) 5 subcats (for fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals). An editor (with a history of creating problematic categories) has recently inserted a tetrapods layer into the category structure - thus each "Vertebrates of Foo" category now has just 2 direct subcats (for fish and tetrapods).  Whilst there is (afaik) nothing wrong taxonomically with grouping amphibians/reptiles/birds/mammals as tetrapods, it's not the usual way that animals are categorized (in books, zoos etc; words like "vertebrate", "invertebrate", "fish" and "mammal" are used much more frequently than "tetrapod").  Thus, I believe that the tetrapods layer is an unnecessary complication (for both readers and editors) to the wp category structure.
 * Note: This CFD only covers part of Category:Tetrapods. I propose to wait for this discussion to conclude before nominating other parts of the Tetrapods tree.  Note: it could also be argued that for many animals (e.g. Link rat or Common waxbill) being found in, for example, Gabon is WP:NON-DEFINING, but I suggest we leave that to a separate CFD discussion. DexDor (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support All For background on prior discussions, please see User talk:NotWith. My concern is more with the WP:NON-DEFINING that the nominator alludes to and grouping widespread animals under tons of country categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support all As noted above, User:NotWith has long been creating highly problematic categories without ever engaging in discussion. There are multiple problems with these (and many other categories created by this user):
 * They are too small: instead of starting with a large category and asking how far it should sensibly be split up, these are categories that have been "inserted" into an existing category hierarchy, breaking it down too finely.
 * They are not defining, either at the level of the taxonomic group (tetrapods are a meaningful category only to specialists) or at the level of the country.
 * Experience suggests, however, that NotWith will continue to create new categories faster than they can be cleaned up, so this may well be a futile exercise unless and until some action is taken against them. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In this close I did suggest how to deal with this so that administrators could have a clear basis for action. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Vegaswikian, could you clarify what you mean by "formal warnings". Non-admins have been placing "please stop" messages, but these appear to be ignored (as are the CFD messages). This user has been receiving warnings for a long time - e.g. in 2008 when editing as Nono64 on French wp we get comments like "... has brought nothing but trouble since he arrived in the fall of 2006.", "... persistence despite warnings and discussions disrupt the encyclopedic work" and "does not respond ... and continues" (Google translate from ).  I.e. the user's behaviour has changed little in 6 years.  This user is creating categories at a rate that can exceed 100 a day. DexDor (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * uw-vandal1 or others that are available. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The pattern tends to be: NotWith creates a category, NotWith moves articles/cats into that category, the category is CFD'ed, NotWith doesn't respond, the category gets deleted, a bot removes the category tag from pages (and during the week+ that the CFD is open NotWith has created several hundred more categories). Nowhere in that pattern is any edit actually reverted so a template saying "I undid one or more of your recent contributions" isn't appropriate.  Note: Some of NotWith's CFDs from a while ago (e.g. Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_29 and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_3) have not yet been closed. DexDor (talk) 18:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If that is not an appropriate action and tagging look in Category:Standardised user warning templates or here for something better. I elected to not block since I was not comfortable with the warnings I saw.  That does not mean another administrator would have the same problems.  I just checked and there are no new warings on the talk page. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support all – I would support the rollback of all Notwith's edits. Oculi (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support deleting tetrapod categories. Vertebrate of country catgories have the same problem as the tetrapod categories (i.e., an unnecessary step in the category tree that is unlikely to ever have more than 5 subcategories). I'd also suggest deleting the vertebrate categories and upmerging everything to Fauna of country categories. Most of the vertebrate categories seem to have also been created by NotWith. Plantdrew (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Film Director & Producer

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting film director & producer


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Appears to be a mistaken creation. The only content is correctly categorized under Category:Dutch film producers and Category:Dutch film directors. Tassedethe (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete A good faith creation, but a mistake.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnecessary. Both occupations already have their own separate subcategories, and we don't need a third one to hold people who happen to be both. Bearcat (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Philips Sports Manager of the Year navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. If there are ever more templates that could be in this category, in can be recreated at that time. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting philips sports manager of the year navigational boxes


 * Nominator's rationale: Category created for one template only. Not a beneficial category in any way. SFB 14:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Cornettists

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as duplicate; redirect to Category:Cornett players. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cornettists


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete (Speedy deletion?). There has been a category Category:Cornett players for same purpose. --Tijd-jp (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect this is a potential target where the reader may not be aware of the normal name. Should be emptied and kept as a redirect. SFB 00:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


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Réunionnais people

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people by religion to Category:People from Réunion by religion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais Christians to Category:Christians from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais bishops to Category:Bishops from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais Roman Catholic bishops to Category:Roman Catholic bishops from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais Roman Catholics to Category:Roman Catholics from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais Muslims to Category:Muslims from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Réunion by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose renaming Category:American people of Réunionnais descent to Category:American people of Réunion descent
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of African descent to Category:People of African descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Asian descent to Category:People of Asian descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of European descent to Category:People of European descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of French descent to Category:People of French descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Mozambican descent to Category:People of Mozambican descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Tamil descent to Category:People of Tamil descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Thai descent to Category:People of Thai descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Ukrainian descent to Category:People of Ukrainian descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people of Vietnamese descent to Category:People of Vietnamese descent from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais men to Category:Men from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais sportsmen to Category:Sportsmen from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais women to Category:Women from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais sportswomen to Category:Sportswomen from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais beauty pageant winners to Category:Beauty pageant winners from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais women in politics to Category:Women from Réunion in politics
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais people by occupation to Category:People from Réunion by occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais clergy to Category:Clergy from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais criminals to Category:Criminals from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais film directors to Category:Film directors from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais horticulturists to Category:Horticulturists from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais musicians to Category:Musicians from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais religious leaders to Category:Religious leaders from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais slaves to Category:Slaves from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais sportspeople to Category:Sportspeople from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais athletes to Category:Athletes from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais cyclists to Category:Cyclists from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais footballers to Category:Footballers from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais handball players to Category:Handball players from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais football managers to Category:Football managers from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais writers to Category:Writers from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais dramatists and playwrights to Category:Dramatists and playwrights from Réunion
 * Propose renaming Category:Réunionnais poets to Category:Poets from Réunion
 * Nominator's rationale: Following the closure of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_6, which upheld Category:People from Réunion as the main category over "Réunionnais people", I propose we move the descending categories to match that format. This is done on the basis that Reunion is a sub-region of France, so should be treated in the same way as Category:People from Paris, for example, which contains Category:Clergy from Paris‎ etc. SFB 11:03, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:C2C, naming convention for that category tree. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


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