Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 November 8



Category:Enchanted video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; upmerge contents as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting enchanted video games


 * Nominator's rationale: Category only contains one article. It is unlikely that Disney will create more Enchanted video gamed, but if it does, the category can always be recreated. JDDJS (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to all parents i.e. Category:Enchanted (film), Category:Disney video games and Category:Video games based on films. Where the articles in a category are (correctly) not also in the parent categories, why do nominators keep proposing deletion instead of merging to multiple parents? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:56, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, not needed and ambiguous. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:28, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge seems moire appropriate to me.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


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Category:African-American speculative fiction films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents to Category:African-American films. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting african-american speculative fiction films


 * Nominator's rationale: Too board of a category. There no clear definition of what an "African-American speculative fiction film" is JDDJS (talk) 19:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete is there any proof this is a notable genre? Could an article be written? Moreover, suffers all the problems of a "films about" category: how much about "African-American speculative fiction" must a film be, and what reliable sources tell us it's at least that much? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now I don't understand the rationale. Is there an objection against African-American films, or an objection against speculative fiction films? If there isn't an objection against neither of the two, there shouldn't be an objection against the combination either. While if there is an objection against either African-American films or against speculative fiction films then the whole branch should be nominated and not just this intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Speculative-fiction is not a normal method of categorizing. Also, there is no clear definition of what makes a film "African-American".John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:African-American films, as I am assuming that these have been categorised here in good faith. There is no need to also merge to, as there are distinct sub-categories within that and I have just marked it as a container category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim communities by continent

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 * The result of the discussion was: relist at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 December 17 due to wrong link in nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting muslim communities in africa
 * Propose deleting muslim communities in asia
 * Propose deleting muslim communities in europe
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. The parent "by continent" was deleted following Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 5, but although these categories for each continent were tagged, they were not listed for deletion. I am making this as a procedural listing, without expressing a view either way. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per prior result - per continent is not a good way to organize ethnic/community articles. Unless someone can show that Muslim communities in Continent A differ from those in Continent B, but I doubt it, given that general Muslim view that one's religion and one's geographic location are not related (see Ummah vs. Sha'ab). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * keep The purpose of categories is to help readers navigate to articles and these categories serve that purpose. Certainly, there can no argument that these groups are somehow not important and not interesting subjects of study.  Category:Muslim communities in Africa has 11 subcategories and 61 direct articles. Many of these groups are transnational, having existed long before the current African states.  Without this category, there is nothing in WP to connect these groups together as being located in Africa.  Same with Category:Muslim communities in Asia with its 7 subcats and 6 direct articles.  Category:Muslim communities in Europe has 2 subcats and 171 direct articles--but this category needs cleanup as it has many national articles that don't belong here and are very arguably not communities such as are found in the Africa category.  Cleanup requirements do not equal deletion.  Neither do arguments about the tenants of Islam.  These categories are about groups of people, not religious doctrine. Hmains (talk) 06:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -- the African category is largely about Msulim majority tribes. This contrasts with the by country categories where I am voting differnetly.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Hmains. 92.19.28.179 (talk) 01:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim communities by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:58, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting muslim communities by country


 * Added to this nomination on relisting:
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of China
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of the Gambia
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of India
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of Indonesia
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of Nepal
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of Pakistan
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of the Philippines
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of Russia
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities of Senegal
 * Propose deleting Category:Muslim communities in Sierra Leone


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Decision should be made on the same basis as Category:Muslim communities. See Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 16. Goustien (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and probably next delete most of the tree per my comments in the CFD above. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This seems to be being properly used. Typically people of a particular ethnicity share a religion.  Where that religion is Islam, they are correctly called a "Muslim community".  In India, "community" is a euphemism for (often endogamopus) castes.  I think the category deleted in  April last years was being used for places where there were some Muslims, whether or not this was mentioned in the article.  I am open to a rename, if somethign better than "community" can be found, but for the moment it will do.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong delete We whacked this as a false characterization. The fact that a portion of a population is of a given religion should not be used to ascribe that religion to the ethnicity as such. This is a horrible practice. It reinforces the attempts to stigmatize those who convert to other religions. While Wikipedia is not to right great wrongs, it should not create them, but that is exactly what it does with this false ethnicity=religion type of categorizing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * keep per Ethno-religious group Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: also listing the sub-categories this time.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Category:Muslim communities of India looks justified, as it has pages on communities that are explicitly Muslim such as Bedia (Muslim caste), Kashmiri Muslims and Muslim Bandhmati. If there is a consensus to delete it, its six sub-categories by state e.g. Category:Muslim communities of Bihar should probably be nominated for deletion as well. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * keep these and restore Category Muslim Communities which should never have been deleted. These categories go into the parent Category:Ethnoreligious groups, unless WP only allows Christian and Jewish groups in that category and no Muslims. Hmains (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as the purpose of this is to categorise ethnic groups as religious groups. This is not necessarily true (see here). Being a certain ethnicity does not guarantee a religious perspective and we should not conflate these trees as it disrespects religious minorities in those groups (see here for a good example of why categorising Uyghur people direclty within the Islam tree is not wise. SFB 05:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that the earlier deletion was an error; fortunately, we're not bound by precedent. Ethnicity, religion, location, and nationality, all of them exist and make suitable categories separately and in various combinations  DGG ( talk ) 09:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Most Muslims would not consider this to be defining, see Ummah, but WP must pigeon-hole everyone, I suppose. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:34, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete the three African items, which are merely repeating tribal categories, usually covering several countries, becuase post-colonial boundaries are no tribal ones. In India, these are effectively Muslim castes: "community" is a euphsmism for the politically incorrect "caste"; similarly in other Asian countries we are dealing with tribes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, per DGG 92.19.28.179 (talk) 01:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The very existence of this category contributes to the marginalization of those in these ethnic groups who chose to not be part of Islam, but some other religion, be it atheism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


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Category:S-train stations

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:S-train stations to Category:Copenhagen S-train stations
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. As in List of Copenhagen S-train stations. S-train alone is not universally known to be located to Copenhagen. All categories in Category:Rapid transit stations are named by their geographic location. 109.43.3.235 (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


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