Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 September 9



Category:Sport in the Philippines

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all and salt top category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in the Philippines to Category:Sports in the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in the Philippines by sport to Category:Sports in the Philippines by sport
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in the Philippines by province to Category:Sports in the Philippines by province
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport deaths in the Philippines to Category:Sports deaths in the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Metro Manila to Category:Sports in Metro Manila
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Aklan to Category:Sports in Aklan
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Batangas to Category:Sports in Batangas
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Benguet to Category:Sports in Benguet
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Bulacan to Category:Sports in Bulacan
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Camarines Sur to Category:Sports in Camarines Sur
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Cavite to Category:Sports in Cavite
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Cebu to Category:Sports in Cebu
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Davao del Sur to Category:Sports in Davao del Sur
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Ifugao to Category:Sports in Ifugao
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Ilocos Norte to Category:Sports in Ilocos Norte
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Iloilo to Category:Sports in Iloilo
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in La Union to Category:Sports in La Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Laguna (province) to Category:Sports in Laguna (province)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Lanao del Norte to Category:Sports in Lanao del Norte
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Masbate to Category:Sports in Masbate
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Misamis Oriental to Category:Sports in Misamis Oriental
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Negros Occidental to Category:Sports in Negros Occidental
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Negros Oriental to Category:Sports in Negros Oriental
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Nueva Ecija to Category:Sports in Nueva Ecija
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Occidental Mindoro to Category:Sports in Occidental Mindoro
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Oriental Mindoro to Category:Sports in Oriental Mindoro
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Palawan to Category:Sports in Palawan
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Pampanga to Category:Sports in Pampanga
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Pangasinan to Category:Sports in Pangasinan
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Quezon to Category:Sports in Quezon
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Rizal to Category:Sports in Rizal
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Zambales to Category:Sports in Zambales
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Zamboanga del Sur to Category:Sports in Zamboanga del Sur
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Sports" is more appropriate here because the Philippines generally uses U.S. English—it was administered by the U.S. for many years. This same rename was agreed to in 2010, but it keeps getting changed speedily in apparent ignorance of this previous discussion. The main article is Sports in the Philippines. (For the same reasons, the sport categories for Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands also use "Sports".) Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I think i prefer convenience following standard wiki-wide convention than having to abide by dialectal accuracy. Also the Filipino (Tagalog) for it is isport.1--RioHondo (talk) 02:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That could be one approach to take, but the U.S., Palau, FSM, and Marshall Islands ones already use "Sports", so it appears that we are using the WP:ENGVAR approach. And of course we wouldn't use the Tagalog word, as this is the English Wikipedia. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure American English is used consistently in all past and present US colonies and territories. Looking at another example: Category:Transportation in the United States, while the Philippines, Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands follow the US example, you have Category:Transport in Palau and Category:Transport in the Marshall Islands following the more popular convention. Btw, do you have a list of countries using American English?--RioHondo (talk) 01:39, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Whether or not on Wikipedia, in reality Palau and the Marshall Islands both definitely use U.S. English when English is used there. I don't have a formal list, but I generally understand it to be the U.S. and its current territories, Philippines, Palau, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, pockets of Canada, and probably Mexico. I don't know of others, though there may be some in Central America, South America, or the Caribbean. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per the previous discussion and salt. Vegaswikian1 (talk) 02:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per the previous discussion and the article. US English is appropriate here. (And watch the main category.) Oculi (talk) 09:46, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename I think there is a clear consensus that this is the preferred naming convention. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:58, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Norman and Medieval London‎ + Economy of Norman and Medieval England

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:41, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Norman and Medieval London‎ to Category:Medieval London‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Economy of Norman and Medieval England‎ to Category:Economy of Medieval England‎‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Norman is part of Medieval anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename -- I very much doubt that we know enough specifically about Norman London to split between Norman and Plantaganet periods. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:37, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Highlife albums by Nigerian artists

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Highlife albums by Nigerian artists to Category:Highlife albums and Category:Albums by Nigerian artists
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:SMALLCAT. Doesn't seem there'd ever be a lot here (or at least not for quite a while) to require diffusion by nationality. Suggest upmerging to Category:Highlife albums and Category:Albums by Nigerian artists. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose, has 4 sub-cats, and is a worthwhile part of Category:Albums by Nigerian artists by genre. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:39, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support with caveat Upmerge to both Category:Pop albums by Nigerian artists and Category:World music albums by Nigerian artists. See also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_12. . —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose: per Fayenatic, plus Highlife genre is a popular genre in Nigeria and most other West African countries, so this category can be easily populated.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Japanese Folk

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese Folk to Category:Japanese folk culture
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match new parent, Category:Folk culture (the creation of which was agreed at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 16. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per previous discussion to create a clear overarching container for folk material. SFB 22:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Fractal zoom software

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fractal zoom software to Category:Fractal software
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename as WP:SMALLCAT. Just created, along with the parent category; they each have only one member page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support merge to fractal software. Further subcategories are not required at this point. SFB 23:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Mischling

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Mischlinge
 * Are we really categorizing people according to Nazi pseudo-scientific concepts?
 * Propose deleting mischling


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Are we really categorizing people according to Nazi laws? ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The people in the category appear in a list in the Mischling article (and a number of them were prominent Nazis.) — Robert Greer (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete – not a defining characteristic. The word does not occur in the sample of articles I picked, and thus cannot possibly be defining. Oculi (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete another unmaintainable racial category, with a really appalling name. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete presents BLP issues as a likely slur. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:British courtiers

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy merge WP:C2E, keep as redirect. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:26, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British courtiers to Category:Members of the British Royal Household
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Category clearly created in good faith by an editor unaware of the existence of the other category, but which entirely duplicates it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I created the British courtiers category and have no objection to a merger. Tim! (talk) 16:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Philosophy maintenance categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting philosophy maintenance categories


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a very unusual category with an unclear purpose (its text says "This category contains all the primary categories in which one can reasonably expect that every philosophy article would be contained. It is here to make monitoring and maintenance of articles more convenient for use in WP:AWB."). For info: There is Category:Category-Class Philosophy articles and WikiProject Philosophy/Working categories. For info: There is a related discussion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_28. DexDor (talk) 05:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support This is the purpose of things like Category:Category-Class Philosophy articles. Such a category is not required. I also would support further merging of the contents of Category:Wikipedia administration by topic into the WikiProject categories where such categories belong. SFB 23:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Wrongfully accused

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:45, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wrongfully accused to Category:Wrongfully accused people
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I don't know if this category should exist or not, but if it does, then surely we need to indicate that it is for people. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The existence of this category doesn't feel right to me, but I don't know if we violate any rule or guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That was kind of my gut feeling too. The people in it are people who were primary suspects for a particular crime but they were never tried for the crime and it was discovered later that they were wrongfully suspected. So the category certainly fits with how it's being used; it would also certainly be open to abuse, but I don't see any signs that it has been. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete three reasons (1) we don't have alleged categories (BLP), and this is very similar, (2) "wrongfully accused" tends to imply that the accusation was wrongful - where often, like many theories and arguments made in good faith was disproved or never put to test, and (3) subjectivity of inclusion: was Lee Harvey Oswald wrongfully accused? How about George Zimmermann? certainly each was named as a "prime suspect" of something but ultimately neither was convicted of what they were "suspected" of. Best be done with the cat here. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Some good points here, which I think is the essence of why my gut feeling was to feel that maybe it should be deleted. As it's being used in practice, it seems to be limited to people for which the facts are much more clear cut than Oswald or Zimmermann—it's being used in instances where the investigators (or whomever the accused was) have been quite upfront that they screwed up and that the suspected person was not involved, and for those who are included right now, one of the main reasons that the person is notable is that they were wrongfully accused. However, Carlos does point out some theoretical or potential issues, if nothing else. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is the Category:Wrongful convictions for people who were wrongfully convicted of crimes. But people are wrongfully accused all the time, and exonerated at various points in the legal process. That's one reason there are criminal defense lawyers. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:31, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * delete -- Too vague. This could cover people who were tried but acquitted; those whose conviction was quashed on appeal, and those who were acquitted on a technicality; but also cases where the prosecution failed to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, though the accused had in fact done the crime.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Hospital deaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all, move selected contents of top one to new Category:Hospital scandals under Category:Medical scandals. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:55, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hospital deaths


 * Propose deleting deaths at cedars-sinai medical center


 * Propose deleting deaths at bellevue hospital


 * Propose deleting deaths at beth israel medical center


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. I found these a little bit hard to believe when I ran across them. Categorizing people because their death occurred in a hospital, or in a particular hospital? This is overcategorization. Very few people are defined by the fact that they died in a hospital or by the particular hospital that they die in. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete individual hospitals - WP:OC not defining. -- 70.51.201.202 (talk) 05:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-defining.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-defining. I have argued for retaining 'burials' categories but these are ridiculous. Oculi (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep If it wasn't defining it would not appear in their obituary. That is how we have objectively determined what is defining in the past. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not really what "defining" means. The standard for what is defining has never been equated with everything that is mentioned in an obituary. See WP:CATDEF. In any case, there are likely multiple examples of obituaries of the people included in these categories that don't include a mention of the hospital that they died in. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * An obituary may say things like "He leaves a widow" or "His funeral will take place next Tuesday", but we don't categorize by those... DexDor (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment (as creator of but not the subcategories),  contains Furness General Hospital maternity ward deaths investigation, 2011 Stepping Hill Hospital poisoning incident and Toronto hospital baby deaths which are not articles about individual people. It could be renamed to something along the lines of  so that those articles are within in the  category tree. Tim! (talk) 16:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * , perhaps. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with that. Tim! (talk) 16:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep or rename top category, delete sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete subcats. Add text to top category explaining what the inclusion criteria are - also possibly rename it (per Tim!) and/or put it in the Category:Events tree. DexDor (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all dying in a hospital is not defining for people and we have no parallel categories like Category:Home deaths, Category:Hospice deaths, Category:Ship deaths, Category:Theater deaths, Category:Shopping mall deaths, and every conceivable place that people end up dying. we're asking for these by keeping these. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * rename Category:Hospital deaths to Category:Incidents at hospitals to handle the articles that are in that category and add inclusion criteria to indicate this is for deaths by misadventure or crime, not ordinary deaths. Hmains (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete All What's next, dying at a hospice? Dying at a hospital is not noteworthy or defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful to read the category article contents which are now generally 'deaths by murder at hospitals by medical staff'--clearly a noteworthy subject, whatever category name it might carry. Hmains (talk) 04:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmains there is no main article and the cateegory name is unclear. I'm open to a different category under a different name. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like Category:Murders in hospitals by medical staff Hmains (talk) 03:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * DElete all -- The institution where a person died is NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths at Auburn State Prison

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge biography pages (remove article on the prison). – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths at Auburn State Prison to Category:Prisoners who died in New York detention
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. We don't usually categorize people by the specific location of their death, whether it be a city or a building. We do categorize prisoners who died while imprisoned: see . This could be simply upmerged to . Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator's analysis. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support -- Deaths in custody is worth having, but not a split by prison. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of Australian Christianity

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Australia religion-related lists and other parents or more specific sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of Australian Christianity to Category:Christianity in Australia-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is not one of a series, so there is no "standard" naming convention to adopt, but it's basically a list category for topics related to Christianity in Australia, so I think the proposed name makes this clearer, and it matches the parent . Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It can be a personal thing but for me the dash was confusing. I initially read it as |Christianity|in|Australia-related lists|. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a hyphen, but point taken. The "FOO-related lists" format is pretty commonly used, even when "FOO" is more than one word. To absolutely avoid confusion, we could go with the, but that is less commonly in these types of category names. I think it's not perfect, but it's certainly better than what exists right now, I think. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What about no hyphen at all: Category:Christianity in Australia related lists? Again, don't bother if it would be just for me :-) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * We could. I bet though that it would eventually be nominated speedily by someone to add in the hyphen, since that's the usual format. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Any reason why this isn't better deleted and content upmerged? The parent Category:Australia religion-related lists is light and the lists are better placed and located in the specific subcategories (e.g. Category:Presbyterian denominations in Australia). SFB 23:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I would not object. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably merge to parent; possibly rename to match its style. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


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