Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 April 16



26th-century BC deaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to century categories per Alternative below. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose delete Category:2566 BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2589 BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2570s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:26th-century BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2566 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2589 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2560s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2580s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2560s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2570s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2580s BC
 * Nominator's rationale: delete the first four categories per WP:SMALLCAT, one article per category. No need to upmerge, because the first three articles are already in another branch of the tree of Category:26th-century BC people while the article in Category:26th-century BC deaths shouldn't be in this tree anyway (not a defining characteristic List of bog bodies). After deleting these first four categories all the next parent categories become empty. There are now no less than 11 categories for only four articles, this is altogether really a poor example of WP:OC. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * If we delete these, then articles like Sneferu will have no year category. How do we solve that? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That's right, then he'll only be in the tree of Category:26th-century BC people, by virtue of Category:Pharaohs of the Fourth Dynasty of Egypt being a grandchild category of Category:26th-century BC people. Also please note that the article mentions there is big uncertainty about the duration of his reign, hence about the year of his death, so also from that point of view categorizing his death in 2589 BC is undesirable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Going through these categories makes me dizzy: you go 2 or 3 levels deep just to find 1 article. It's hard to see how the current structure aids navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 13:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:26th-century BC deaths and merge the rest into it. The inclusion of a redirect for one bog body may be appropriate.  Annual categories at distant periods are a menace (rather than an aid) to navigation, butn they should be merged up to something that might get populated.  It may be that 3rd millenium BC death categories should also be deleted, but that ought to be left for another day, which other annual and decade categories have been eliminated.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Category:26th-century BC deaths and upmerge the contents into this, per Peterkingiron's recommendation. A century category is useful, at the very least. Sionk (talk) 06:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note to closer, the alternative proposal by some editors above is as follows:
 * Propose merge Category:2566 BC deaths to Category:26th-century BC deaths
 * Propose merge Category:2589 BC deaths to Category:26th-century BC deaths
 * Propose merge Category:2570s BC deaths to Category:26th-century BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2566 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2589 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2560s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2580s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2560s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2570s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2580s BC
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * For consistency with the next century proposals, which have already been closed as merge/delete in line with the alternative proposal of this nomination, I would recommend to close this nomination also according to the alternative proposal. We then have consensus here. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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27th-century BC deaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to century categories per Alternative below. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:07, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose delete Category:2613 BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2686 BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2613 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2686 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2610s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2680s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2610s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2680s BC
 * Propose delete Category:27th-century BC deaths
 * Nominator's rationale: delete the first two categories per WP:SMALLCAT, one article per category. No need to upmerge, because the respective two articles are already in another branch of the tree of Category:27th-century BC people. After deleting these first two categories all the next parent categories become empty. There are now no less than 9 categories for only two articles, this is altogether really a poor example of WP:OC. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Needlessly specific and not serving any purpose in navigation between articles. Agree that century-people category is sufficient enough for all contents. SFB 22:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete All Too small and little chance for growth. RevelationDirect (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:27th-century BC deaths, at least for the moment. Merge the rest into it.  We may never get these well populated and I am open to a future deletion of all the century categories, but that should be a deiscussion for another day.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Category:27th-century BC deaths and upmerge the contents of the others into this, per Peterkingiron's recommendation. A century category is useful, at the very least. Sionk (talk) 06:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note to closer, the alternative proposal by some editors above is:
 * Propose merge Category:2613 BC deaths to Category:27th-century BC deaths
 * Propose merge Category:2686 BC deaths to Category:27th-century BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2613 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2686 BC
 * Propose delete Category:2610s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2680s BC deaths
 * Propose delete Category:2610s BC
 * Propose delete Category:2680s BC
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please close according to alternative proposal, see remark on 26th century BC, just one nomination above this one. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Actors in the Nigerian Military Coup of February 13, 1976

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Actors in the Nigerian Military Coup of February 13, 1976 to Category:Participants in the 1976 Nigerian military coup
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent category. I can't see the difference between "actors" and "participants" in the coup. Missed this category in the discussion on 3 April. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, looks like broken English. Brandmeistertalk  21:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge as above - this could be speedied. Neutralitytalk 04:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge -- Obviously the same thing. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


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Cricket centurions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
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Per a discussion I raised previously at WT:CRIC (but I then forgot about). I think there's a difference between a notable achievement and a defining attribute to the individual. This is the former, not the latter. This is what I posted previously: "From Wikipedia:Overcategorization § Non-defining characteristics, "if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article, it is probably not defining". I'm not saying that scoring a century isn't notable, but is it something to categorise an article by? Do people really think of Geraint Jones and think - "oh yes, that player who score a century in Test cricket for England!" (no disrepect to Mr Jones, he is a fine player)." Triggered from a recent memory jogging edit to Jermaine Blackwood, who scored a century yesterday. Notable (to him)? Of course. Defining? No.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Per nominator, making a century isn't a defining characteristic of these individuals. – PeeJay 08:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Unnecessary over-categorisation. Dee  03  13:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all for over-categorisation as above. Taking Geraint Jones as a continuing example and given that he is an unusual case, his "defining characteristics" include being a 21st century cricketer who is a wicket-keeper, has played first-class cricket for Kent and Gloucestershire, Test cricket for England and LOI for PNG; and therefore is unusual as a player who represented two countries at international level. The fact that he has scored a Test century is an achievement but listing everyone who has done that in a category (or taken 5wI or a hat-trick, etc.) does not add value. Jack | talk page 19:28, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Listify A perfectly useful piece of information, but this facet is not so defining that one would need to navigate between such biographical articles themselves on this basis. A list format covers this information in a much more satisfying manner. SFB 22:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Lists for each of the countries covered already exist. – PeeJay 09:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete What you lot already said. --Dweller (talk) 09:58, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom/above.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  05:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Sovereigns of Vatican City

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. All these sovereigns are also in Category:Popes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * obvious delete exactly as nom says. Mangoe (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - silly. Neutralitytalk 04:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Utterly unnecessary. A "Popes" category can directly be in a sovereigns category without the intervention of this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I assume the category was created in good faith to ensure Category:Heads of state by country had an entry for Vatican City –Category:Popes doesn't seem like it should be included there, given hardly any popes have actually been the Vatican's head of states.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  05:57, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * By far the most popes have been head of state though, namely of Papal States. So I'm supporting Peterkingiron here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


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University of South Alabama athletics

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 07:27, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:South Alabama Jaguars basketball to Category:South Alabama Jaguars men's basketball
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 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The University of South Alabama has transitioned away from "Lady Jaguars" as a women's sports nickname. All women's teams have been known simply as "Jaguars" since 2013–14; most actually made the change earlier. A look around the university's official athletics site, usajaguars.com, will confirm that all women's teams have made said change. — Dale Arnett (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that the categories within the South Alabama athletics tree that contain the name "South Alabama Jaguars and Lady Jaguars" are the subject of a speedy CFR request. Those are covered by speedy criterion C2D, since the main article for the athletic program was moved to South Alabama Jaguars some time ago.


 * Rename per nom. Pichpich (talk) 18:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


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