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Category:Wiley-Blackwell academic journals associated with learned societies

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:28, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wiley-Blackwell academic journals associated with learned societies to Category:Wiley-Blackwell academic journals
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intersection between and . Who the publisher is and whether or not a journal is "associated" with a learned society are rather independent qualities. Randykitty (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. I created that category. Discussion already happened in the context of Category:Elsevier academic journals associated with learned societies, as per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_January_26. Fgnievinski (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge -- Some academic jounrals come from a learned society, which appoints the editors; others are purely proprietory. I do not think the difference is significant.  Possibly a list might be useful.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * WB is specialized in publishing journals for/with societies. My guess is that at least three quarters of all journals that they publish are in some way associated with a society. Better to categorize them in "WB academic journals" and a society-related cat. --Randykitty (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge The publisher and the client are distinct here. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Political parties of Indiana, North Dakota

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Political parties of Indiana to Category:Political parties in Indiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I created this category, but accidentally used "of" rather than "in". The other categories of this sort use "in". KConWiki (talk) 17:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Also, would someone be able to help me find the appropriate template to use to propose merging (rather than renaming) tjhe categories Category:Political parties of North Dakota and Category:Political parties in North Dakota? Thanks KConWiki (talk) 20:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Done for Category:Political parties of North Dakota (does Category:Political parties in North Dakota need a tag?). Re your own creations, with an error you can just put "db-author" within brackets " – " on the category for deletion Hugo999 (talk) 01:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. kennethaw88 • talk 02:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Political parties of Idaho

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:19, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Political parties of Idaho to Category:Political parties in Idaho
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. I created this category, but accidentally used "of" rather than "in". The other categories of this sort use "in". KConWiki (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. kennethaw88 • talk 22:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Affection video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete both as duplicates to the same editor's recent creation Category:Affective video games, which at least matches an article title. That editor has declined to comment despite a request at the related CFD linked below.  – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting affection video games


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization: category holds a single (inappropriate, IMHO) subcategory. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 11:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Empty duplicate of Category:Affection in video games. Brandmeistertalk  19:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: there are more, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_3; let's keep the discussion there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


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Czech periods

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. -- slakr  \ talk / 03:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Prehistoric Czech Republic to Category:Prehistoric Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:11th century in the Czech Republic to Category:11th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:12th century in the Czech Republic to Category:12th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:13th century in the Czech Republic to Category:13th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:14th century in the Czech Republic to Category:14th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:15th century in the Czech Republic to Category:15th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:16th century in the Czech Republic to Category:16th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:17th century in the Czech Republic to Category:17th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:18th century in the Czech Republic to Category:18th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:19th century in the Czech Republic to Category:19th century in the Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:20th century in the Czech Republic to Category:20th century in the Czech lands
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. While it may be acceptable in common parlance, technically there was no Czech Republic in those periods. Category_names generally suggests using historical names in such cases. The History of the Czech Republic currently redirects to more general History of the Czech lands. Brandmeistertalk  09:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Support I'm unsure how prevalent České země is to describe this, but it seems quite common sense and is a clear improvement anyway. SFB 11:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Neutral per this discussion of yesterday. Note: if renamed, then Category:History of the Czech Republic by topic and all of its child categories need to be renamed as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Question: for consistency, shouldn't the 20th century be renamed as well? Category:20th century in the Czech lands would then serve as a container category for the Bohemian, Czechoslovakian and Czech 20th century respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't mind. Brandmeistertalk  08:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Prefer a manual split into Bohemia and Moravia. In terms of mechanics, it may be by renaming to Category:12th century in Bohemia and then purging where necessary into Category:12th century in Moravia etc.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Preferably not, as I would expect that we categorize these centuries by state, not by region. So Czech lands = (Duchy of, Kingdom of) Bohemia from some point of time in the Middle Ages until 1918. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Peterkingiron brought me to an alternative idea. Wouldn't the following make more sense from a contemporary polity point of view?
 * Propose renaming Category:Prehistoric Czech Republic to Category:Prehistoric Czech lands
 * Propose renaming Category:11th century in the Czech Republic to Category:11th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:12th century in the Czech Republic to Category:12th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:13th century in the Czech Republic to Category:13th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:14th century in the Czech Republic to Category:14th century in Bohemia
 * Propose merging Category:15th century in the Czech Republic to Category:15th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:16th century in the Czech Republic to Category:16th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:17th century in the Czech Republic to Category:17th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:18th century in the Czech Republic to Category:18th century in Bohemia
 * Propose merging Category:19th century in the Czech Republic to Category:19th century in Bohemia
 * Propose renaming Category:20th century in the Czech Republic to Category:20th century in the Czech lands
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That would require verifying whether Bohemia indeed applies to the categories' entire content. "Czech lands" just seems to be more embracing, with less headache. Brandmeistertalk  10:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've checked the 11th to 15th century to start with and there seems no objection to it from that perspective. Either the articles explicitly refer to Bohemia or they just don't mention the contemporary polity but mention the name the city (Prague, Jihlava). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename to Bohemia; and purge what doesn't belong the "Czech lands" is unverifiable and subjective - borders have changed numerous times over the years. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename all away from Czech Republic. Support Marcopelle on Bohemia. Czech Lands is problematic in that at times large %s of the population self identified as German, not just in Sudetenland, but also in Prague.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:United States building and structure stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Valid but contradicting C2C arguments from both sides. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Propose renaming:
 * Category:United States building and structure stubs to Category:American building and structure stubs


 * Category:United States airport stubs to Category:American airport stubs
 * Category:United States bridge (structure) stubs to Category:American bridge (structure) stubs
 * Category:United States railway bridge stubs to Category:American railway bridge stubs
 * Category:United States religious building and structure stubs to Category:American religious building and structure stubs
 * Category:United States church stubs to Category:American church stubs
 * Category:United States Anglican church stubs to Category:American Anglican church stubs
 * Category:United States Roman Catholic church stubs to Category:American Roman Catholic church stubs
 * Category:United States dam stubs to Category:American dam stubs
 * Category:United States hospital stubs to Category:American hospital stubs
 * Category:United States hotel stubs to Category:American hotel stubs
 * Category:United States lighthouse stubs to Category:American lighthouse stubs
 * Category:United States mast stubs to Category:American mast stubs
 * Category:United States cemetery stubs to Category:American cemetery stubs
 * Category:United States museum stubs to Category:American museum stubs
 * Category:United States power station stubs to Category:American power station stubs
 * Category:United States prison stubs to Category:American prison stubs
 * Category:United States railway station stubs to Category:American railway station stubs
 * Category:United States restaurant stubs to Category:American restaurant stubs
 * Category:United States shopping mall stubs to Category:American shopping mall stubs
 * Category:United States sports venue stubs to Category:American sports venue stubs
 * Category:United States synagogue stubs to Category:American synagogue stubs


 * Rationalle: All structure categories (except for the UK and US) use the adjective forms, and the established adjective form for the US is "Amercian" (see Stub types for deletion/Log/2010/October/8 for an earlier discussion where this was accepted). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:27, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment since these are essentially administrative categories, we might alter them to Category:USA building and structure stubs, etc. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Peterkingiron. The stub templates are not called "American", they are called "US" -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Stub categories follows the naming of other country-related categories. we have Category:Buildings and structures in the United States and not Category:American buildings and structures. Beagel (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And we have Category:Buildings and structures in the Philippines, not Category:Philippine building and structures, but the stub category is Category:Philippine building and structure stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Beagel. If we really need two reader-side category schemes they should be consistent to avoid unnecessary confusion and maintenance overhead. DexDor(talk) 06:04, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:United Kingdom building and structure stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Valid but contradicting C2C arguments from both sides. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Propose renaming:
 * Category:United Kingdom building and structure stubs to Category:British building and structure stubs


 * Category:United Kingdom airport stubs to Category:British airport stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom bridge (structure) stubs to Category:British bridge (structure) stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom castle stubs to Category:British castle stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom church stubs to Category:British church stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Anglican church stubs to Category:British Anglican church stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Christian monastery stubs to Category:British Christian monastery stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom Roman Catholic church stubs to Category:British Roman Catholic church stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom hospital stubs to Category:British hospital stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom hotel stubs to Category:British hotel stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom listed building stubs to Category:British listed building stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom museum stubs to Category:British museum stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom art museum and gallery stubs to Category:British art museum and gallery stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom railway station stubs to Category:British railway station stubs
 * Category:United Kingdom sports venue stubs to Category:British sports venue stubs


 * Rationalle: All structure categories (except for the UK and US) use the adjective forms, and the established adjective form for the UK is "British" (see Stub types for deletion/Log/2010/October/8 for an earlier discussion where this was accepted). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:27, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This opens a can of worms, according to how the term British is to be applied. Strictly, it only covers England, Scotland and Wales, not Northern Ireland, but the Unionist population of Northern Ireland would linch you for suggesting that they are not British, whereas the Republican population would do likewise for suggesting that they are British.  Nevertheless, since this is an adminstrative category, United Kingdom might be contracted to UK.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The stub category should be consistent with the parent non-stub-specific category which is Category:Buildings and structures in the United Kingdom. DexDor(talk) 06:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please note that we generally use the "Buildings and structures in Foo" for the non-stub categories, and the "Fooian building and structure stubs" for the stub categories; my nomination is to fix these from "Foo building and structure stubs" to "Fooian building and structure stubs". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Still oppose. Don't fix one "problem" by introducing a worse problem. DexDor(talk) 05:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose the stub templates are not called "British" they are called "UK" -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No dofferent from the person-related stubs - the stub tags are "UK-", but the categories are "British". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Lang Labor members of the Parliament of New South Wales

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lang labor members of the parliament of new south wales


 * Nominator's rationale: "Lang Labor" was a loose label applied to the followers of New South Wales Premier Jack Lang in multiple splits of the Australian Labor Party, occurring at different times and not necessarily involving the same people each time.


 * There is a project going on to recategorise Australian politicians by party, and everywhere else this has been done by actual party, not multiple parties hashed together as here. The editor who created it is doing a lot of the recategorising but has refused to participate in any of the actual discussion, and I'm a bit frustrated that this is the second time I've had to take a category to CfD that there wasn't consensus to create in the first place. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep or split. This one I actually think is pretty fair, especially since the Category:Lang Labor politicians category has existed for years (and was established by consensus). The Lang Labor politicians category has always had a disclaimer at the top clarifying that it includes the various different parties. Alternatively this category could be split according to the relevant distinctions (i.e. Category:Australian Labor Party (Non-Communist) members of the Parliament of New South Wales). It also raises an interesting question about how we handle Lang Labor at NSW state level (I mean, technically that's everyone 1931–36, right?) but that's something we needn't get into here. Frickeg (talk) 07:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * To be clear, this nomination is to split it: in every other state, we've grouped them all by actual party, and I don't see why we should group the various non-contiguous Langite splinter parties together. The previous discussion was extremely brief, and I think we've taken a different tact with parties in the seven years since then! The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I created this following the example of Category:Lang Labor members of the Parliament of Australia. This is at least as important a phenomenon at the NSW as at the Commonwealth level. If it existence is to debated both should be included.--Grahame (talk) 08:04, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to include the federal category but agree that the same applies in both cases - it would be nominated here as well except I hadn't noticed it sooner. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge both this and Australian Parliament child to the parent. The divisions by Parliament are not distinct enough to warrant creation. Overall, there is no dichotomy here, so it doesn't make sense to create that sense with a two-child-category structure. SFB 12:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This was created as a result of an extensive discussion about a new category structure around categorising Australian MPs by party, which would get thoroughly broken if it were randomly upmerged in places. I would thoroughly oppose this, as would basically everyone else who contributed to that discussion. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


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