Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 3



Category:Mark Alsop

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedied as a G7 since author requested deletion. Bearcat (talk) 17:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mark alsop


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC violation for a person who doesn't have the volume of spinoff content needed to properly justify one — the only thing in here as it stands right now is a single photo of him, and the only new things that could be added to it beyond that are his main article and a second photo. Eponymous categories are not a thing that every person who has an article automatically gets just because they exist — there has to be a navigational need for it by virtue of there being a sizable volume of related content beyond that which is already linked directly from the main article. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 22:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. I created this in error. - Shiftchange (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * On that basis, I'm going to withdraw the nomination and just speedy this G7 ("only substantive author requests deletion"). Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Out growths in Andhra Pradesh by district

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete after recategorizing contents to Villages. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Out growths in Andhra Pradesh by district to Category:Towns in Andhra Pradesh by district
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no such category for any other country. There is no definition of what does "out growth " mean . It should be merged, Shyamsunder (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can check Out growth article for more info. It is not relate to other countries, as this definition is as per Census of India 2011. Merging this to Towns of AP is not correct, as the definition itself says "an urban settlement contiguous to another (like towns or a City) with all urban characteristics, but it is not qualified as an independent town.--Vin09 (talk) 07:13, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Villages in Andhra Pradesh by district and merge contents to villages articles. These places are explicitly not towns but villages.John Pack Lambert (talk) 09:12, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Neither of these quite works. I would call these suburbs beyond the legal boundary of the town.  In America, we have had categories created for the Greater-foo Metropolitan Area, though that consists of foo city and a number of adjacent built up counties (or such like - I am not American and may not have it quite right).  Should the out growths and the city itself not be categorised in a similar way?  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Of the two outgrowths here, one is the outgrowth of a town with 54,000 people. This is hardly the level to justify having specific categorization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:Out growths in Andhra Pradesh by district, and deal with its members as follows: merge Category:Out growths in Guntur district to its other parent Category:Villages in Guntur district, merge Category:Out growths in Srikakulam district to Category:Villages in Srikakulam district. These categories already have "villages" parent categories, and Out growth repeatedly refers to "village" as the prime example for what an out growth is. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:British synchronized swimmers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) sst✈(discuss) 10:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:British synchronized swimmers to Category:British synchronised swimmers
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian synchronized swimmers to Category:Australian synchronised swimmers
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand synchronized swimmers to Category:New Zealand synchronised swimmers
 * Propose renaming Category:South African synchronized swimmers to Category:South African synchronised swimmers
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic synchronized swimmers of New Zealand to Category:Olympic synchronised swimmers of New Zealand
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic synchronized swimmers of Australia to Category:Olympic synchronised swimmers of Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic synchronized swimmers of Great Britain to Category:Olympic synchronised swimmers of Great Britain
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic synchronized swimmers of South Africa to Category:Olympic synchronised swimmers of South Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: MOS:ENGVAR. Timmyshin (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- all use British orthography. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Private universities in the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Private universities in the United Kingdom to Category:Private universities and colleges in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Making the category broader would allow institutions like New College of the Humanities to be included. It would also fit with the parent categories Category:Private universities and colleges by country. Salix alba (talk): 07:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion -- but it will need a headnote limiting it to colleges offering degree courses, to keep out secondary schools, such as Winchester College and Eton College, which are public schools, not tertiary colleges.
 * Comment Suggest an alternative Category:Private universities and higher education colleges in the United Kingdom similar to the article List of universities and higher education colleges in London. But with either suggestion, it may need to be moved up from Category:Universities in the United Kingdom to Category:Universities and colleges in the United Kingdom. (I moved Category:Lists of universities and colleges in the United Kingdom and Category:People by university or college in the United Kingdom in this way and similar cleanup may be needed in and around these categories). Some background:
 * Universities in the United Kingdom:
 * in the Lead "Institutions that hold degree awarding powers are termed Recognised Bodies, this list includes universities, university colleges, colleges of the University of London, higher education colleges, and the Archbishop of Canterbury."
 * in the Legal Status section "All UK universities are independent bodies; unlike in the US and other European countries there are no government-owned universities. Instead, 'public' universities are considered to be those who receive funding directly from one of the funding councils for teaching and research, while 'private' universities are funded by tuition fees alone."
 * in the Funding section "The vast majority of United Kingdom universities are government financed, with only five private universities (the charitable University of Buckingham and Regent's University London, and the profit-making University of Law, BPP University and Arden University) where the government does not subsidise the tuition fees."
 * List of universities in the United Kingdom: "This is a list of Universities in the United Kingdom.... Below that are lists of university colleges and colleges of higher education" ... "These should not be confused with colleges of further education, which offer a different level of qualifications."
 * University college: "In the United Kingdom, the use of the word "university" (including "university college") in the name of an institution is protected by law and must be authorised by an act of parliament, a royal charter, or by the privy council." Whizz40 (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What is your opinion on the alternative offered by Whizz40? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Salix alba (talk): 10:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I see little point in providing a longer name. In UK, all universities are independent bodies run by senior academics, led by a vice-chancellor.  The Chancellor is generally a mere figurehead.  However moist depend heavily on government funding.  The statement above as to "private universities" is basically correct.  I believe Regents is a branch of an American university (I may be wrong).  The distinction needs to be made between institutions that award degrees, usually their own; also colleges (such as Bible Colleges) that offer degree courses where these are endorsed by and the degrees awarded by universities on the one hand and colleges that offer courses towards A-levels (school leaving exam at 18) or trade or professional qualifications.  The latter are "Further Education Colleges"; or "Sixth Form Colleges".  The term college is also used for a variety of "Public Schools" (which are in other countries terms "private schools"; these include Eton College, Winchester, Harrow and a number of other famous ones, usually teaching from the ages 13-18.  The term "university college" is to some extent obsolete, as most have been promoted to the status of university.  At one period they did not award their own degrees, usually those of London University.  Having said all that, I think that we could keep the present name, but with a head note saying that it includes colleges offering degree courses; and that institutions not teaching degree courses should not be included, including further education colleges, sixth form colleges and public schools.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * In my view, private higher education colleges should not be added to this category unless the name is changed and the category is moved up from Category:Universities in the United Kingdom to Category:Universities and colleges in the United Kingdom. This is consistent with the definition of universities quoted above and the hatnote at the top of these categories as well as the way the subcategories and articles mentioned above are currently organised. Whizz40 (talk) 21:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


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