Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 31



Category:Bush Pioneers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bush pioneers


 * Nominator's rationale: This seems non-defining. We don't typically categorize people by who they've politically supported or given money to. BDD (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nomination; categorizing by who people give money to is non-defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Sexual and gender prejudices

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 18. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose move Category:Sexual and gender prejudices to: Category:Sexuality and gender-related prejudices.
 * Nominator's rationale: as per offspring Category:Sexuality and gender-related slurs, per initial category explanatory content: " Articles related to prejudices based on gender and sexuality. " and per accuracy. Its not, for instance, about sexual preference and the prejudicing of personal choice not to consider one gender in relationship.  GregKaye 12:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Gender-based violence

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 18. Relisting due to the fact the category was not tagged. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose either split of Category:Gender-based violence to:
 * Category:Gender related violence;
 * Category:Gender identity related violence and
 * Category:Sexuality—sexual orientation related violence;
 * or move to: Category:Sexuality and gender-related violence
 * Nominator's rationale: While the majority of the category content relates to gender related violence (► Rape‎ (11 C, 53 P) ► Transphobic violence‎ (3 C, 10 P) ► Violence against men‎ (7 C, 19 P) ► Violence against women‎ (18 C, 73 P)) sexuality based violence remains a huge issue especially in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but in situations where a potential victim is forced to keep a low profile for the sake of safety and within situations in which executions etc. may be interpreted to have been poorly reported. I think that either a split or a move would be beneficial.  GregKaye 12:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Partial support for split . A split between Category:Gender related violence and Category:Sexual orientation related violence seems to make sense as these are two clearly distinct topics. I'm not sure to what extent Category:Gender identity related violence would add something to the current Category:Transphobic violence. Minor detail: can nominator explain why the name of the 3rd category should be Category:Sexuality—sexual orientation related violence instead of just Category:Sexual orientation related violence? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * At second glance, I notice there is also Category:Violence against LGBT people. This suggests that the nominated category is already supposed to exclude sexual orientation related violence and this would probably make the split redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm wondering if this can be accomplished by being bold and adding sub-categories to the existing category. This seems like a complex split for a closing admin to manage. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Move not all the items or subcats now in this are gender-related, rather than sex-related (not synonymous). An example: rape. In many jurisdictions rape may be committed by any gender against a victim of any gender (same as fraud, robbery, etc.). What differentiates rape is sex, not gender. As fraud and robbery, etc., are mostly about property, not sex. Thus moving to something like Category:Sexually- and gender-related violence (not "Sexuality", as again "rape" may be committed for reasons of violence or control upon victims of any gender or "sexuality", or even lack "sexuality" like committed virgins) would be most in keeping with the current contents and purpose. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree in principle, but rather than finding a difficult name it may be easier to move Category:Rape completely out of this tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It may be that this umbrella's difficulty in definition is because we're trying to create some combination and title it that the real world doesn't use. If so, that's WP:OR or WP:SYNTH kind of. Dropping rape might simplify things, but it'll keep getting re-added I think by those who haven't been in on this discussion. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Nominator, what's your view on the comments made? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle to be honest I think both alternatives have their advantages with both being better than the existing situation. Whatever other editors and the closing admin think is good with me.  Sorry if that wasn't helpful but I will keep the issue in mind.  GregKaye 12:02, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:FA-Class National Football League/New York Giants subproject articles

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fa-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting a-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting ga-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting b-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting c-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting start-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting stub-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting fl-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting list-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting template-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting na-class national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting unassessed national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting top-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting high-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting mid-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting low-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting na-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Propose deleting unknown-importance national football league/new york giants subproject articles


 * Nominator's rationale: I tried to C1 one of these but it was rejected. Instead of wasting time, all these categories are empty because the actual template are putting them into the equivalent Category:FA-Class New York Giants articles and the like categories. Category:New York Giants articles by quality and Category:New York Giants articles by importance contains both similar categories even though only one is actually being used. Besides, that title is better than this one. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * To be more clear, these categories are and will always be empty because the template for NY Giants stuff goes into New York Giants articles classes so there is nothing in Category:Top-importance National Football League/New York Giants subproject articles because it's all in Category:Top-importance New York Giants articles. It's cleanup. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Could you re-read and copyedit your nomination because as it stands I find it completely incomprehensible? Thincat (talk) 10:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's because of to  which occurred over two years ago. Prior to that, ASSESSMENT_CAT was not set but National Football League/New York Giants subproject was set, so talk pages were categorised into  etc.; by setting New York Giants articles, talk pages are now categorised into  etc. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all This CFD would appear to be overdue tidying up. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Debt buyer

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep without prejudice to a future -s rename proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Debt buyer to Category:Debt collection
 * Nominator's rationale: Recently-created category that seems redundant to  Red rose64 (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Whilst the two are certainly related there is a distinction as far as 'ownership' of the debt is concerned. A debt collector does not 'own' the debt, whereas a debt buyer does. There are separate articles (Debt buyer and Debt collection) which seems to legitimise the two categories. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I created the category as a result of a review of literature regarding the debt industry at the corporate level in the financial industry and found that this term does not refer to the average debt collection agency using individual phone calls, pay check collect, repossession, etc but to more complex financial interactions between corporate debt buyers, major banks, credit unions and increasingly the strategically planned flooding of courts with cases the debt buyers rarely lose. The Wall-Street Journal 2010 headline reads "Boom in Debt Buying Fuels Another Boom—in Lawsuits." The boom is not in debt-collecting which is subcontracted, but in debt-buying where large corporations buy and repackage debt. New York Times 2015 headline reads "Debt Buyer Faces Fine and Loss of Thousands of Court Judgments." The thriving debt industry is both a cause and consequence and of the creation of complex financial instruments such as credit default swap (CDS), (where groups of poor loans that are packaged), distressed debt with hedge funds, private equity firms and units of investment banks, sometimes called vulture funds.[10][11][12][13] as major buyers.Oceanflynn (talk) 15:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be speedily renamed to Category:Debt buyers if kept, right? --BDD (talk) 17:37, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks BDD (talk) Debt buyers is preferable.Oceanflynn (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe and  pretty much nailed it.  As for 's comment, the plural appears to be the normal practice.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep but as Category:Debt buyers. The term might also be applied to debt factoring, which is a means of companies improving their cash flow and not limited to distressed debt.  However, some high street banks engage in that kind of financing.  It would not to useful to include them, just because debt factoring is part of their business.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Do not merge a buyer of debt owns debt (like a bondholder, or Treasury Bill buyer) whereas a debt collector comes to break your legs for not paying, but does not usually own the debt (unless it's the mob) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


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