Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 5



Category:WikiProject Seduction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:07, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject seduction


 * Nominator's rationale: no longer required after the WikiProject was deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Seduction. JohnCD (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Question by nominator: there are 20-odd subcategories; do they get taken care of automatically, or do I need to tag and list them all? JohnCD (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The subcats (which contain no pages) are now all CSD-tagged - C1/G6/G8 (incidentally, it looks like there's a bug in Twinkle when there's an explanation given for G6 and G8).DexDor(talk) 17:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The subcats have now all being deleted leaving Category:WikiProject Seduction empty. Perhaps some admin coming across this will give it the coup de grâce. DexDor(talk) 20:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Actually there is still a sub-cat, but that has a speedy nomination and both should be deleted, now the project has gone. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia unused portal templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia unused portal templates


 * Nominator's rationale: This empty category has no inlinks - which indicates that it's not being used as part of any process. If a portal template is found to be unused then either take it to TFD or leave it be; there's no need to put such a template in a category like this. Note: This is the only category named "Wikipedia unu..." in en wp. DexDor(talk) 21:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Unless someone comes her to claim it. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Disambiguation pages with links

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting disambiguation pages with links


 * Nominator's rationale: This category (which currently contains 5 pages - I've just removed several that weren't even dab pages) is redundant to the database reports (e.g. this) that editors (especially the members of WP:DPL) use to fix inlinks to dab pages. Note: There's no inlinks to this category from WP:DPL etc. (Note: If not deleted then this category should be moved to a lower level parent category.) DexDor(talk) 20:42, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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Motorsport venues in Baku

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Motorsport venues in Baku to Category:Motorsport venues in Azerbaijan and Category:Sports venues in Baku
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge, as there's only one motorsport venue with an article in Azerbaijan, let alone Baku; this category is really not needed. QueenCake (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * obvious upmerge Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Grand Theft Auto V screenshots

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) ssт✈(discuss) 07:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Grand Theft Auto V screenshots to Category:Grand Theft Auto screenshots
 * Propose merging Category:Grand Theft Auto III screenshots to Category:Grand Theft Auto screenshots
 * Propose merging Category:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City screenshots to Category:Grand Theft Auto screenshots
 * Propose merging Category:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas screenshots to Category:Grand Theft Auto screenshots
 * Propose merging Category:Grand Theft Auto IV screenshots to Category:Grand Theft Auto screenshots
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. As each category contains non-free media, they will never grow large due to minimal usage criteria. It is more logical to merge these small categories into a single media category for the series. The1337gamer (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, certainly but do we need it at all? My slogan is "one franchise, one category" so that the screenshots should be in Category:Grand Theft Auto (series). Peterkingiron (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Screen shots should be in an 'Images' category. Oculi (talk) 19:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge. We couldn't have much more than a couple screenshots per game per fair use anyway. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Baltimore Claws players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ssт✈(discuss) 08:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting baltimore claws players


 * Nominator's rationale: Per all basketball wikiprojects, team categories are applied to players once he subject appears in a regular-season or playoff game for that franchise. The Baltimore Claws were a franchise in the now-defunct American Basketball Association, but they folded prior to the start of the ABA season. Therefore, no player has ever appeared in an official game for the franchise. Propose deletion on these grounds. Rikster2 (talk) 16:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Technically can't be a player for a team that never played a game.—Bagumba (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This team has no all-time roster because nobody ever played for it. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Dishes created from scraps

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dishes created from scraps


 * Nominator's rationale: Apart from the ambiguous term 'scraps' (is it leftovers, organic discards, etc.), this category is generally not a good idea. See Category:Prepared foods by main ingredient for current prepared foods hierarchy. Mind  matrix  16:50, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Far too many things are borderline. Is this scapped from previous cooking or scapped from cutting up meat for example. Some things like stew meat are sometimes the left overs from other meat cuts, but sometimes made deliberately from whole chunks of the animal.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- too wide-ranging to be useful. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Question Was anything in the category prior to nomination? RevelationDirect (talk) 10:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There were three articles that I removed from these categories:
 * The same files (and also ) were removed by earlier that day.  Mind  matrix  13:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Too subjective. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The same files (and also ) were removed by earlier that day.  Mind  matrix  13:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Too subjective. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Too subjective. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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American people of Huguenot descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:American people of Huguenot descent.
 * Nominator's rationale These American people of x descent essentially stand as near ethnic categories. We have them because people in the United States identify with their German, Dutch, Polish or Italian ancestry in clear ways, even though it is often not pervasive enough to count as an ethnicity. In fact this form of name was adopted more for precision than anything else, the previous names were confusing since Itlaina-American people was not 100%clear if it was Italians in the United States or Americans in Italy. The problem is that Huguenots ceased to be a clear religious or ethnic group in the United States before there was a United States. In the vast majority of cases this is citing a trivial fact of one ancestor several generations back, normally so far back that the last ancestor who thought of themselves as a Huguenot died before the first ancestor the subject knew was born. This ends up being a case of genealogical trivia that has no definition of anything related to the person. For the same reason we should not upmerge to the French ancestry categories because for most of these people it is a trivial non-defining fact, for some of them never know to the subject themself.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I agree that this may go too far back to be useful. However, I am not convinced that they merged into the majority quite as soon as you are suggesting.  There are still one or two churches in London for a Huguenot community.  Some one changed all the dual nationality categories to "Boo people of Foo descent", except for American ones which he may have considered too complicated to tackle.  However that is the form to be preferred even in American cases.  For someone living in 20th-century America, having a Hugenuot ancestor would be genealogical trivia.  However for an American man of 1790, who had emigrated in 1760 and whose father was a Huguenot silk weaver in the East End of London, worshipping in a French Church, it might be highly relevant.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, this is not a category about those in England. The issues there are different. I read somewhere, I can't remember where, where the Hugenots were cited as the quitessential example of a group that merged into the American main-steam and ceased to exist. John Jay, whose father was a Hugenot, insisted on writing of an ethnically homogenized America.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, also considering that the vast majority of biographies in this category contains 19th- and 20th-century people. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Christmas and winter holiday parades

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Christmas and holiday season parades. Based on the current members, no split seems necessary. (Disclosure: I just substituted a couple of members, using a redirect and a more specific article for the parades.)  – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Christmas and winter holiday parades to Category:Christmas and end of year holiday parades
 * Nominator's rationale: For a significant number of countries, ie those in the Southern Hemisphere, putting "Christmas" and "winter" in the same category is nonsensical. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternatively "Christmas and holiday season parades", which is consistent with Christmas and holiday season. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Support the alternative proposal Category:Christmas and holiday season parades. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong support to move from a name that makes no sense (it reached 40 °C in Adelaide, site of the first parade in the category, today). Support the category that fits a relevant article name, which seems to be Category:Christmas and holiday season parades. --Scott Davis Talk 08:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT 2 Parades held in December. If putting "Christmas" and "winter" in the same category is nonsensical, then putting "Christmas" and "holiday season" in the same category is equally nonsensical. This is all about tip-toeing around the fact that people, quite hypocritically, want to have the fun of Christmas while stripping it of its context. This is of course complete nonsense. Why have a parade at all if there is no Christmas? If people want to parade in the month of December with no religious connotations, that's absolutely fine. This alternative name caters for such events. There can also be a category for Christmas parades that have an explicit religious connotation. What there cannot be is a category that blurs the difference or pretends that there is no difference. That's just hypocrisy and a case of adding apples to oranges. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Many of the events currently in this category occur in November. Christmas and Winter only coincide north of the Tropic of Cancer. Does "festive season" work for people who object to "holiday season"? I recognise there can be confusion for people who typically take vacations mid-year with "holiday season" being at the end of the year. Thanksgiving, Advent, Christmas, Hanukkah, Boxing Day, Proclamation Day, Hogmanay, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, and no doubt more are in this "season". --Scott Davis Talk 12:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Are there Hanukkah parades? If so, I'd imagine that they'd be insulted to be joined to Christmas. Many non Christians participate in Thanksgiving parades; they too might be insulted to be joined to Christmas. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Support, or more generally support removing the word "winter", which is inaccurate for many of these events. These shouldn't be merged into a more general December category, as it's quite easy to tell when a parade is about the "holiday season" generally, or just an event that happens to be in December.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:13, 5 December 2015 (UTC).
 * ALT 3 Parades held at the end of the year. To cater for Thanksgiving. Which has nothing to do with Christmas. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If Thanksgiving has nothing to do with Christmas, why would we want them to be in the same category? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Split into Category:Christmas parades (overwrite redirect) and Category:Parades. Why combine things in one category if they don't belong together? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Object to ALT 2 and ALT 3; the word "and" in the proposal takes care of those considerations. Further, note that Category:Thanksgiving parades is not categorised in the category discussed here, so I don't see its relevance. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Split to  and . Those are things we have articles on. --JFH (talk) 20:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree on this kind of split anyway. Though most articles in the category mention they are a "Christmas parade" despite the article Santa Claus parade. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree with - the term is not used in many countries (see last paragraph of Santa Claus parade. In any case presumably the relevant criteria for inclusion in the category is Christmas in general, not one specific character. What about religious parades, eg Christmas Eve Procession, which are "Christmas" but not "Santa Claus"?
 * Splitting into anything and  is wrong.  or its replacement(s) should be a subcategory of . Mitch Ames (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm going to agree and change my mind, but we should move Santa Claus parade. As for my suggestion to split to parades, I just mean that any parade that isn't a Christmas parade shouldn't be in the same category. --JFH (talk) 14:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * On the split, same opinion here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Commment I agree entirely that Category:Christmas and winter holiday parades is nonsensical for half of the planet, but I think the category system provides us with a solution. Since we already have Category:Parades with subcats Category:Parades by city etc, let's create a subcat Category:Parades by theme and then from that we can create subcats Category:Christmas parades, Category:Winter parades, Category:Thansgiving parades etc which can also be subcats of Category:Christmas, Category:Winter, Category:Thanksgiving etc as appropriate. Then if you have a parade that is celebrating the winterness of your local Christmas, you can stick it in both Category:Christmas parades and Category:Winter parades. Tip: "and" in a category name is often an indicator that the category may not be well-designed. Kerry (talk) 00:40, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


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