Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 July 1



Category:Indian clerics‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (Based on recent results, it may be desirable in terms of consistency to now nominate Category:Indian clergy for merging to Category:Indian religious leaders.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:49, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian clerics‎ to Category:Indian clergy
 * Nominator's rationale: merge as the two categories have the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. No they don't! Category:Indian clergy seems to be all-Christian, so merge that to its bigger sub Category:Indian Christian clergy, and delete. Johnbod (talk) 18:15, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: "Clergy" is the word used in the category hierarchy by nationality. It would be possible to use a semi-automated tool to move the pages mentioned by Johnbod first, and then do the merge as nominated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course, for any Christian clergy in Category:Indian clergy, I would encourage having them moved to Category:Indian Christian clergy, either manually or semi-automatically. That's an issue that is pretty much independent of the merge proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've manually moved them, to get this issue out of the way. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Marcocapelle. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Category:Indian Christian clergy exists as a sub-cat of Category:Indian clergy, so there is no actual reason for the later to only have articles on Christians. There is a lot of unneccesary over-categorization going on here. I think we need to make a clear statements that for the purposes of Clergy categories, RES (religion, ethnicity, sex) categorization guidelines do not apply to religion. That is in religion categories we should not have to put someone both in a a Roman Catholic priests category and in a parent clergy category. Clergy should be able to be subdivided by religion without following non-diffusing rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Category:Indian clerics‎ includes Category:Indian rabbis and Category:Sikh gurus‎ who are typically not identified as clergy which is a Christian term. In fact, Category:Indian Islamic clergy is inappropriate as Category:Islamic religious leaders is the parent category. And Category:Indian priests are actually Christian priests and should be a subcategory of Category:Indian Christian clergy.
 * So what am I arguing? Clergy is Christian-specific and Cleric should be used as a more general category, rather than eliminating Clerics and putting all nonChristian religious leaders in a Clergy category. Liz  Read! Talk! 15:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The article Clergy discusses the term in relationship with all main religions, not just Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, Category:Indian priests can also contain Hindu priests, like Vishnubhat Godse, can't it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge remaining contents to Category:Indian religious leaders, per many precedents listed at Category_talk:Religious_leaders. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Religious figures from Varanasi‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Religious figures from Varanasi‎ to Category:Indian Hindu religious leaders and Category:People from Varanasi
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge. Despite the fact that Varanasi is a Hindu holy city, it seems more like a triviality when a religious leader was born or lived in this city. No other Indian cities are categorized like this. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: this also forms part of Category:People from Varanasi, and it's not WP:SMALLCAT. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I added Category:People from Varanasi to the nomination. The latter remark is right, this is not a case of WP:SMALLCAT but a case of WP:TRIVIALCAT as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:British Honduran constitutes established in 1961

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename C2A. A dish of cold fish is on offer for the contributors at Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 23 who omitted to support this. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:British Honduran constitutes established in 1961 to Category:British Honduras Legislative Assembly constituencies established in 1961
 * Nominator's rationale: Renaming to reflect the name of the legislative body in 1961, as well as to fix a glaring typo uncorrected in the previous nomination.  Oh No! It's Faustus37!  it is what it is - speak at the tone 21:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support And I do apologize for the typo which it seems you caught if no one else did lol. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - Speedy? as an obvious typo. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support the typo correction but I wonder if the longer category name is really necessary. Is there any risk of ambiguity here? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Categories for constituencies do normally specify the legislative body. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Medical journals by publisher

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medical journals by publisher


 * Nominator's rationale: overly specific and under-populated; we don't even have a Category:Science journals by publisher. Fgnievinski (talk) 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- It is not particualrly significant whether it comes from Maney, Wiley, Elsevier, etc. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:19, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I added the category as the German Wikipedia adds the same level of category below Medical Journals, and it would be valuable for people looking for these journals. It needs further sub-categories by publisher. It is not a good use of your time to get rid of this category. Try having a look at M19 motorway instead. This is 100% rubbish, and has been around for almost two whole years. DinosaursLoveExistence (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Few publishers only publish medical journals. The majority of journals in the lone entry in the cat (Category:Nature Publishing Group academic journals) are not even medical journals and don't belong in this cat at all. Very few people would call NPG a "medical journal publisher". "Journals by publisher" and "journals by subject" are two independent category trees and there is no good reason to mingle them. What the German WP does is their business, the different language wikis are quite independent on how they do things. What the M19 is doing here escapes me completely. --Randykitty (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OVERCAT/WP:NARROWCAT. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 04:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete +1 Randykitty. By the way, the German Wikipedia doesn't use this kind of category in scientific journals.--Shisha-Tom (talk) 10:47, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


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1800s establishments in Sri Lanka

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename Ceylon categories to Sri Lanka, keep Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy. —  ξ xplicit  07:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Option 1
 * Propose merging Category:1800s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1800s establishments in Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:1800s disestablishments in Ceylon to Category:1800s disestablishments in Sri Lanka
 * Propose renaming Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy to Category:1804 establishments in Sri Lanka
 * Propose renaming Category:1808 in Ceylon to Category:1808 in Sri Lanka


 * Option 2
 * Propose merging Category:1800s establishments in Sri Lanka to Category:1800s establishments in Ceylon
 * Propose merging Category:1800s disestablishments in Sri Lanka to Category:1800s disestablishments in Ceylon
 * Propose renaming Category:1803 disestablishments in Sri Lanka to Category:1803 disestablishments in Ceylon
 * Propose renaming Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy to Category:1804 establishments in Ceylon
 * Propose renaming Category:1808 establishments in Sri Lanka to Category:1808 establishments in Ceylon
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge one way or the other. At Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 11 it was agreed to use "Sri Lanka" before the colonial eras began in 1505, and "Ceylon" for the British colonial period 1815–1948 and the Dominion of Ceylon period 1948–72. That leaves a long period of intermittent and partial colonial interests, for which the naming has yet to be decided. strongly objected to the first line of option 1 as a Speedy nomination, on the grounds that "At that time the place would have been known as Ceylon or Zeylan. It was under the control of Europeans who were clearly using these names." However, that does not appear to apply to the Kingdom of Kandy in 1804, for which we have an article on an establishment. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge all to Ceylon, except leave Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy. Kandy was a distinct entity independent from Dutch rule and should be recognized as such in our categorization scheme.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Option 2 (except Kandy) -- The contemporary spelling was Ceylon. Kandy should probably be treated as a separate polity until 1815.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Fair enough, but how about renaming the category for Kandy from a year category to an establishments category, as there are no other year categories within Category:Kingdom of Kandy, and it is probably not worth starting a years tree for Kandy? If not, can the one article in Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy also go in a new Category:1804 establishments in Ceylon/Sri Lanka? – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 *  Option 2 Option 1 except Kandy: I think we should keep Sri Lanka as the main category for each year and then treat the Kingdom of Kandy as a subcategory within that category. The Kingdom of Kandy did exist within Sri Lanka at that time and I think it's better to keep whatever happened within that kingdom during that time period separate rather than merge into the whole island. Basically, if things happened in the Kingdom of Kandy, keep it there as a subcat of Sri Lanka; if they happened in (British) Ceylon (this is for post-1815), keep it there as a subcat of Sri Lanka; if it's unclear or covers both or whatever, put it within Sri Lanka. We should probably break out and separate Kingdom of Kandy from the general Sri Lanka categories. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * it sounds as if you meant option 1, not 2. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Corrected. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment purged Category:1803 disestablishments in Sri Lanka, see []. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. You wrote "it was the end of a rebellion, not the end of a state" but it was also the end of the chieftancy, which is the subject of the article, so I think the category was valid. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are a few periods we have to consider separately ...pre 1815: Pre colonial era*, 1815–1948: British Ceylon, 1948–72: Dominion of Ceylon. (*During the Portuguese and Dutch Ceylon periods most of Sri Lanka was still independent with these Europeans only occupying a small percentage of the country at the time. It was only during British Ceylon that Sri Lanka lost its independence. Therefore I suggest:
 * all pre 1815 years be named Sri Lanka, as per Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 11.
 * 1815–1948 years be named British Ceylon while keeping Sri Lanka as the main category, and
 * 1948–72 years should be named Sri Lanka, but rather Ceylon. The Dominion of Ceylon and British Ceylon were two different entities, basically one is a colony and the other an independent state. The dominion and Sri Lanka are essentially the same while there is more of a difference between the Dominion and British Ceylon.--Blackknight12 (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Although expressed as a comment, this appears to be a !vote for option 1 in this CfD, as it is about the 1800s which were not covered by the June 11 CFDs. (The argument for using "British Ceylon" post-1815 was already rejected there.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * We may just end up doing an RFC at Category talk:Establishments in Sri Lanka by year to clarify all this. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge all to Ceylon (option 2) - as Sri Lanka didn't exist at the time. We may however consider to retain Kandy separately per Peterkingiron.GreyShark (dibra) 09:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Neutral in the choice between Ceylon and Sri Lanka but support suggestion of Fayenatic London to upmerge Category:1804 in the Kingdom of Kandy to its parents per WP:SMALLCAT and because no other similar categories exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Option 1 seems to jive best with the close of June 11, and I support it. If users don't want to change the Kingdom of Kandy one (or upmerge it), that's OK. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Prehistoric Czech lands

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Prehistoric Czech lands to Category:Prehistory of the Czech lands
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, corresponding to . Although most of uses "Prehistoric Foo", a few others use "Prehistory of Foo", and it would sound better here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, an improvement, but really this whole useless "national prehistories" tree should be merged to "Archaeology of ...", which they aren't even linked to yet. Neanderthal is in the category for every country in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 18:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've boldly recategorized Neanderthal but in general I'm a bit sceptical about this comment, I would expect the country subcats of Category:Prehistoric Europe to contain more articles than Category:Archaeology by country of those same countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I think a little investigation would dispose of that idea. We have an awful lot of archeological articles, but their editors are generally remarkably unready to integrate them by categories outside the archeological tree. Johnbod (talk) 17:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm neutral about the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Hellenic Wikipedia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Hellenic Wikipedia to Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Greek Wikipedia
 * Nominator's rationale: In English, the language is called "Greek", not "Hellenic". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * 'Support per nom. Liz  Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 15:27, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


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Japanese Empire
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:1934 establishments in the Japanese Empire to Category:1934 establishments in the Japanese colonial empire
 * Nominator's rationale This is for the same reason as the other one, to create agreed upon names and to avoid confusion with the home islands.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- appropriate rationalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Instead support Category:1934 establishments in the Japanese colonies (suggested below). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - though Category:1934 establishments in the Japanese colonies, similar as suggested by User:Peterkingiron in earlier discussions, would have my preference. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment We actually have an article Japanese colonial empire, and the attempt to make these categories out of line with all the similar categories we have under Category:Establishments in the Japanese colonial empire by year makes no sense. The people above also ignore that colony and colonial empire have different scopes of meaning. Many units within colonial empires were actually protectorates and other things. A portion of what the Japanese held was a league of nations mandate.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:27, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Since Category:Establishments in the Japanese colonial empire by year is the parent category, this rename is appropriate. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 15:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Colonial empire and not colonies is more in line with the rest of Category:Overseas empires. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


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Establishments in the Empire of Japan
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:1935 establishments in the Empire of Japan to Category:1935 establishments in the Japanese colonial empire
 * Nominator's rationale This is the only category that uses the Empire of Japan form. There are multiple sub-categories in Category:Establishments in the Japanese colonial empire by year. This will also avoid confusion with Japan itself, which was an empire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 *  Support  -- appropriate rationalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Instead support Category:1935 establishments in the Japanese colonies (suggested below). A parent may also need to be renamed to match.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - though Category:1935 establishments in the Japanese colonies, similar as suggested by User:Peterkingiron in earlier discussions, would have my preference. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's different from everything else at Category:Overseas empires for what it's worth. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Since Category:Establishments in the Japanese colonial empire by year is the parent category, this rename is appropriate. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 15:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support and add Category:1907 establishments in the Empire of Japan. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


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