Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 July 11



Category:Numismatic coins of Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Coins of Russia. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting numismatic coins of russia


 * Nominator's rationale: The title is tautologous - all coins are numismatic - and a duplication of Category:Coins of Russia StAnselm (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename C2C to Category:Commemorative coins of Russia following others in Category:Commemorative coins. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * But none of the articles are about specific commemorative coins. Two are general articles about commemorative coins, but neither Saint George the Victorious (coin), Constantine ruble, nor Chervonets are commemoratives. StAnselm (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge back to patent Category:Coins of Russia. Some of the coins appear to be ones that have not circulated in the normal way, for example high-denomination gold coins, which presumable serve a similar function to Kruger rands, but not all are commemorative (for which there is already a subcategory, though as "lists of").   Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge back per Peterkingiron. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Winters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Winters to Category:Winter weather events
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The whole super-category:Winter is rather small, and this category IMO is good to hold both particular winters and smaller winter weather events. -M.Altenmann >t 18:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support, currently the distinction between Category:Winters and Category:Winter is not very clear, the proposed rename will improve that. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:People from Long Beach Township, New Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Long Beach Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey

Also propose merging
 * Category:People from Eastampton Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Delanco Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Chesterfield Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from New Hanover Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from North Hanover Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Bay Head, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Barnegat Light, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Pine Beach, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Beach Haven, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Ship Bottom, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Surf City, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Seaside Heights, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Manchester Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Island Heights, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Category:People from Lavallette, New Jersey to Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. All communities of under 10,000 people with just 1, 2, or 3 entries. ...William 15:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose The parent of these categories, Category:People from Burlington County, New Jersey and Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey, are being fully diffused and further review of the parents, of other articles that link to these places and of articles that link to unincorporated communities within these places, keep on turning up additional entries to be added to these categories. The categories also allow more effective navigation through the corresponding categories created for other places. Alansohn (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Long time consensus is that small one county communities with 4 or less entries is insufficient for the community to have a people from category. At least one of the categories above has exactly one entry....William 13:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support generally -- I would prefer a minimum for a community to have its own category that that are about a dozen potential members. The rest should be left in the parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, there is no need for full diffusion of the county parents, in previous discussions there was consensus about similar mergers. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support The spirit of WP:OCMISC really applies here: "It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories." Just because some towns in Ocean County are viable sub-categories, doesn't mean there still can't be loose articles at the county level for really small towns.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, except Category:People from Seaside Heights, New Jersey, which now has 5 members. Categories with 1 or 2 members are pretty useless. kennethaw88 • talk 01:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Events at the Southeast Asian Games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as empty. This is without prejudice to re-creation. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting events at the southeast asian games


 * Propose deleting southeast asian games events by year


 * Nominator's rationale: Needless split of Category:Sports at the Southeast Asian Games SFB 11:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. There is a reason why Category:Sports at the Summer Olympics and Category:Events at the Summer Olympics exists too. An "event" is a subcategory of a "sport" (example, there are 32 Olympic events in the sport called swimming). Sure, the categories look underpopulated right now, but they will grow with time as data gets added progressively.--Huaiwei (talk) 08:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Articles on events are not in the category – the overall sport articles are. It is the sport-specific categories that contain the events held within a sport. Usage of the term "event" is also confusing in that is could signify other parts of a games, such as opening ceremony or things like 2012 Olympic hunger summit which is what the structure stemming from Category:Events relates to. SFB 19:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Notification posted in WikiProject Sports. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The nominated categories are currently empty. Do you recall what was in them? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:2011 Southeast Asian Games events

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1995 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 1995 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2001 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2001 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2003 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2003 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2005 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2005 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2007 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2007 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2009 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2009 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2011 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2011 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2013 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2013 Southeast Asian Games
 * Propose renaming Category:2015 Southeast Asian Games events to Category:Sports at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent Category:Sports at the Southeast Asian Games as well as children (e.g. Category:Athletics at the 2013 Southeast Asian Games‎). This helps make obvious the category's usage as a sport-based one, as opposed to a general events one that could include opening ceremonies, etc. SFB 11:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As above. These categories are correctly named.--Huaiwei (talk) 08:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Notification posted in WikiProject Sports. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Protestant religious leaders by denomination

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 * The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. MER-C 12:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Protestant religious leaders by denomination‎ to Category:Protestant ministers and clergy by denomination
 * Propose renaming Category:Protestant religious leaders by nationality‎ to Category:Protestant ministers and clergy by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: rename because the term "religious leader" is being used in two different ways in the categorization tree, which is confusing.
 * On the one hand it is used in the name of the parent of Category:Christian clergy (namely in Category:Christian religious leaders).
 * On the other hand it is used as an alternative term for clergy in a child category of Category:Christian clergy (which is the nominated category).
 * This proposal aims at poviding less ambiguity in this matter. In addition, since not all Protestant denominations are used to the term "clergy", the suggestion is to use the term "ministers and clergy" in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. These are not necessarily the same thing; George Buchanan and Alison Elliot are Protestant religious leaders, being Moderators of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, but are neither ministers nor members of the clergy. StAnselm (talk) 19:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Inclined to oppose; see Category talk:Religious leaders for the wider proposal which led to the current names. At the end of that page is a difference of view about categorising clergy who are not leaders, specifically, whether it is defining for them to be so categorised; this probably needs airing as an RFC. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- It is true that most of the subcats are for clergy, ministers, or pastors, but not all are necessarily ordained. For example, the Quakers have no ordanced ministry.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Ordained Christian women‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Ordained Christian women‎‎ to Category:Female Christian clergy
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge since the two categories seem to serve the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: if merged, the remaining category would belong in Category:Ordination of women. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: there was no consensus on this merge last year at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_June_2. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Which might have been due to the fact it was a small part of a too complex bigger nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Analysis of Hindu nationalism‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Writers about Hindu nationalism. Non-writers can be placed in Category:Hindu nationalism and maybe someday, in a Category:Works about Hindu nationalism subcategory (this probably shouldn't be created just to house one article, though). Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Analysis of Hindu nationalism‎ to Category:Scholars of Hindu nationalism
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to a more usual format. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I am the creator of this category. I intend it to include pages that deal with analysis of Hindu nationalism (not necessarily scholars). In fact, Hitler's Priestess, currently in the category, is a book. So the proposed move is inappropriate. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This article can be moved up to Category:Hindu nationalism. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really. Category:Hindu nationalism includes aspects internal to the Hindu nationalist movements, not external commentaries on it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If the book is about Hindu nationalism, there is nothing that would prevent it from being in that category. By the way, it is not really clear from the article what the book is about, you need to guess quite a bit based on the list of chapters. It would be great if you could expand the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, this book was just an example. In principle, articles on other books, some of which are much more major, would also go here. From my point of view, it is the analysis of Hindu nationalism that is of interest to the general readership, not necessarily the scholars. The scholars' pages are included only because they often contain details of the works. So I don't really see much point in the renaming that you have proposed. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:03, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Analysis of Hindu nationalism is not a defining characteristic of the writers about Hindu nationalism in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * REname -- I am not sure that all the people categorised are "scholars" (which suggests academics).  How about Analysts or Commentators.  The one article on a book can be moved elsewhere, as suggested.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea to slightly broaden the scope of the category in comparison to the nomination. A broader category name that is also in line with existing WP conventions is Category:Writers about Hindu nationalism. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Total Nonstop Action Wrestling albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting total nonstop action wrestling albums


 * Nominator's rationale: Category was converted into a List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling albums. starship.paint ~  KO   06:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Rationale is incorrect; categories can't be "converted" to list articles. List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling albums is several years old, so it is unlikely separate articles existed for every album.  The nom also emptied the cat before nomination, but it seems like there may have only been the one entry anyhow, so SMALLCAT would apply.  There are multiple albums, but as soundtracks, none of them are generally individually notable. MSJapan (talk) 23:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Simon & Garfunkel members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting simon & garfunkel members


 * Nominator's rationale: There are two articles in this category, and I really do not see a use since they both link to each other's article on their pages, so this is a bit unnecessary when it comes down to keeping it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I do not usually comment on musical matters, but for many musical groups we seem to get multiple categories, one for members, another for albums, another for songs. With fiction, my vote the rule "one franchise, one category", so that books, films, TV series, writers, characters (though the articles are typically merged into a single article and the category deletd) and all else appear in one category.  Would it not be appropriate to apply this to musical groups?  We resist eponymous categories, as they unnecessarily parent the multiple categoies about the group.  My suggestion, is that instead we should allow the eponymous category and prohibit the multiple subcategories. The main article will be on the group, and most of the rest will be linked from that, so that there is an alternative navigation route.  Peterkingiron (talk) 09:48, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep' - It may seem kind of silly on its own, but it's part of an established scheme that would be incomplete without it. Ab e g92 contribs 15:32, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - In this case, adherence to a scheme should not take precedence over common sense. This is textbook SMALLCAT and OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There were only ever two members of the duo (by definition).  They're both mentioned in the group article, and there's a well-built navbox for S&G as well.  The album cat exists because they had 10 albums, which is a reasonable size.  They have many well-known songs that we know the background of, so a songs cat is reasonable.  However, the members cat will never grow, and given all the other navigation material, this is unnecessary. MSJapan (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The category is part of Category:Musicians by band, and the fact that the band is named after these two musicians doesn't change the fact that it is a band and has members.
 * Delete; unnecessary for navigation. is not a "comprehensive" scheme that's meant to be inclusive of categories for every band that ever had members; there are actually more bands on Wikipedia whose members don't all have separate standalone biographies than there are ones who are. Bearcat (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The two articles can adequately (and are at present) be linked from the lead article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - SMALLCAT that won't grow Pnorman (talk) 21:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Simon & Garfunkel, seems a nice compromise between keep and delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Yeah, this is pretty superfluous. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 06:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Simon & Garfunkel per Marcocapelle. RevelationDirect (talk) 13:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


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