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Category:Christian Science church buildings by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus for rename that was proposed; there is some support here for deletion/upmerging, which could be proposed clearly in a new nomination. (An upmerge of Category:20th-century Christian Science church buildings, however, would result in 29 unsubcategorized articles being merged into Category:20th-century churches, which would probably result in a desire to subcategorize the Christian Science ones!) Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Christian Science church buildings by century to Category:Christian Science churches by century
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century Christian Science church buildings to Category:19th-century Christian Science churches
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Christian Science church buildings to Category:20th-century Christian Science churches
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the church/church buildings discussion. Ricky81682 (talk) 19:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge all back to Category:Christian Science church buildings, rather Category:Christian Science churches (in the ligfht of recent renames. This denomination or sect is little more than 150 years old, so that I do not see any need to split it by century.  The whole tree seems to have under 100 articles, so that it ought to need any split, excaptr perhaps by country.  All the US State categories also need upmerging back to a US category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Three comments:
 * 1) Agree with Peterkingiron on the limited necessity to split in this particular case.
 * 2) Also there is another, more general, issue: this type of category names is getting really ambiguous now. The proposed name Category:19th-century Christian Science churches might mean: 1) buildings built in the 19th century, 2) older-than-19th-century buildings used by this church since the 19th century, or 3) a community of this church existing since the 19th century that may have used different church buildings in the course of time. I think we're renaming church buildings to churches too rigidly.
 * 3) Finally, this may refer to this particular case, or not, but it seems that we are lacking a Category:Former 19th-century churches and Category:Former 20th-century churches because many of these buildings are no longer in use as a church and it is questionable if they should stay in the Christian Science tree at all. The most defining characteristic of these former churches concerns their historical value, not their former religious use. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Both of your issue seem to be a need to split these category not an issue with the naming., what do you mean by merge "all"? Are you saying just ignore the prior discussion entirely and just reverse it? No one seems to have brought the discussion up to deletion review so I don't see anyone thinking that the discussion was closed incorrectly. That doesn't make sense policy-wise. Otherwise, as I noted in my close, there were these concerns about a split but there was no support there for that. If there's a need for a split, that split could be a separate discussion (see Category:Protestant congregations by century of establishment for an example) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't move these to churches for now. Here, there isn't a Christian Science congregation category that would create confusion here. , for two, perhaps the naming should be more like buildings rather than as such (akin to Category:Christian Science churches completed in the 19th century)? Then current usage doesn't matter. Otherwise, if we want to separate currently used versus non-used, then we should look to something like Category:Ruined churches of World War II and create perhaps a Category:Ruined Christian Science churches or defunct or something but I think we can go with churches completed in for buildings and split off congregations established/disestablished which would solve all your issues. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:Christian Science churches completed in the 19th century would definitely be an improvement! Let my point nr 3 go for now, because you're right that it would involve creating a new tree of defunct churches which goes well beyond the scope of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. For a faith that's only been around since the mid-19th century, a date split isn't helpful: it just produces an extra level of categories that impair searching.  Marcocapelle, what in the world are you talking about?  Any idiot can see that "First Church of Christ, Scientist (placename)" belongs in the Christian Science tree.  Anyone taking them out of the Christian Science tree needs to be reverted mercilessly and blocked if they persist.  Nyttend (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete/Upmerge Agree that century categories are not helpful in this case. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:36, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with the idea, though presumably in that case they should be upmerged to all parents rather than deleted, because the buildings tree as a whole is organized by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Church buildings are not the same as Churches themselves.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Translations by Michael Brodsky

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting translations by michael brodsky


 * Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of the play. No precedent for "Translations by" categories.  -- Rob Sinden (talk) 15:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: I created this in my early days of WP, imitating a navbox that used subcategories instead of plain rows. I'm perfectly happy with redoing the navbox/categories from scratch. Choor monster (talk) 15:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Tetralogies

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tetralogies to Category:Literary tetralogies
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename corresponding to Category:Literary trilogies. The category was long ago repurposed as part of Category:Literary series. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename but I wouldn't oppose listifying either. This doesn't seem like much of a shared property to categorise for... - jc37 03:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Clement SOJ

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. This was never going to result in any outcome but "delete", both because there is no use for the category, as it refers only to a non-notable subject, whose article has repeatedly been deleted, and because it is being used not as a category but as a fake article. However, I am deleting it now, rather than waiting, because it was also created by an account which was clearly created for the purpose of evading a block. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting clement soj


 * Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate use of category to only store eponymous article. See also Clement SOJ now under CSD A7.  野狼院ひさし  u/t/c 13:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The article itself is inappropriate as well. This will never be more that a WP:SMALLCAT. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 13:22, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Medieval church buildings

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Medieval church buildings to Category:Medieval churches
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient church buildings to Category:Ancient churches
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the church/church buildings discussion. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support given the results of the earlier discussion. Hugo999 (talk) 10:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Estate agents (people)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Estate agents (people) to Category:British estate agents (people)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to avoid confusion like in this discussion. It is not a generic category (as the current name suggests) but a category using a British-only term implying that only British people are in the category. Let's better make that explicit. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Dialect words do not indicate scope restriction, only word choice. Further, could be confused with agents representing dead people -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 08:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support in principle -- but should it not be Category:English and Welsh estate agents (people): the Scottish conveyancing system is different from the English one, and does not have "subject to contract" sales, which measn that a lot of the property sales there are dealt with by solicitors. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The information available on Wikipedia does not exclude Scotland for the use of this term. Also, if in Scotland solicitors deal with this, it implies that there won't be any Scottish people in the category, but then the proposed category name would not really conflict with the absense of Scottish people. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. "Estate agent" is unambiguous, and adding "British", etc., implies the nationality of the person, not the profession.  In fact, the disambiguator "(people)" is also superfluous.  No reason for it not to match the article Estate agent that I can see.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with dropping "(people)". Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Rob Sinden: In Britain, the term "estate agent" is used for both people and firms, hence the qualified "(people)" was added to distinguish this category from Category:Property services companies of the United Kingdom. Even with the current name, I have just removed a few company articles from it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2013 fifa u-20 world cup players


 * Nominator's rationale: Category is not relevant at all, it is overkill and any other editions of this tournament don't have cats. MYS  77  ✉ 00:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- We should not be encouraging categories for age-limited competitions. The players will generally be NN, unless they become notable for what they do later in their careers.  We have recently had CFD nominations for Universidade games, where exactly the same considerations apply.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - playing in these kind of youth tournaments does not confer notability, so they do not deserve categories - it is not a defining characteristic. GiantSnowman 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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