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Category:Animal charities based in Scotland

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/deleted as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Animal charities based in Scotland to Category:Animal welfare organisations in the United Kingdom and Category:Charities based in Scotland
 * Propose merging Category:Animal welfare organisations in England to Category:Animal welfare organisations in the United Kingdom
 * Propose deleting Category:Animal welfare organisations in Scotland
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated categories, the first likely WP:SMALLCAT due to the small number of notable animal charities, upmerge to Category:Animal welfare organisations in the United Kingdom. Delete the intermediate Category:Animal welfare organisations in Scotland, as empty after the merge. QueenCake (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Question: should the first not also be merged to the other parent, Category:Charities based in Scotland? – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:09, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're quite right. Added to the nom, though there is only one article affected. QueenCake (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support -- I do not think there are enough in the UK to merit a split by country. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:1892 establishments in the American colonial empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename for now following name of lead article, i.e. as

– Fayenatic  L ondon 22:01, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:1892 establishments in the territories of the United States
 * Category:1907 establishments in the territories of the United States
 * Category:1908 establishments in the territories of the United States.


 * Propose deleting 1892 establishments in the american colonial empire


 * Propose deleting 1907 establishments in the american colonial empire


 * Propose deleting 1908 establishments in the american colonial empire


 * Nominator's rationale: This seems like an unnecessary level of abstraction. It really wouldn't gain a ton of organization to have the territories separated from the US establishments categories rather than just putting them into the US categories themselves. Ricky81682 (talk) 22:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose We class other colonies as different from the base country. I can demonstrate that the places involved her were essentially treated as colonies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What specifically are you thinking belongs there? I find it odd to call the past US territories as "colonies" but maybe you're thinking of something else. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Tend to support as the term "American colonial empire" is probably not being used to denote the past US territories that have become a state. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The closest categorization I can find is Category:Pre-statehood history of U.S. states. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Question I thought this would contain the Philippines and Canal Zone but it has Oklahoma and Arizona. What do we mean by "colonial" and "empire" here?.RevelationDirect (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't understand the obsessiveness of all of the year-by-year "establishment/disestablishment in X" categories which are inevitably tiny categories. Is it significant whether it was in 1907 vs. 1906 vs. 1908? I'm generally in favor of categorization in order to make articles easier to find but the tens of thousands of almost empty establishment/disestablishment categories are a category tree looking for a problem to solve. Liz  Read! Talk! 19:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree with this comment. I would suggest using decades or centuries for this kind of establishments categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In general, I also agree. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete Categorizing future states pushes the definition of "colonial" but I do wonder if this might work for Puerto Rico and other true colonies. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * REname but to Category:1892 establishments in the American territories etc: that is certainly the right term for Arizona at the time. It is the right term for Puerto Rico today.  I leave it to others to judge whether this applies to other territory colonised by USA.  Alternatively, Merge to Category:1890s establishments in the American territories etc.  I would suggest that these be located as siblings to those for individual US states, which may require parents to be renamed to "states and territories".  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The latter seems to be a fair compromise in this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose Delete / Consider Rename These are appropriate for categorization, but the term "American territories" (which corresponds to a parent Territories of the United States) would be a far better choice than "American colonial empire". Alansohn (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. For one, the American colonial empire is not a term used on Wikipedia. Second, this just creates an additional layer between YYYY establishments in XX Territory and YYYY establishments in the United States. Because the territories are sub-national entities on the same level as the states, there's no reason to remove them from those categories alongside the states and DC. kennethaw88 • talk 04:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Territories are not subnational entities on the "same level" as states. They have outside governors appointed who have little interest in the good of the colony. Multiple people have written convincing analysis of such places as Utah Territory as a colony.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that on the government hierarchy, they are one level below the federal government, just like states and DC. Because DC is listed alongside states in the YYYY establishments in the United States, I don't see why territories can't also be listed there. kennethaw88 • talk 01:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unorganized territories were generally placed under federal agencies. So, the District of Alaska was under the US Army, which was under the Secretary/Department of War which was under the President. How they were handled was not at all consistent though across territories or across presidential administrations. Until the 23rd Amendment, DC's government was really a Congressional committee. RevelationDirect (talk) 05:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Who defines an American colonial empire and its extend? The closest thing we have is an article on American imperialism which itself seems to have an ill-defined scope. Dimadick (talk) 10:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Organizations based in the Bahamas

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Organizations based in the Bahamas to Category:Organisations based in the Bahamas
 * Propose renaming Category:Non-profit organizations based in the Bahamas to Category:Non-profit organisations based in the Bahamas
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT organizations in the Bahamas to Category:LGBT organisations in the Bahamas
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename, as British spelling is predominant in the Bahamas. The second of these was declined at the Speedy page due to the inconsistency in the hierarchy. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support. It makes sense to use the terminology of the location as long as it is easy for all readers to understand. Liz  Read! Talk! 19:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- We use orthography appropriate to the country in question. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Guinea-Bissauan people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Guinea-Bissauan people to Category:Bissau-Guinean people
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the result of Talk:List of Bissau-Guineans, the correct demonym for someone from Guinea-Bissau is "Bissau-Guinean," NOT "Guinea-Bissauan." I also want this discussion to apply to all of the sub-categories and the relevant sub-categories at Category:Guinea-Bissau. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case you need to tag all the subcats and add them to the nom. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. If you are considering extensive renaming, you have to list the categories that are involved because it is likely a bot will have to take care of the renames if your proposal is accepted. Liz  <b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 19:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Could I have a bot help me tag and add the subcats to the nom? It's a fairly extensive process as there are several that would apply here. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You can ask for help here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. These are the 95 I've tagged:


 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan society to Category:Bissau-Guinean society
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan footballers to Category:Bissau-Guinean footballers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people stubs to Category:Bissau-Guinean people stubs
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan murder victims to Category:Bissau-Guinean murder victims
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan law to Category:Bissau-Guinean law
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sprinters to Category:Bissau-Guinean sprinters
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan men to Category:Bissau-Guinean men
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan emigrants to Portugal to Category:Bissau-Guinean emigrants to Portugal
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriate footballers to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriate footballers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Portugal to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Portugal
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people to Category:Bissau-Guinean people
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sportspeople to Category:Bissau-Guinean sportspeople
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan writers to Category:Bissau-Guinean writers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people by occupation to Category:Bissau-Guinean people by occupation
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan culture to Category:Bissau-Guinean culture
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan poets to Category:Bissau-Guinean poets
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Belgium to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Belgium
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Spain to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Spain
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan victims of crime to Category:Bissau-Guinean victims of crime
 * Category:Works by Guinea-Bissauan people to Category:Works by Bissau-Guinean people
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan radio to Category:Bissau-Guinean radio
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Senegal to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Senegal
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Hungary to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Hungary
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan media to Category:Bissau-Guinean media
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in England to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in England
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan athletes to Category:Bissau-Guinean athletes
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan musical groups to Category:Bissau-Guinean musical groups
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan literature to Category:Bissau-Guinean literature
 * Category:Russian people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Russian people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan diplomats to Category:Bissau-Guinean diplomats
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sportsmen to Category:Bissau-Guinean sportsmen
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan judges to Category:Bissau-Guinean judges
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sportswomen to Category:Bissau-Guinean sportswomen
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan emigrants to the Soviet Union to Category:Bissau-Guinean emigrants to the Soviet Union
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sport wrestlers to Category:Bissau-Guinean sport wrestlers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan emigrants to Category:Bissau-Guinean emigrants
 * Category:Portuguese people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Portuguese people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan women's rights activists to Category:Bissau-Guinean women's rights activists
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Romania to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Romania
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan rebels to Category:Bissau-Guinean rebels
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan wrestlers to Category:Bissau-Guinean wrestlers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in France to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in France
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan film directors to Category:Bissau-Guinean film directors
 * Category:Swiss people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Swiss people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan social democrats to Category:Bissau-Guinean social democrats
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of Lebanese descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of Lebanese descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan generals to Category:Bissau-Guinean generals
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan musical instruments to Category:Bissau-Guinean musical instruments
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan women to Category:Bissau-Guinean women
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Bulgaria to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Bulgaria
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan sports coaches to Category:Bissau-Guinean sports coaches
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan diaspora to Category:Bissau-Guinean diaspora
 * Category:Assassinated Guinea-Bissauan people to Category:Assassinated Bissau-Guinean people
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Marxists to Category:Bissau-Guinean Marxists
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan lawyers to Category:Bissau-Guinean lawyers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan communists to Category:Bissau-Guinean communists
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan musicians to Category:Bissau-Guinean musicians
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan football managers to Category:Bissau-Guinean football managers
 * Category:Assassinated Guinea-Bissauan politicians to Category:Assassinated Bissau-Guinean politicians
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Roman Catholic bishops to Category:Bissau-Guinean Roman Catholic bishops
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan women in politics to Category:Bissau-Guinean women in politics
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan politicians to Category:Bissau-Guinean politicians
 * Category:Dutch people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Dutch people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:French people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:French people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan films to Category:Bissau-Guinean films
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan engineers to Category:Bissau-Guinean engineers
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan religious leaders to Category:Bissau-Guinean religious leaders
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan socialists to Category:Bissau-Guinean socialists
 * Category:Colombian people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Colombian people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Soviet people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Soviet people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan martial artists to Category:Bissau-Guinean martial artists
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Christians to Category:Bissau-Guinean Christians
 * Category:American people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:American people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Muslims to Category:Bissau-Guinean Muslims
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of European descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of European descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Roman Catholics to Category:Bissau-Guinean Roman Catholics
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan prisoners and detainees to Category:Bissau-Guinean prisoners and detainees
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan music to Category:Bissau-Guinean music
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people by religion to Category:Bissau-Guinean people by religion
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan politicians by party to Category:Bissau-Guinean politicians by party
 * Category:Equatoguinean people of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:Equatoguinean people of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan military personnel to Category:Bissau-Guinean military personnel
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of Brazilian descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of Brazilian descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people by political orientation to Category:Bissau-Guinean people by political orientation
 * Category:People of Guinea-Bissauan descent to Category:People of Bissau-Guinean descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Bissau-Guinean people by ethnic or national origin
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of Portuguese descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of Portuguese descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan Ministers of Defense to Category:Bissau-Guinean Ministers of Defense
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Finland to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Finland
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Switzerland to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Switzerland
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan activists to Category:Bissau-Guinean activists
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of Asian descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of Asian descent
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan expatriates in Cape Verde to Category:Bissau-Guinean expatriates in Cape Verde
 * Category:Guinea-Bissauan people of South American descent to Category:Bissau-Guinean people of South American descent


 * Alakzi (talk) 12:42, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And now I've had to fix the rename target of all 95 because I'm a bit of an idiot. Alakzi (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Support & Expand per above. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European mythology
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Proto-Indo-European religion. If any of the Fooian mythology sub-cats are purged from this, they should be added to European/Asian mythology instead. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:25, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indo-European mythology to Category:Indo-European religion
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is actually a bit broader than its name suggests: it includes several articles on sacrificial rituals as well as mythology. I would also like to add Fire in ancient Iranian culture to it, which too focuses on ritual rather than myth. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 13:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment -- This would certainly match the main article, but does the whole thing have enough coherence to make a worthwhile category? There are Indo-European language speakers who have been Buddhist, but does that make Buddhist mythology belong here? Likewise the mythologiues or religions of many other places.  At worst heavly purge.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename to Category:Proto-Indo-European religion per main article and heavily purge accordingly. Indo-European (without Proto-) is way too broad, as is clear from the current content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative Rename to match Proto-Indo-European religion main article. I have no opinion about whether the article is well named but the category should blindly follow unless there is some specific issue with the category space. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:2001 establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:2001 establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan to Category:2001 establishments in Iraq
 * Nominator's rationale: Iraqi Kurdistan isn't a formal country but a region within the country of Iraq. The general organization for Category:2001 establishments by country is for countries and there's not enough articles at Category:2001 establishments in Iraq to justify splitting this (or the remainder of the establishments in Iraq into a separate Iraqi Kurdistan organization. Ricky81682 (talk) 09:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose We have serveral sub-categories for sub-national entities. Iraqi Kurdistan is very autonomous. Also the question is not do we have enough articles presently in the category, but is it reasonable to think there are enough things that could have articles that could fit. I think the answer to that question is yes. Additionally this nomination ignores that Category:2001 in Iraqi Kurdistan exists and has multiple sister categories. The contents of this category should remain in the Iraqi Kurdistan by year tree as long as that exists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:2014 in Iraqi Kurdistan has 9 articles. This shows this is part of a sizeable and growing tree and should not be remoeved without consideration of the larger structure.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Iraqi Kurdistan is a well defined autonomous region with its own local government that does not necessarily pay that much attention to the national goverment in Baghdad. I see no good purpose in merging, at least as far back as autonomy became effective.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and per WP:SMALLCAT. The fact that Category:2014 in Iraqi Kurdistan is well-populated isn't a good argument because 1) 2014 may be a coincidental exception and 2) more importantly, we are discussing here an establishment category which is merely a smaller child category of a year category. The establishments categories will surely remain poorly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - similar to the case of category:2001 in the Palestinian territories (which used to be autonomy in 2001) and category:2001 in Israel (state with de-facto control of the borders in 2001).GreyShark (dibra) 08:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose — there are more subcategories by year and articles in them, found under Category:Establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan by year, than when this sole cat. was nominated. It is a "a sizeable and growing tree" with the parent cat of Category:Establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan, and container cats of Category:2000s establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan & Category:2010s establishments in Iraqi Kurdistan. — Look2See1   t a l k →  06:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Albums articles needing expert attention
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums articles needing expert attention


 * Nominator's rationale: Assuming this isn't meant to be "all WikiProject Albums articles that require expert attention [regardless of the category of expertise required]", this seems like a strange categorization for the need for expertise. Unlike the other categories at Category:Music articles needing expert attention, it's not requesting someone who would have expertise in the "real world" that could be useful here but essentially for someone who gets what WP:ALBUMS requires (I don't know what else an album expert would be) and that's sort of circular to me. If the issue is about the album classification then I'd say Category:Music genres articles needing expert attention is a better category than this one. Ricky81682 (talk) 08:54, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: this is populated by Template:Expert-subject, which is designed to allow any WikiProject to be named. The template's sub-page Template:Expert-subject/catcheck checks whether a category such as this one exists, failing which it puts the article into Category:Miscellaneous articles needing expert attention – rather than a more generic category such as the Music one suggested above. Therefore the outcome must either be "delete" or "keep", not "merge". I imagine that the editor who added this tag to the current member page was insufficiently confident about notability requirements to tag the page for deletion, but I have just done so. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:31, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


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