Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 July 7



Category:Moths of Oman

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Oman to Category:Moths of the Middle East
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Iran to Category:Moths of the Middle East (plus List of moths of Iran and List of moths of Iran (Noctuidae) to Category:Insects of Iran)
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Israel to Category:Moths of the Middle East (plus Category:Lists of moths of Israel to Category:Lists of biota of Israel)
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Saudi Arabia to Category:Moths of the Middle East (plus List of moths of Saudi Arabia to Category:Lists of biota of Saudi Arabia)
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Syria‎ to Category:Moths of the Middle East
 * Propose merging Category:Moths of Yemen‎ to Category:Moths of the Middle East
 * Nominator's rationale: That, for example, Cabbage looper is found in Oman is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of the species. Example of a similar CFD: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_18. DexDor(talk) 20:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all - per nom. Neutralitytalk 23:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all -- These taxa of country categories are a variety of Performaance by performer WP:OC CATEGORY, the performacne being occurence. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all too fine a set of dinstinctions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Informa academic journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 13:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Informa academic journals to Category:Taylor & Francis academic journals
 * Nominator's rationale: Informa has merged the journals published under its Informa Healthcare imprint to its publishing division, Taylor & Francis. See announcement here. Randykitty (talk) 13:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Would a similar merge be on its way to Category:Routledge academic journals, also a sub-cat of Category:Taylor & Francis academic journals? And for imprints for other publishers, too (e.g., Category:Wolters Kluwer academic journals)? Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 14:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at this moment. Informa still uses both the Routledge and the Taylor & Francis imprints separately and the same goes for Wilters Kluwer's imprints. But the Informa Healthcare imprint seems to have been completely abandoned and the journals are being moved to the T&F platform with T&F indicated as publisher (not Routledge or Informa Healthcare). I stumbled upon this because an editor, (an employee of the publisher perhaps, given their singular attention to these journals only), is changing articles for Informa journals and replacing Informa with T&F. --Randykitty (talk) 14:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree Then I support the original proposal. Thanks for the clarification. Fgnievinski (talk) 16:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree This proposal makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.--Shisha-Tom (talk) 07:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Nomenclature

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Scientific nomenclature.  (or others) to make adjustments, as needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (I think I've done the necessary Johnbod (talk) 01:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC))
 * Propose merging Category:Nomenclature to Category:Naming conventions
 * Nominator's rationale: wide overlap in category members and in main articles (Nomenclature and Naming conventions). Fgnievinski (talk) 12:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * How about merging into a new Category:Naming? Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 20:00, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean Category:Names?


 * Suggest renaming Category:Nomenclature to Category:Scientific nomenclature - which it mostly already is, and keeping everything else at Category:Naming conventions. A few transfers will be needed. Johnbod (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How would you suggest handling the main articles (Nomenclature and Naming conventions)? Fgnievinski (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * They seem to essentially cover the same subject, so a merge proposal is probably best. Johnbod (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * (I've taken the liberty of moving Category:Scientific nomenclature from Category:Naming conventions to Category:Nomenclature.) Fgnievinski (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support alternative proposal per Johnbod. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Jewish women

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep with the suggestion that Category:Ancient Jewish men be created.  (non-admin closure)  Liz  Read! Talk! 14:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ancient jewish women


 * Nominator's rationale: A category for ancient Jewish women, while the men are listed within specific centuries under Category:Ancient Jews, seems inappropriate. The women in this category would be moved into the appropriate century of Category:Ancient Jews. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   05:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If the people will be moved to the appropriate century category of Category:Ancient Jews, I support this proposal. Debresser (talk) 06:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose, while these women should also be listed in the centuries, there is no harm nor a violation of guidelines in having a separate women category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose, A subcategory of Jewish women, but like other categories of Category:Ancient Jews and Category:Medieval Jews eg occupation and location categories (say Category:Ancient Egyptian Jews or Category:Medieval Jewish scholars) is not subdivided by century. Why should Category:Jewish women exclude a category for Jewish women in the Ancient period? Hugo999 (talk) 09:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment What definition of "Ancient" are we using? --Dweller (talk) 12:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Usually it goes until 500 BC. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we have a source for that or has a Wikipedian arbitrarily chosen it? Are you seriously arguing that Julius Caesar died nearly 500 years after the end of the "ancient" period? --Dweller (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My mistake! Not 500 BC but 500 AD. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete religious/ethnic/racial category + sex category is not defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I checked a number of articles and they are a divers bunch, but all Jewish and all women. In an era when women were rarely notable, those who were notable are all the more significant.  The nom's objection seems to be that the male category ought (for consistency) to be Category:Ancient Jewish men, but renaming Category:Ancient Jews would not necessarily be simple, due to a need to purge.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Unless we get a NPOV answer to my question, I suggest we nominate every Category prefixed "Ancient", deferring only to centuries or millenia. --Dweller (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's an issue especially when most of these articles are biblical figures. There may even been reasonable debate over the actual historicity of some of them; I seem to recall that Mary's mother is never named in the Bible and St. Anne was kind of an outside-the-Bible tradition. Since we cannot even be assured that folks like Deborah, Queen of Sheba, St Anne even existed putting some centuries on them seems even more difficult. For example, when did St Anne die? prior to or after 1 BC (different centuries), was she born as early as 101 BC? unlikely, but no reliable sources exist on that - and the Bible relates that people did tend to live to great ages (Methuselah and his lot) and were fertile in their old age (Sarah comes to mind), so who knows? Another reason to delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Groan, no! 500 AD is a decent cut-off. Centuries are a nightmare. Johnbod (talk) 18:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The answer to Carlossuarez46 is simple. There is no RS on her dates, so that she cannot be categorised by century.  500 AD (CE) is a cut off between ancient and medieval, but should only be treated as approximate.  A person staddling that date should not be in both categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep There is nothing at all "inappropriate" in contexts like this having a non-diffusing category for women, without a male equivalent. We need to get this general principle established. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The reasons for specific women categories makes sense. Ancient is an accepted term with a broad scholarly consensus, it is not Wikipedia specific, and so not an arbitrary cut off.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Request: I proposed some new text to put into the category's introduction at Category talk:Ancient Jewish women. Your opinions would be helpful there. Thank you, SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   04:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would encourage the execution of this text but I find putting this text on the category page quite a bit redundant. A text like that could be put on almost any category page because it just concerns a general categorization principle. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


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