Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 1



Category:Flora and fauna on Indian postage stamps

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Ricky81682 (talk) 04:04, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting flora and fauna on indian postage stamps


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. That an organism appears on a postage stamp from India is not a defining characteristic of that organism; see WP:NONDEFINING. Listifying the category would also be an acceptable outcome. Rkitko (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The category was created from an Indian philately point of view rather than the other way around. Listing would also serve the purpose but development of the list would be easier if the category stays. --jojo@nthony (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I do understand the motivation behind the category and I think it would be a fine one with the name tweaked a bit and if it were applied to articles on individual postage stamps if we were to have any (WP:GNG, being a problem for many). However, categorizing articles on species or genera -- plants and animals -- by which postage stamps they appear on is beyond the guidelines on categorizing. That a subject appears on a stamp is not something that defines that subject. I would think a well-referenced List of flora and fauna on Indian postage stamps (or similarly-named article) would do nicely to display your efforts so far. I don't think listifying would hamper the development of such a list, especially in cases where animals or plants are featured on a stamp but we don't yet have an article for it. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 20:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. List and category both can coexist.Shyamsunder (talk) 21:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: I didn't see the companion categories,, , and , until now and the discussion already has a few comments, but they should also be considered for deletion or listifying. Rkitko (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_2. DexDor(talk) 05:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This is a non-defining characteristic of Bird, Leopard, Butterfly etc and if extended to other countries could place such articles in hundreds of categories. DexDor(talk) 05:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete overcategorisation, see also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_31. Tim! (talk) 05:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete – not defining, very unlikely to be mentioned at all in the article of the categorised plant. Oculi (talk) 08:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete. Not defining. While Shyamsunder is correct that lists and categories can co-exist, this does not mean that every list must translate into a valid category. The purposes of lists and categories are different, and this doesn't meet our categorization criteria.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not at all defining for the plant or animal involved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete -- appearance on a stamp is just another kind of performance contrary toWP:OC. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (as nondefining) - no objection to listifying if desired. Neutralitytalk 22:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per non-defining. About as useful as Category:Things people like to look at. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:02, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Terrorism in the name of atheism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorism in the name of atheism


 * Nominator's rationale: No corresponding article Fauzan ✆  talk ✉ mail  14:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete empty category Bazj (talk) 14:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Was it empty from the start? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose, in order to judge this nomination properly it is important to know which article(s) was/were in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC) Struck after discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The category's creator tried to put League of Militant Atheists into the category. That article does not mention terrorism. bobrayner (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay that's helpful information. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete This is going to get into way too many debatable isues. Is a general antagonism towards religion atheism, or should such motivating actions be called "Terrorism in the name of anti-religion". The whole concept is problematic, and it will be unclear there is truly such a thing until an article is created that uses reliable sources to demonstate it is a recognized topic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete --It is always going to be questionable what the motive was - whether against religion generally, or a particular religion, or a more political one against a party adhering to a particular religion.   The whole thing gets far too close to POV issues for me to like having it.  If it can be populated (apart from that) I would not object to having it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, per Peterkingiron: If anybody actually tried to populate the category we would have serious POV problems. We've been here before, with all the drama around "militant atheism" &c a couple of years ago. bobrayner (talk) 13:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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Category:Biography articles without persondata

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting biography articles without persondata


 * Nominator's rationale: Persondata has been deprecated by this RfC  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as long as the post-deprecation cleanup efforts aren't still temporarily dependent on it. We don't need to keep categories for deprecated templates/processes.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose: Can we be absolutely sure that it's not being used by any of the people who are working on post-deprecation cleanup? I would happily support deletion once there's some assurance that it's no longer needed. Although I'm happy for persondata to go, the decision to make it go ASAP has caused a lot of trouble - let's not compound that, there's no particular rush to remove a maintenance category just because it might have been left behind by procedural changes. bobrayner (talk) 13:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It's empty. MER-C 13:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Laboratory mouse breeds

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Laboratory mouse breeds to Category:Laboratory mouse strains
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Lab mice are rodent strains not breeds. See Laboratory mouse, and Laboratory rat. Cf. Category:Laboratory rat strains for comparable category.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  05:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * support It's clear from looking at a few articles that these are specific lines from a single progenitor, not the results of breeding programs. Mangoe (talk) 13:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Psychiatric Consultants & Therapists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Looks like everything here was added by User:179.232.6.8, so I'll feed it to the bot. MER-C 12:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting psychiatric consultants & therapists


 * Nominator's rationale: Scope is definitely unclear. We already have Category:Psychiatrists and Category:Psychotherapists so this extra category is bound to result in confusion. Pichpich (talk) 02:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: The entire point of the category system is specificity in a hierarchical tree, and this is a redundant commingling of two extant categories.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  05:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Neutralitytalk 16:27, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Manually empty then delete if that is the consensus -- The nom seems really be to split the present category. Most (if not all) belong in Category:Psychiatrists, but Antonucci is said to have questioned the basis of the subject.  Some are already in sub-cats of my potential merge-target, such as Category:American psychiatrists,  and should thus not be added to the parent.  If we agree that this category should be removed, the contents needs to be manually recategorised, thus emptying it.  When empty, it should be deleted.  It is not fair to ask the closing admin to do this.


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