Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 14



Category:Birds of Latvia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Latvia to Category:Birds of Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: That the Middle spotted woodpecker is found in Latvia is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of that species. Note: This category was created after Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_8.  List of birds of Latvia is rather more comprehensive. DexDor(talk) 19:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete/upmerge, agree w/precedent. Neutralitytalk 03:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support – per precedents in many previous discussions. Oculi (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:6th-century Spanish monarchs

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete. Some favored replacing "Spanish" with "Iberian", but there's not enough of a clear consensus here for that action. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 6th-century spanish monarchs


 * Propose deleting 6th-century spanish monarchs


 * Propose deleting 5th-century spanish monarchs


 * Propose deleting 5th-century spanish people


 * Nominator's rationale: Ahistorical categorization with a potential for misleading readers: the Iberian peninsula is not coterminous with modern Spain, and one should be wary of referring to Roman or Visigoth Hispania as "Spain" pure and simple when the context is not otherwise clarified; most importantly, it is a very dubious concept to have "Spanish people" in the 5th and 6th centuries or to have the Gothic kings called "Spanish monarchs"... Constantine  ✍  10:13, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support in principle. Please verify the 6th-century Spanish people (the nomination now contains this category three times). Also please check whether or not merging to Category:Visigothic Hispania might be needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * At second thought, I think that Peterkingiron's below alternative to rename to Category:6th-century Iberian monarchs etc. is better than a full delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ooops, sorry, my mistake. Fixed now. Constantine  ✍  12:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename all to Category:6th-century Iberian monarchs etc, since this covers what is now Spain and Portugal. I do not think it is useful to amend them to match Category:Visigothic Hispania, but that should perhaps be a parent.  Indeed I doubt we should have "Spanish" categories before 1492, the personal union of Aragon and Castile and the final conquest of Andalus.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Not a bad idea, but the problem with "Iberian" is that it could equally refer to the monarchs of Caucasian Iberia for this timeframe. I would support a pruning of our "Spanish" categories though, which seem to include even people from al-Andalus as "Spanish" people. Constantine  ✍  20:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The use of "Spanish" prior to 1500 is anachronistic, and I may be allowing it earlier than reasonable. The personal union of Aragon and Castille did not create a Spanish nation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment In that case I suggest that 5th and 6th century English, French and Italian people are deleted as well, because none of these modern nations (or their medieval predecessors) had been established yet. In that case, Spanish, English, French and Italian should be interpreted as a geographic term and therefore dealt in the same manner. --Gligan (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please go ahead nominating these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I would probably support all of those moves. Charlemagne was not French but Frankish for example, and he is later than what we are dealing with here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment So we should delete/rename all German and Italian categories before the 19th century, when those countries were unified? Hugo999 (talk) 23:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, we need to avoid anachronism. This is the ongoing editorial tendency, in order to prevent edit-warring (Sudan/South Sudan, Iraqi Kurdistan/Iraq, Morocco/Western Sahara, etc.) and crazy rename procedures if new states arise or existing ones disappear (which happens every now and then).GreyShark (dibra) 10:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom.GreyShark (dibra) 10:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Netherlands Antilles articles correct after Dissolution

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting netherlands antilles articles correct after dissolution


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a more than four years old hidden category with no clear purpose. I'm guessing this is related to the Netherlands Antilles dissolution. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:59, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, defunct maintenance category. Neutralitytalk 03:09, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Mammals of Jordan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Jordan to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (upmerge List of mammals of Jordan)


 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Syria to Category:Mammals of the Middle East   (upmerge List of mammals of Syria)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Kurdistan to Category:Mammals of the Middle East
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Lebanon to Category:Mammals of the Middle East  (upmerge List of mammals of Lebanon to Category:Fauna of Lebanon)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Bahrain to Category:Mammals of the Middle East  (upmerge List of mammals of Bahrain to Category:Fauna of Bahrain)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Egypt to Category:Mammals of the Middle East  (upmerge List of mammals of Egypt to Category:Fauna of Egypt)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Iran to Category:Mammals of the Middle East
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Iraq to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Iraq)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Israel to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Israel)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Kuwait to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Kuwait)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Oman to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Oman)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Qatar to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Qatar)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Saudi Arabia to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Saudi Arabia)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of the United Arab Emirates to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of the United Arab Emirates)
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Yemen to Category:Mammals of the Middle East (List of mammals of Yemen)


 * Nominator's rationale: That, for example, the European water vole is found in Lebanon, Jerboa found in Egypt or Kuhl's pipistrelle found in the UAE is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic. Note: In some cases (example) categorizing under the Middle East (countries) is dubious.  For info: Related previous discussions: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_18 and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_9. The list articles (List of mammals of X) should also be upmerged to the corresponding "Fauna of X" category.  DexDor(talk) 05:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge/delete, agree w/precedent. Neutralitytalk 03:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge etc per nom. A subcontinent is sufficient to categorise taxa.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support – per precedents in many previous discussions. Oculi (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge although I think we should use the term West Asia and not the Eurocentric Middle East.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Birds of Kurdistan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Kurdistan to Category:Birds of the Middle East
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was accidentally omitted from the recent discussion - Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_18. Note: Kurdistan probably has rather more than 5 bird species so this category may be rather incomplete. DexDor(talk) 05:12, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support – per precedents in many previous discussions. Oculi (talk) 12:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Greek colonies by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Greek colonies by country
 * Nominator's rationale: delete. In previous nominations, Greek colonies in a current country have been renamed to Greek colonies in a contemporary region. We can now also remove the parent category of the no-longer-existing country subcats. Its only content concerns Libya, but this is also in Category:Greek colonies by region. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support deletion of ahistoric, anachronistic parent Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:57, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Greek colonies by region. Libya was (I think) a Greek region with that name (also called Pentopolis - meaning 5 cities) in what is now Cyrenica (east Libya).  The use of regions will be much better.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * In this particular case, merging and deleting is the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Military installations by date of establishment

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations by date of establishment to Category:Military installations by date of completion


 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1720s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1720s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1740s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1740s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1900s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1900s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1910s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1910s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1930s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1930s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1940s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1940s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1950s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1950s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1960s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1960s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in the 1970s to Category:Military installations completed in the 1970s
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1724 to Category:Military installations completed in 1724
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1748 to Category:Military installations completed in 1748
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1904 to Category:Military installations completed in 1904
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1912 to Category:Military installations completed in 1912
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1934 to Category:Military installations completed in 1934
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1935 to Category:Military installations completed in 1935
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1936 to Category:Military installations completed in 1936
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1940 to Category:Military installations completed in 1940
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1941 to Category:Military installations completed in 1941
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1942 to Category:Military installations completed in 1942
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1951 to Category:Military installations completed in 1951
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1952 to Category:Military installations completed in 1952
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1955 to Category:Military installations completed in 1955
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1957 to Category:Military installations completed in 1957
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1960 to Category:Military installations completed in 1960
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1965 to Category:Military installations completed in 1965
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1977 to Category:Military installations completed in 1977
 * Propose renaming Category:Military installations established in 1999 to Category:Military installations completed in 1999


 * Nominator's rationale: The parallel category is Category:Military installations by date of closure. There needs to be consistency. Rather than date of establishments/disestablishments, buildings and structures uses Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion. It does use Category:Buildings and structures by year of demolition and not Category:Buildings and structures by year of closure so nothing is completely consistent. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support as category creator. I was not indeed sure what term to use. Buckshot06 (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No harm! Thanks for starting it up! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. The parent category is Category:Organizations by year of establishment. DexDor(talk) 05:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say military installations fit more like buildings while Category:Military units and formations is better for organizations. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose a wholesale change. The 1724 category is misconceived: a regiment conducted exercises on a heath.  It was not a camp (or barracks) and hence not certainly completed in 1724, probably not even started then.  The 1748 item may be a foudnation date not completion.  The 1904 item was built 1904-09; 1904 is a foundation date, not completion.  I have not checked further, but suspect that the whole nom is misconceived.  Merge all annual categories to decades: many will still not be populated well, also merging to an annual Buildings and structures category by country if necessary.  Category:Organizations by year of establishment is clearly inapproipriate for what is essentially a complex of buildings. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * keep as is. Establishment is a firm start date; continued building may go on for a long time so 'completion date' may be totally arbitrary and meaningless to the purpose of this categorization. Hmains (talk) 04:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


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