Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 16



Category:Iranian archeological cities

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Hamadan is on the site of ancient Ecbatana; the modern name does not need to be categorised as ancient. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Iranian archeological cities to Category:Ancient Iranian cities
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Triple intersection and I think some confusion of terms. Do we define archeological cities? If the intent of the category is to include ancient cities that are also archeological sites, doesn't that really cover all discovered ancient cities? The inclusion of categories like Category:Parthian cities supports this point. If some of these also belong in Category:Archaeological sites in Iran, then we can do a double upmerge. If we really need to keep, then maybe a rename to Category:Ancient Iranian cities that are archaeological sites? Vegaswikian (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, I did not check most of the content, but when I checked one child category, it was about a necropolis which I don't think is a city. I removed that. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Manually merge to either Category:Ancient Iranian cities or Category:Archaeological sites in Iran, this category is a mix of two different things. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. The nominator's rationale makes a lot of sense to me. I see that Category:Ancient cities of the Middle East contains Category:Sumerian cities and Category:Ancient Assyrian cities. Category:Ancient Iranian cities would be the appropriate parallel. The phrase "archeological cities" seems like something a non-native English speaker might use. If there's a need to distinguish sites that lie within the current borders of Iran (built by any culture) from those cities built by the ancient Iranian culture (in any country) then Category:Archaeological sites in Iran should be sufficient. Rupert Clayton (talk) 00:10, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge this name makes no sense. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle - obvious. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Update. I just re categorized the buildings and structure content here to the appropriate trees. All of the articles remaining are in both suggested merge targets except for Hamadan which is a modern city.  Whoever does the close will need to decide on correct categories for that city. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Winning Streak

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting winning streak


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. If this is merged there will only be two entries in this category, one of which is the title. As it is, there are only three. Greykit (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT (at least, if the hosts are upmerged as proposed below) Pichpich (talk) 17:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Winning Streak hosts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 03:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Winning Streak hosts to Category:Irish game show hosts
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Per similar discussions, like the two here. Performer by performance category, thus overcategorization. Greykit (talk) 22:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge, agree with nomination. Pichpich (talk) 17:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Russian Orthodox Christians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 07:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian Orthodox Christians to Category:Members of the Russian Orthodox Church
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Trying this nom again. A similar proposal was recently closed as "no consensus", but in the meantime the standard naming format for the subcategories of Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by jurisdiction was changed to this format, so it would be quite anomalous to keep this one different than the others. The basic issue is that the category as named is ambiguous—while it's intended for members of a specific church, it can be interpreted as meaning Russian nationals who are Orthodox Christians. (The two overlap, of course, but not perfectly—there are Russians who are in other Orthodox Churches and there are members of the Russian Orthodox Church who are not Russian nationals.) I would prefer to keep the focus on this head category: if this proposal is implemented, then the subcategories can be tackled. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Rupert Clayton (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support as defines the church of adherence. SFB 19:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:People of Southwest Asian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This close is no bar to re-nominating; if anyone does so, I suggest a combined nomination with the American, Canadian and Swedish sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People of Southwest Asian descent to Category:People of West Asian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Southwest Asia is much more commonly known as Western Asia. See for example Ethnic groups in West Asia. SFB 18:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete (1) unmaintainable ethnic category, which is not defining. (2) what real, not Wikipedia, body categorizes people on whether they are of "West Asian" or "Southwest Asian" "descent" - what are the boundaries that delimit these geographies so that anyone would know who to include or not include, and whose definition of those boundaries are we going to accept? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to deletion either, as this region can't be expected to contain non-categories and isn't profoundly useful over the continental level. SFB 19:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Contrary to the claims above, this is used in real discussion. Specifically the US census considers these people to be white and so classifies them, and so does not classify them as Asian.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Citation please. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Holidays and observances by scheduling (First Saturday of every month)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice to re-creation using a similar name. Nobody seems to want this to be kept as it is. First Saturday Devotions is the only current member. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting holidays and observances by scheduling (first saturday of every month) (or rename DexDor(talk) 13:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC))


 * Nominator's rationale: With one article and no parent categories this category performs no navigational purpose. If kept should be renamed to something like "Holidays and observances on the first Saturday of every month". DexDor (talk) 17:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That sounds more reasonable. A rename is necessary. Thanks —M@sssly ✉  18:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Holidays and observances by scheduling per rationale of nominator. By the way, the form of the name of the nominated category is currently C2C to (other) child categories of Category:Holidays and observances by scheduling, though I agree that it's quite an unnatural way of naming. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comments: whatever we keep this or not, merging to Category:Holidays and observances by scheduling would be wrong, as that is meant to be a container category, holding only sub-categories. Note that this parent currently has a "to be determined" sub-cat with 500 pages to be analysed, some of which might end up being added to this category. As for the form of the name, note that it is built up using the "scheduling" parameter in Template:Infobox holiday, and inserting "on the" is not going to be applicable to other cases. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:17, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Question: is it correct to containerize a category if the set of child categories does not fully capture all possible subdivisions? Wouldn't a "diffuse" template be more appropriate in such a case? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename & Expand To Category:Holidays on the first Saturday of the month. I added two additional observances and a half dozen more could be added if it was the first Saturday of any month rather than every month. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea, I would even expand it further to Category:Holidays on a weekend day near a fixed date. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that; for you Saturday may be the weekend, but it may not be for everybody. DexDor(talk) 13:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Companies based in sub-Saharan Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G6, as it appears to have been created as a category in error. I will move the page to the sandbox of the editor who created it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting companies based in sub-saharan africa


 * Nominator's rationale: We categorize companies by country, not by broad geographical region. Note: This category currently has no parent categories and far too much text. DexDor (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Queensland rail transport stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Queensland rail transport stubs to Category:Australia rail transport stubs and Category:Queensland stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated, a quick scan finds only 29 stubs for this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Streets and roads named after Martin Luther King, Jr.

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Streets and roads named after Martin Luther King, Jr.
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:NON-DEFINING. I'm open to categorizing locations defined by having historic protest marches and, accordingly, I've added a civil rights category to the Selma bridge. But this category groups streets with nothing to do with the civil rights movement let alone Dr. King except that a politician later thought it would be popular to rename an existing road after him. The memorial aspect of roads is usually a plaque at a rest stop or the name on green street signs which seems non-defining. There is already a list article so no need to listify. (This reminds me of the earlier nomination of Category:Memorial roads of Canada.) RevelationDirect (talk) 03:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: Notified Morriswa as the category creator and this discussion has been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Streets. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Shouldn't we have a category that groups together roads named after Dr. King? There is a list page, List of streets named after Martin Luther King, Jr.; however, I think there should be a category to group together the articles. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No. DexDor (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete—per WP:SHAREDNAME. Sorry,, while I sympathize with you, the editing guideline supports deletion in this case. The names are not defining characteristics of the streets; in most cases they are existing streets which were renamed to honor King. He didn't live on those streets, he didn't march on them in most (all?) cases, so the only connection to the man is the name.  Imzadi 1979  →   10:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. DexDor (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is a clear case of SHAREDNAME. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. kennethaw88 • talk 03:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:SHAREDNAME. A list, sure, but not every list in existence needs to be paired with a directly corresponding category. Bearcat (talk) 19:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete like the cities named for Stalin long ago deleted. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- WP:SHAREDNAME is not the basis for a category. It is entirely appropriate to ahve a list article, but that is all. In most cases the name will reflect no more than that the city fathers wanted to get on a bandwagon.  Peterkingiron (talk) 09:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete It is much better to have this as a list, which is a valid topic to explore. Category-wise, it's not so useful as the articles don't really require a direct link to every other such named street. SFB


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Category:Taipei Underground Streets

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Taipei Underground Streets to Category:Shopping malls in Taipei
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category groups two underground shopping malls (not streets) in Taipei. According to a Google search in English, there is no room for growth and the two articles are already cross-linked so no navigation is lost. (If we keep the category, we should rename it to Category:Underground shopping malls in Taipei to describe the actual contents.)RevelationDirect (talk) 03:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: Notified RushdimIDlike as the category creator and this discussion has been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Support as contents are malls, and also as there is no underground streets structure which this category improves upon. SFB 19:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Windows 8 devices

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete - Noting that as the nom didn't wait for the close, and moved the cat, I'll be deleting source and target. - 16:28, 30 March 2015 (UTC)jc37


 * Propose renaming Category:Windows 8 devices to Category:Windows 8 tablets
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Only tablets are in this category and not PCs or other laptops which run Windows 8. &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Other non-tablet devices may be notable, but do not have articles. Some convertible devices may not strictly be "tablets" either. Windows 8 is not designed solely for tablets, but was designed to an extent to provide an experience better suited to them. ViperSnake151   Talk  03:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining. We shouldn't be categorizing by operating system version number. 8/8.1/10 upgrade sequence would scramble the meaning of this category. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll let you suggest where the category should be renamed to. Maybe Windows tablet PCs? &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Note. I just reopened this discussion.  The nominator closed it and the only responses where opposed to a rename which appears to have been done. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Choice of operating system is not definitive of the device as this may be changed. SFB 19:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Songs featured on Los Santos Rock Radio

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs featured on los santos rock radio


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete This is not a defining characteristic. Pichpich (talk) 02:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Being included in one particular radio station's playlist, real or fictional, is not a defining characteristic of a song, and would lead to extreme category bloat (similar category for every single radio station in existence, AM or FM or satellite or internet or video game?) if we allowed it. Bearcat (talk) 23:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Bearcat. It took me five minutes to find out what the radio station was, and it is not notable enough for a separate article. Then why were the songs included, favorites of the game designers? Best rates for the game company? Lucky dip? Never defining enough for a category. --Richhoncho (talk) 01:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


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