Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 24



Category:Sad songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 03:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting sad songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Sad songs is non-defining and shouldn't be considered as a category. Please see similar discussion Melancholy songs Richhoncho (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. Interesting, but completely subjective in evaluation.  ―  Padenton  &#124;&#9742; 19:38, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I'd say speedy delete as recreation since the same editor who created Category:Melancholy songs also created this one and has added the same 3 articles (see and ). -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. kennethaw88 • talk 03:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. I doubt we can objectively categorize sad songs. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:00, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I think I did a WP:BEANS here. In the CFD discussion on, I specifically pointed out the non-existence of as part of my reasoning for deleting the melancholy equivalent — and then lo and behold, guess what happened. Mea culpa, anyone got a hairshirt? Delete. Bearcat (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Bangladeshi educational institute

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bangladeshi educational institute


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Non-standard category not used by any other country that seems to be attracting a bit of a ragbag of articles that are better sorted in other existing categories. Le Deluge (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Besides inappropriate grammar (not plural), the two articles are adequately categorised as private universities ion Bangladesh. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Existing sister cats are enough to cover the articles under it.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Metropolis of Lyon geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting metropolis of lyon geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: I'm 50:50 whether this should be kept or not, but I felt it needed discussion. It's a stub category that was created out of process by User:Arteronyl to reflect the creation of the Metropolis of Lyon when it was carved out of Rhône département earlier this year. The general rule is that French départements have their own stub types, but MoL has a special status as a territorial collectivity. This means that it's effectively treated as a separate département but for instance it has retained its old département number which it now shares with Rhône (69). It's a real grey area - I can see arguments both ways. At present there's only one article in there. Le Deluge (talk) 18:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - malformed stub type, aparently no permcat (non-stub category which this category would be associated with), no stub tag. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well that's kind of the point, this is not just about this particular stub category but a deeper question about the whole status of Metropolis of Lyon on Wikipedia. It should have a permcat regardless, as it is a highly significant administrative entity - it's just one that's a few weeks old so noone has got round to it yet. It doesn't have a stub tag because it was created out of process - but that doesn't mean it won't in future, I've invited the stub guys to comment here. Perhaps the closest equivalent would be to imagine if Washington DC was carved out of Maryland today, but kept all the Maryland administration like MD postal addresses, MD number plates and so on. DC would not be a state either technically or in many administrative respects - and it would certainly be less work for Wikipedia to treat it as a subset of Maryland - but I suspect purists would argue that DC deserved its own hierarchy and stub types on Wikipedia.Le Deluge (talk) 10:45, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The way to go about this is first to create and populate a permcat, and then deal with the stub category. Although I wouldn't stop the user from doing both at the same time, creating a malformed stub category, without a stub tag, and populating it directly without also creating and populating a permcat isn't acceptable. To take your analogy, imagine that DC were actually going to become a fully separate state-level entity over the course of a decade; at which point would it deserve a stub category of its own? Hard to tell. However, a permcat structure would certainly need to precede a stub cat structure. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Permcat now exists... Le Deluge (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Metropolis of Lyon is more or less a département, in the same way Corsica, which is also called a territorial collectivity, is essentially a région. French départements have their own stub types, and so should the Metropolis of Lyon. Liam987  (talk)  13:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Internal combustion piston engines

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Internal combustion piston engines to Category:Reciprocating Engines
 * Nominator's rationale: Reciprocating engines is the industry standard for the referencing of Internal Combustion Engines with pistons and more accurately portrays their operation, i.e. the reciprocating motion of a piston. Aron Pye (talk) 15:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose The original is correct, the proposed title would have an obvious and serious overlap with steam engines, which isn't what's needed at all. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, I withdraw this proposal Aron Pye (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:1600s architecture

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1600s architecture to Category:1600s in architecture
 * Nominator's rationale: Usual standard. Such as Category:1600s in Ireland.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – the present naming is the usual standard, see eg Category:1600s works. 'Ireland' and 'architecture' are not comparable. Oculi (talk) 11:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I withdraw this proposal.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:36, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:16th century in music

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator (NAC). DexDor (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:16th century in music to Category:Years of the 16th century in music
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be named to Years of the 16th century in music, per usual standard. Check Category:Years of the 16th century in Ireland, Category:Years of the 16th century in literature.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – looking at say Category:18th century the usual standard does not include the extra 'Years of the'. Moreover there are 3 subcats and about 29 top-level articles which are nothing to do with years. Oculi (talk) 11:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Can you explain the benefit of this change? Would the more concise and broad "16th century in music" be repurposed for something else? If not, I don't really see any benefit. SFB 18:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Category:16th century in art‎, Category:16th century in sports‎, etc. The literature category cited was only just created and shouldn't count as a precedent for a naming scheme. kennethaw88 • talk 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep but tidy up -- The "years" articles are cluttering this category, especially as a lot of them (before 1550) are redirects to a decade article. There seems to be enough content after 1550 to have decade categories (two already exist).  However there is significnat content in the category that is about the century as a whole.  The change that is needed to recategorise the years by decade and to delete the redirects.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw. Proposed modifications can be discussed on my talk page.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:21st century in music

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator (NAC). DexDor (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:21st century in music to Category:Years of the 21st century in music
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be named to Years of the 21st century in music, per usual standard. Check Category:Years of the 21st century in Ireland, Category:Years of the 21st century in literature.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. kennethaw88 • talk 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:17th century in music

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator (NAC). DexDor (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:17th century in music to Category:Years of the 17th century in music
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be named to Years of the 19th century in music, per usual standard. Check Category:Years of the 17th century in Ireland, Category:Years of the 17th century in literature.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. kennethaw88 • talk 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:18th century in music

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator (NAC). DexDor (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:18th century in music to Category:Years of the 18th century in music
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be named to Years of the 18th century in music, per usual standard. Check Category:Years of the 18th century in Ireland, Category:Years of the 18th century in literature.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. kennethaw88 • talk 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:19th century in music

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator (NAC). DexDor (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:19th century in music to Category:Years of the 19th century in music
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be named to Years of the 19th century in music, per usual standard. Check Category:Years of the 19th century in Ireland, Category:Years of the 19th century in literature.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. kennethaw88 • talk 03:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Kosovo building and structure stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kosovo building and structure stubs to Category:European building and structure stubs and Category:Kosovo stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Category has only 33 stubs, and my best efforts have only found possibly 3 more (the transclusions of Kosovo-university-stub, not currently in this category). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:30, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


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Category:The Gambia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:15, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Propose renaming: Rationalle: Per Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:The Gambia to Category:Gambia over redirect
 * Category:The Gambia–United States relations to Category:Gambia–United States relations
 * Category:The Gambia–United Kingdom relations to Category:Gambia–United Kingdom relations
 * Category:The Gambia and the Commonwealth of Nations to Category:Gambia and the Commonwealth of Nations
 * Category:The Gambia–Senegal relations to Category:Gambia–Senegal relations
 * Category:The Gambia – Senegal border to Category:Gambia – Senegal border
 * Category:The Gambia – Senegal border crossings‎ to Category:Gambia – Senegal border crossings‎
 * Category:The Gambia in fiction to Category:Gambia in fiction
 * Category:The Gambia in international cricket to Category:Gambia in international cricket
 * Category:The Gambia international footballers to Category:Gambia international footballers
 * Category:The Gambia at multi-sport events to Category:Gambia at multi-sport events
 * Category:The Gambia at the Commonwealth Games to Category:Gambia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Category:The Gambia at the Olympics to Category:Gambia at the Olympics
 * Category:The Gambia at the Paralympics to Category:Gambia at the Paralympics
 * Category:The Gambia stubs‎ to Category:Gambia stubs‎
 * Category:The Gambia geography stubs to Category:Gambia geography stubs
 * Category:The Gambia templates to Category:Gambia templates over redirect
 * Category:The Gambia political party colour templates to Category:Gambia political party colour templates
 * Category:The Gambia politics and government templates to Category:Gambia politics and government templates
 * Oppose as the main article is at The Gambia and the two previous requested moves of that article (first, second) resulted in no move to simply "Gambia".  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose – per article name and common usage. Oculi (talk) 11:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the article title, but happy to support the change if the article is moved. There is no reason why the two shouldn't match, or any benefit to such a change. SFB 18:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose The country's official name is The Gambia, or so it appears ―  Padenton  &#124;&#9742; 19:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep to match article. kennethaw88 • talk 03:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


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