Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 16



Category:Redirects to titles with ASCII

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 * The result of the discussion was: renamed to Category:Redirects to ASCII-only titles and Category:Redirects from ASCII-only titles. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirects to titles with ASCII to Category:Redirects to ASCII-only titles
 * Propose renaming Category:Redirects from titles with ASCII to Category:Redirects from ASCII-only titles
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The sibling category names Category:Redirects from titles with diacritics and Category:Redirects from titles without diacritics make sense, but not these two. All category names include ASCII characters, which can be typed on a standard keyboard. What is distinctive here is whether the titles contain only ASCII characters. As a case in point, to show why the "with/without diacritics" categories do not cover all cases, the hyphen is an ASCII character but the en-dash ("–", as used in date ranges per WP:DASH) is not. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:03, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I certainly thing that ASCII-only redirects should exist for any topic with a title that includes non-ASCII titles, and also initial release Unicode codepoints-only redirects (without supplementary planes, or later additions) to provide base level compatibility in all cases. If we categorize them, I don't see a problem with that. If the pagename only uses 7-bit ASCII characters, then that's ASCII-only (without any use of the extended Latin ISO-1 or 8-bit EASCII) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: another example is Lichtenstein’s hartebeest with a curly quote, which redirects to Lichtenstein's hartebeest with a plain quote. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Proposed titles are much more descriptive and helpful. – Paine 07:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. It should be noted here that the redirect category (rcat) templates that populate these categories are presently named R to ASCII-only and R from ASCII-only, respectively. PS added by – Paine  19:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Films set in the 10th millennium BC

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename per nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:59, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Films set in the 10th millennium BC to Category:Films set in prehistory
 * Propose renaming Category:11th millennium BC and earlier in fiction‎ to Category:Prehistory in fiction
 * Propose merging Category:10th millennium BC in fiction‎ to Category:Prehistory in fiction (i.e. to the category on the previous line)
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT and for films and 11th millennium also per WP:SMALLCAT. In addition, the timing of this fiction is far from precise, so "prehistory" is much more to the point. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support There is generally no profound difference between the choice of 10th or 11th millenium BC. The choice is an arbitrary one and the usage as a trope is not specifically connected to that millenium, but rather prehistory in general. SFB 17:29, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The time setting of a film is non-defining. The time is generally made up to some extent or other for the film, it is an artistic choice not an intrinsict value.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support to fit the larger category. The time setting of a film is always defining. Dimadick (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support "Prehistory" is an awfully fuzzy identifier. But I don't see the value in narrowly defined categories in this area which results in a lot of small or underpopulated categories. So, I think merging and renaming is preferable if these categories are kept. Liz  Read! Talk! 13:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


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8th century BC

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as specified. MER-C 04:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * NOTE: this was later reversed for births & deaths categories, see Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

See: Category:8th century BC
 * Propose merging Category:701 BC to Category:700s BC
 * Propose merging Category:701 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:702 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:703 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:704 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths


 * Propose merging Category:705 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:707 BC to Category:700s BC
 * Propose merging Category:708 BC births to Category:700s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:709 BC deaths to Category:700s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:710 BC births to Category:710s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:716 BC deaths to Category:710s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:720 BC births to Category:720s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:720 BC deaths to Category:720s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:720 BC establishments to Category:720s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments
 * Propose merging Category:722 BC deaths to Category:720s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:724 BC deaths to Category:720s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:725 BC births to Category:720s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:727 BC deaths to Category:720s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:729 BC establishments to Category:720s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments
 * Propose merging Category:731 BC deaths to Category:730s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:732 BC crimes to Category:730s BC and Category:8th-century BC crimes
 * Propose merging Category:734 BC deaths to Category:730s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:734 BC establishments in Italy to Category:730s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:735 BC establishments in Italy to Category:730s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:739 BC deaths to Category:730s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:740 BC crimes to Category:740s BC and Category:8th-century BC crimes
 * Propose merging Category:741 BC deaths to Category:740s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:745 BC deaths to Category:740s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:746 BC deaths to Category:740s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:750 BC deaths to Category:750s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:752 BC to Category:750s BC
 * Propose merging Category:752 BC crimes to Category:750s BC and Category:8th-century BC crimes
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 753 BC to Category:750s BC and Category:States and territories established in the 8th century BC
 * Propose merging Category:753 BC establishments in Italy to Category:750s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:754 BC deaths to Category:750s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:758 BC deaths to Category:750s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:759 BC deaths to Category:750s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 760 BC to Category:760s BC and Category:States and territories established in the 8th century BC
 * Propose merging Category:761 BC deaths to Category:760s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:764 BC deaths to Category:760s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:766 BC deaths to Category:760s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:771 BC deaths to Category:770s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:773 BC deaths to Category:770s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:778 BC deaths to Category:770s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:782 BC to Category:780s BC
 * Propose merging Category:782 BC deaths to Category:780s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:783 BC deaths to Category:780s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:785 BC deaths to Category:780s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:791 BC deaths to Category:790s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:792 BC deaths to Category:790s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:795 BC deaths to Category:790s BC deaths
 * Propose merging Category:795 BC births to Category:790s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:798 BC deaths to Category:790s BC deaths


 * Propose merging Category:700s BC births to Category:700s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:700s BC establishments to Category:700s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments
 * Propose merging Category:750s BC births to Category:750s BC and Category:8th-century BC births
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in the 760s BC to Category:760s BC and Category:States and territories established in the 8th century BC
 * Propose merging Category:780s BC establishments to Category:780s BC and Category:8th-century BC establishments


 * Propose deleting Category:702 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:703 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:704 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:705 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:709 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:710 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:716 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:720 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:722 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:724 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:725 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:727 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:729 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:731 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:732 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:734 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:734 BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:734 BC establishments by country
 * Propose deleting Category:739 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:740 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:741 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:745 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:746 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:750 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC by country
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC in international relations
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC in Italy
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC establishments by country
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC in Europe
 * Propose deleting Category:753 BC in politics
 * Propose deleting Category:754 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:755 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:755 BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:755 BC establishments by country
 * Propose deleting Category:758 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:759 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:760 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:760 BC by country
 * Propose deleting Category:760 BC in international relations
 * Propose deleting Category:760 BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:760 BC in politics
 * Propose deleting Category:761 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:764 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:766 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:771 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:773 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:778 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:783 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:785 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:791 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:792 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:795 BC
 * Propose deleting Category:798 BC


 * Propose deleting Category:710s BC births
 * Propose deleting Category:710s BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:720s BC births
 * Propose deleting Category:720s BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:730s BC in Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:730s BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:730s BC establishments by country
 * Propose deleting Category:730s BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose deleting Category:750s BC by country
 * Propose deleting Category:750s BC in Europe
 * Propose deleting Category:750s BC in Italy
 * Propose deleting Category:750s BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:750s BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose deleting Category:States and territories established in the 750s BC
 * Propose deleting Category:760s BC establishments
 * Propose deleting Category:790s BC births


 * Propose deleting Category:8th-century BC years by country
 * Propose deleting Category:8th-century BC years by continent
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 8th century BC in Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 8th century BC in Europe
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 8th century BC in Italy


 * Nominator's rationale: Merge and delete. Merge the first ~50 categories per WP:SMALLCAT, usually only one or two articles in each category. After merging, the other categories will become empty. This proposal is merging everything into "general decade" categories, "deaths by decade" and "by topic/location by century" categories. The proposal is similar to the earlier 9th century BC proposal.
 * Note: this will be the last all-century proposal from my side. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Going down to the year is not helping to group related material, and certainly does less so than grouping at the century level in this case. SFB 17:30, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- Keep up the good work of eliminating these miniscule categories that are a hindrance, not an aid, to navigation. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Southern writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, and there is a consensus to rename to something, so rename to  Category:Writers of American Southern literature (lowercase L to match Southern literature). – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting southern writers


 * Nominator's rationale: An absolutely vague category encompassing nearly every writer in the US. Did they write "about" the south, and if so, one book or all of them?  Were they born "in the South", or moved there?  Are modern writers from Atlanta, with no meaningful connection to Dixie, to be included?  Impossibly vague. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * KEEP If Southern literature exists, then presumably there must be Southern writers ie., those who create it.  And it seems to be our de facto position that Southern literature does, indeed, exist, as per the following article:  Southern literature KevinOKeeffe (talk) 00:58, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or rename  the current name is very unclear. If it is for writers of Southern literature and if that is indeed a defining characteristic for the writers of this category (which is still questionable) it should at least be renamed to Category:Writers of Southern literature. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but "writers of Southern literature," is atrocious, from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't think many people will be confused about the meaning of a category that is entitled "Southern writers," particularly when they see its filled with a bunch of, well, Southern writers.  KevinOKeeffe (talk) 15:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * While a rename of the category in line with its main inclusion criterion is apparently not possible, I'll strike my 'or rename' vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, as a vague category, that will lead to confusion. The description and initial items seem to conflate birth location, work location, subject matter, school, and treatment. (A category that includes Thomas Jefferson, Mark Twain, and Edgar Allen Poe as 'southern writers' is not useful. — Neonorange (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or rename the current name does not indicate what it is for; if it is for what the category description says, then it should be Category:Writers who write about the American South. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename if Kept to Category:American Southern literature writers (which matches the format in Category:American romantic fiction writers). Looking at the contents though, I have concerns that the current usage is much broader than that, along the lines of Neonorange above. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Writers of the American South which is clearly unambiguous and in line with the terms used to describe the culture. Southern literature is clearly distinct enough to warrant its own categorisation. SFB 17:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * So do you suggest categorizing by the writer's location? All southern states? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename showhow SFB seems to have the best suggestion yet, but possibly Category:Writers of American Southern Literature might be even better. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If kept, I would strongly prefer Category:Writers of American Southern Literature over Category:Writers of the American South in order to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete That a distinct body of literature exists does not mean it is easy or useful to define writers are belonging to it. Mark Twain in some of his works might seem to fit this, however he produced most of his work while resident in either California or Connecticut, and much of his work would be part of Western Literature or New England literature. Unlike in the case of Westerns, where it is clear it is a genere, it is unclear whether this is a genre of the work or based on the creator being in some way "Southern". Lastly the boundaries of the south are too contested for easy classification. Many Southerners will deny that Maryland is part of the south for example.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename although I think Category:American Southern literature writers, Category:Writers of American Southern Literature and Category:Writers of the American South are equally clunky replacements. I think that the important elements to this case is that there is an identifiable genre of fiction called Southern literature. But Category:Southern writers is too vague and could refer to writers from the Southern hemisphere. I think the important, defining elements of a rename are "American", "Southern" and "writers" so I guess my preference would simply be Category:American Southern writers although this might not get general approval.  Liz  Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 13:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


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