Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 18



Category:Birds of the Palestinian territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of the Palestinian territories to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Palestine)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Bahrain to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Bahrain)
 * * Propose merging Category:Birds of Egypt to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Egypt)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Iran to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Iran)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Iraq to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Iraq)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Israel to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Israel)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Jordan to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Jordan)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Kuwait to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Kuwait)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Lebanon to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Lebanon and Category:Important Bird Areas of Lebanon)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Oman to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Oman)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Qatar to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Qatar)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Saudi Arabia to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Saudi Arabia)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Syria to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge List of birds of Syria and Wadi al-Qarn – Burqush Important Bird Area)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of the United Arab Emirates to Category:Birds of the Middle East (upmerge    List of birds of the United Arab Emirates)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Yemen to Category:Birds of the Middle East (List of birds of Yemen)
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Socotra to Category:Birds of the Middle East
 * Nominator's rationale: That, for example, the Marsh harrier, Osprey or Mourning wheatear is found in the Palestinian territories is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic. The House bunting article is currently in 31 "Birds of" categories.  The lists should also be upmerged to the relevant Fauna-of-Fooland category.  For info: Related CFD: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_8. DexDor(talk) 21:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge That one article can be in 31 locational categories shows we have engaged in over-categorization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge Boita are best categorised on a wider basis than country, here by subcontinent. The problem is with agreeing where the subcontinent ends.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point, I've removed Egypt from the nom as that probably should be upmerged to Africa (or the articles moved individually to the appropriate parent(s)) (even though, for some reason, that category isn't currently under Category:Birds of Africa). We probably should also restrict Category:Birds of the Middle East to exclude Egypt - that way a future merge up to Category:Birds of Asia would be easier. DexDor(talk) 06:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge per nomination. --76.175.67.121 (talk) 18:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge - I agree with the above. Neutralitytalk 01:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Gypsies

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Gypsies to Category:Fictional Romani People
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. G*psy is a slur


 * Oppose it should be split to Romani, since not all the contents are Romani. Indeed in fiction, "gypsy" is not the same as "Gypsy", since there are many fictional gypsies that have nothing to do with the Romani, as in fiction "gypsy" is used to mean a wandering people, without relation to Romani at all. Indeed in Science Fiction and Fantasy, there are many non-human people labelled as "gypsies" as their only racial/ethnic identifier. Being non-human they cannot ever be Romani. Even in real life, there are many groups of wandering people unrelated to the Romani called "gypsy". We do not all live in Europe, the identification of "Gypsy" with "Romani" is only strong in Europe, outside of it, it is also associated with general wanderers. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 21:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Romani is the accepted term. In the United States the two terms are accepted as the same. Much of this fiction serves to support various schemes of discrimination against Romani, and should be analized and exposed as such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment A study of the contents will show that the people involved are identified as Romani in the literature in question. Maybe not by name, but based on the word usage of the time, that is who is meant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. --76.175.67.121 (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support as consistent with parent categories. --Inyouchuu shoku (talk) 07:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support I have friends who self-identify as inuit, romani, or navajo descent, and they all take offense to cultural stereotypes and reject to being "labeled" by others. --Omanyd (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Sinn Féin MPs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Sinn Féin MPs (UK) to Category:Sinn Féin MPs. MER-C 12:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sinn Féin MPs to Category:Sinn Féin MPs (UK)
 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - could we merge them the other way? The UK seems a little redundant to me. SF's members of the Irish parliaments are not referred to as MPs but as TDs and MLAs. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support reverse merge per above. The "UK" part is superfluous.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge. We may need a "see also" capnote for MLAs and TDs, if only to avoid miscategorisation.  I assume that Sinn Fein never had seats on the old NI Parliament.  There were MPs before 1922 see List of Sinn Féin MPs, but they can probably go in the same category, unless we split before and after 1922.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge as above. Neutralitytalk 01:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty pageants in Cambodia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete while finding the category emptied already. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting beauty pageants in cambodia


 * Nominator's rationale: Category not useful with just one item The Banner talk 11:44, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge probably to Beauty Pageants, or add more categoiries to the one article. The present suggestion would leave the article inadequately categorised.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (or upmerge). WP:SMALLCAT. Neutralitytalk 22:00, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty pageants in Kurdistan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Beauty pageants. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting beauty pageants in kurdistan


 * Nominator's rationale: A category for just one item is not useful The Banner talk 11:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge probably to Beauty Pageants, or add more categoiries to the one article. The present suggestion would leave the article inadequately categorised.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (upmerge) as above. WP:SMALLCAT. Neutralitytalk 22:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:LOFAR stations

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, so rename to Category:LOFAR to match the lead article, by analogy with Category:Square Kilometre Array. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lofar stations


 * Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are not articles about LOFAR stations; they are articles about establishments/institutes (e.g. Leibniz Institute for Astrophysics Potsdam) at which there is a LOFAR station. Such articles are categorized in categories like Category:Astronomical observatories in Germany.  Having a LOFAR station is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic for such places.  A list is the appropriate way to record this information and there is already such a list at LOFAR.  Example of a previous (somewhat) similar CFD: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_February_3. DexDor(talk) 06:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Due to the nature of the LOFAR telescope deployment, most stations are located close to or on the grounds of existing observatories. That's because the requirements for construction, maintenance, connectivity and low radio interference are significantly lower close to an existing radio astronomy facility. The number of LOFAR stations will grow, with 3-4 planned for 2015 alone. Most of them will be again placed close to the site of an existing radio telescope. Given that LOFAR is currently (by far) the most advanced instrument of it's type, hence a location being a LOFAR station is certainly of importance, especially to the astronomers using the telescope. The location of a station is of importance due to several factors related to radio interferometry, such as distance from the core of the system. A common category will also make navigation between article for LOFAR stations be more convenient for reader. Deepdraft(talk) 06:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename -- LOFAR is an acronym of Low Frequency Array, a type of radio telescope, perhaps to Low Frequency Array telescopes. I have not read far enough to see how far they operate together.  In some branches of astronomy, telescopes in differnet places are used simultaneously to achieve better results than any could alone.  If so, there is a coherence greater than in the case of the membership categories for associations of universities, which we are regularly deleting.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * (If the category is kept) then I don't think "LOFAR" needs expanding; the article is at LOFAR and we have categories using similar (albeit better known) acronyms. In an article such as Nançay radio telescope the reference to LOFAR is just in a "includes several other" list - it doesn't appear to be a defining characteristic of the facility. DexDor(talk) 22:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support I think that LOFAR stations might not be the best name for the category, as the category can be used for more LOFAR related facilities, not only stations. I am not sure about going as far as giving it a generic name, such as Low Frequency Array telescopes. Deepdraft(talk) 08:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, there aren't any articles (except for the epynomous article) about LOFAR. Alternative rename proposals just seem to ignore this fact. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Mission of PBM

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mission of pbm


 * Nominator's rationale: Unclear name, no parents, contains just one page (a draft). DexDor(talk) 05:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This is being used to categorise a rather bad article sitting in a user's sandbox. That article is also categoirised "Vision": it may be that the organisation described has a vision, but it should not be so categorised.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


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