Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 27



Category:People killed by the Turkish Armed Forces

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people killed by the turkish armed forces


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one person in the category, not likely for expansion. SMALLCAT, NONDEF. MSJapan (talk) 21:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I suspect that the category is capable of being further populated. The story is during a Greek Cyriot incursion into Tutkish-occupied northern Cyprus a man attempted to interfere with the Turish flag and was shot for doing so.  What about people killed in the 1974 invasion of northern Cyprus or during the Turkish War of Inspendence?  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply - What he did was irrelevant to the fact that there's only one artice in the cat. So we're going to keep his cat just so we can find somebody to make a bunch of BIO1E articles just for the sake of populating the cat?  By and large, we do not list every war victim - otherwise we'd have hit the 6 million mark of articles just on Holocaust victims.  People are killed in wars, and very rarely is it a defining characteristic. MSJapan (talk) 23:29, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. I've proposed that the article be renamed from an article about a person to an article about an event (that's really what the topic is). This would have the effect of removing the article from "People..." categories. DexDor(talk) 07:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not a useful way to define people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:22, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. There's definitely room for expansion; any notable people among the Allied dead at Gallipoli Campaign or the Mesopotamian campaign would be includable, and that's just one war.  There are several hundred years worth of category members, going back to people like Constantine XI Palaiologos, Emperor of the Romans, in the fifteenth century.  However, I agree with JPL that this simply isn't a useful way to categorise people.  Nyttend (talk) 04:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm the creator of this category. Unfortunately some users removed this category from articles. e.g. Adnan Menderes, Rüştü Zorlu, Deniz Gezmiş, Hasan Polatkan. Anyway I leave this category to you. See also: Category:People killed by the Israel Defense Forces, Category:People killed by the United States Armed Forces Takabeg (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


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A few more award categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge  Category:Recipients of the Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross to  Category:Recipients of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross; delete the others. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting knights of honour and devotion of the order of st john?


 * Propose deleting knights and dames of the collar of the equestrian order of the holy sepulchre?


 * Propose deleting recipients of the star of the grand cross of the iron cross


 * Propose deleting knights of the order of saint john (bailiwick of brandenburg)


 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of the german eagle


 * Propose deleting recipients of the grand cross of the order of the german eagle


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, per WP:NONDEF, per previous discussion and many discussions before. The first three categories are mainly heads of state, nobility, ministers and generals to whom the granting of the order is merely a gesture. In the latter three categories there are not just heads of state, politicians etc. but nevertheless the awards are not defining at all for the persons of those categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Neutral on Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross/Delete Other 5. As the top military honor in Prussia and early Germany, Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross probably is defining but there are only 2 recipients. The rest are clearly not defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete first two. Keep the rest.  My view is that honours granted to heads of state and ministers of foreign countries, evidently for diplomatic reasons should not be the subject of categories.  However, those given by a state to its own citizens as a mark of honour for their achievements should be allowed.  The third item has only two names, those of outstanding Prussian generals, but the fact that awards were so scarce is in fact a reason for keeping it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I can imagine the doubts about Category:Recipients of the Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross. For the 4th to 6th category, though the awards are given to their own citizens, they are really not a defining characteristic across the articles. People in these categories are notable for other more important reasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete all none of these awards are defining to the recipients.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep the Star. This is the highest grade of a highly prominent Prussian/German decoration.  Yes, the category is small, but that's because it was only twice awarded, vaguely comparable to the US Medal of Honor with oak cluster.  It could stand to be merged into Category:Recipients of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross (I would support such a merger), but outright deleting it or merging it into a much lower-on-the-tree category would be a bad idea.  Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Suicidology

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Suicidology to Category:Suicide
 * Nominator's rationale: The items in this category have nothing to do with the study of suicide, except that they like all other topics can be studied. The "Suicidology" Wikipedia article might not even pass AfD if it were submitted as it is an essay and original research. All of these topics would fit well into the category for suicide.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  20:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. These can all be in the suicide category. Neutralitytalk 21:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. As Neutrality says they are better in the target, but that would not necessarily be the result of his vote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Comment: "-ology" categories should be just for articles about the study of the relevant topic. DexDor(talk) 07:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Hyde F.C.

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hyde F.C. to Category:Hyde United F.C.
 * Category:Hyde F.C. managers to Category:Hyde United F.C. managers
 * Category:Hyde F.C. players to Category:Hyde United F.C. players
 * Category:Hyde F.C. templates to Category:Hyde United F.C. templates
 * Nominator's rationale: The club has been renamed (see here).  Del ♉ sion 23  (talk)  17:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 17:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom. GiantSnowman 17:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support but really should have been a speedy rename (WP:C2D) rather than a full CfD. Number   5  7  09:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Thompson albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Thompson (folk rock band) albums. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:32, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thompson albums


 * Nominator's rationale: Category not needed. Contains only one entry, for a single album recorded by an ensemble. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I thought that based on WP:MOS-ALBUM I had to create that category, as it states that "Each album should be placed in the two categories,  and  ".Dennisthemonkeychild (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep but rename, as Thompson is a dab page. Albums should indeed all be in a 'by artist' category. Oculi (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Thompson (folk rock band) albums? Dennisthemonkeychild (talk) 15:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Olympic medalists for Great Britain

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Propose renaming: Rationalle: Per ENGVAR - the word is spelled "medallist" in the UK. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:Olympic medalists for Great Britain to Category:Olympic medallists for Great Britain
 * Category:Olympic gold medalists for Great Britain to Category:Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain
 * Category:Olympic silver medalists for Great Britain to Category:Olympic silver medallists for Great Britain
 * Category:Olympic bronze medalists for Great Britain to Category:Olympic bronze medallists for Great Britain
 * Category:English Olympic medalists to Category:English Olympic medallists
 * Category:Scottish Olympic medalists to Category:Scottish Olympic medallists
 * Category:Welsh Olympic medalists to Category:Welsh Olympic medallists
 * Category:British Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British Olympic medallist stubs
 * Category:British athletics Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British athletics Olympic medallist stubs
 * Category:British field hockey Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British field hockey Olympic medallist stubs
 * Category:British swimming Olympic medalist stubs to Category:British swimming Olympic medallist stubs
 * Category:Scottish Olympic medalist stubs to Category:Scottish Olympic medallist stubs


 * Support renaming any "medallist" category that is particular to British athletes. Most of the related British athlete categories for the Commonwealth Games and other international competitions already use the British spelling.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support all – it is indeed medallist in the UK. Oculi (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


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Category:jewish crimes

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted WP:G7. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:33, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting catagory


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty, motivated by SPA editor that wants to promote BATTLEGROUND and edit war over contents -- Aronzak (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - POV pushing category (examine creator's other recent contributions). There is nothing "Jewish" about the crimes listed in this category, it is merely a clear antisemitic attempt to list Jewish criminals. Brad Dyer (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt There is no such thing as a "Jewish crime". There are, of course, Jewish criminals; and these are included in relevant categories, such as Category:Jewish-American mobsters. This category is a nasty POV attack, trying to equate all Jews with criminals, and it has no place on Wikipedia. RolandR (talk) 17:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Question The category is a red lik. Is it already deleted or is there a typo in the nomination? RevelationDirect (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Answer: it is Catagory: jewish crimes - mis-spelled and mis-capitalised. WP:AGF incompetence or something else. See Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Pam  D  07:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy close -- Some one seems to have deleted it already. If it exiusted it ought to be Category:Jewish crimes, but I cannot imagine what crimes could be specifically Jewish.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Historical gangs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all to use former. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 02:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of WP:C2C, bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree. This nomination would change "historical" to "defunct" to match one parent category, Category:Defunct organizations, and change "of" to "in" to match the other parent category, Category:Gangs by city. My concern is that "historical" could also mean an old but still active gang but these categories are only intended to group gangs that no longer exist. (The preposition change was at Fayenatic's request and based on Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 12.) RevelationDirect (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Historical gangs renaming to Category:Defunct gangs


 * Category:Historical gangs by city renaming to Category:Defunct gangs by city
 * Category:Historical gangs of London renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in London
 * Category:Historical gangs of the United States renaming to Defunct gangs in the United States
 * Category:Historical gangs of the United States by city renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in the United States by city
 * Category:Historical gangs of New York City renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in New York City
 * Category:Historical gangs of Baltimore, Maryland renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in Baltimore, Maryland
 * Category:Historical gangs of Chicago, Illinois renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in Chicago, Illinois
 * Category:Historical gangs of Detroit, Michigan renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in Detroit, Michigan
 * Category:Historical gangs of New Orleans, Louisiana renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in New Orleans, Louisiana
 * Category:Historical gangs of San Francisco, California renaming to Category:Defunct gangs in San Francisco, California


 * Note: Notified 152.163.100.138 as the apparent category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography. – RevelationDirect (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Background & Alternative Rename I originally ran this through the speedy renaming process but thought "former" would be a better adjective for gangs.RevelationDirect (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename to "former gangs", which IMHO is a better wording in this case, despite the majority use of "defunct" in sibling categories. Thanks for this full and clear nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would definitely favor this alternative over the current name. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * rename to former -- A while back, we had a long series of discussions over "former" categories. This was on the basis that WP disparaged a present/former distinction.  Personally, I prefer former to defunct.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * rename to former this sounds better to me.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


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