Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 3



Category:The Slap

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 07:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the slap


 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a novel and its two television adaptations. Per WP:OC, every television series does not automatically get one of these just because it exists; a television series gets one of these if, and only if, there's enough spinoff content to justify it for navigational purposes. But with just the three eponyms and nothing else to be filed here, this isn't needed — the three articles can and do already link to each other in body text without requiring a category to keep them bundled. Bearcat (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Very limited content that does not require such navigation. Not suitable at this time. SFB 21:24, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:People from Meizhou

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 * The result of the discussion was: purge of people who are not individually from Meizhou. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:People from Meizhou to Category:People from Meizhou and Category:People of Meizhou descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Split. Right now, this category (more so, its subcategories by county-level divisions) contains and are explicitly stated to include persons whose ancestries are from Meizhou, but I believe that this is a poor way of trying to serve multiple purposes. Based on the Taishan precedent (see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_December_7), I believe that a "from" category to serve those who are born there (or, at least, had lived there a substantial amount of time) and a "of descent" category would better reflect reality.  --Nlu (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Purge "People from" categories require the person to have a substantial connection with the place, by birth or residence; if it is merely by descent they should be in a descent category. Category:People of Meizhou descent is probably too specific.  Rather than create that the purged items should go into a higher level descent category.  Should it be "Cantonese"?  I am not quite sure.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is too specific - Guangdong is a place of 106.4 million people, and I think Meizhou descent has a relatively distinct identity. (I assume you were referring to Category:Cantonese people.)  --Nlu (talk) 02:20, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Meizhou doesn't appear to be an ethnicity or nationality, thus your proposition suggests a logic similar to something like Category:People of Texan descent (i.e. for people whose ancestors were from an area with much self-identification, but which does not have nation status). I don't think a sub-national descent category is helpful – certainly the national and ethnic descent categories are already a mess that I don't think warrants more subdivision. No opposition to gather this as a list. Given the article size, this could even be included at the main Meizhou, or alternatively you could work on new content for Meizhou people instead. SFB 21:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing the point of the proposal a bit. In the abstract, I agree that the idea of distinctive "ancestry" may be overblown, but the point is that other editors - perhaps more Chinese-cultured than I am - view it as important (and ancestral origin appears to be even more strongly viewed among the Cantonese people than with people of origins from other parts of the Chinese-speaking world), which led to the messy phenomenon that I described above in the proposal (people who aren't actually from Meizhou at all being placed in the category).  Sure, I can prune the people who really aren't from Meizhou from the tree; they will be reverted/returned.  Gathering as a list doesn't work - because that will make it even more tempting for editors to add those people back.  Splitting the category allows hopefully some sense of sanity here. --Nlu (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the argument for this category should come from the editors in favour of re-adding this category. It doesn't sound like you have the resources to prove that this kind of descent is distinct enough to warrant creation of any entirely new locational-descent style tree. SFB 00:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Purge category of all people who merely descent from Meizhou, a prefecture-level city. We have categories of descent for ethnicities and nationalities, not cities. By this logic we could have well populated categories for Category:People of Tokyo descent, Category:People of New York City descent, Category:People of Lagos descent, Category:People of Moscow descent, etc. Cities with a greater population, history, and "diaspora" than Meizhou. Dimadick (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Considering how culturally distinctive both Utah and Texas are, I could see arguments for creating Category:People of Utah descent and Category:People of Texan descent.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Purge per Peterkingiron and Dimadick. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:History of the Republic of Kosovo

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting history of the republic of kosovo


 * Nominator's rationale: Already exist as Category:History of Kosovo  Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  19:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose, history of Kosovo refers to the entire history of the Kosovo region, while Republic of Kosovo only refers to the most recent part of history. Note: even if rationale would be right, it should have been a merge proposal instead of a delete proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, merge would be actually good thing. Please, its empty, can you delete/merge/redirect this, whateveer you think its good. -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  18:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Why merge? Category:History of the Republic of Kosovo is a subcategory of Category:History of Kosovo. And it has enough articles. Similar situation with Category:History of the Republic of Macedonia and Category:History of Macedonia. Also merge? --Glovacki (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But what will be in there? I am ok to have it, but why? It would have 10000000 articles then. Macedonia covers far bigger region then Kosovo, and Republic of Macedonia is only part of Macedonia, so those two are not the same. -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  20:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose; "History of the Republic of Kosovo" is an entirely reasonable subcategory of "History of Kosovo". bobrayner (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is Stalker. -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  20:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is Categories for discussion. You decided to delete a category which was recently added to articles on my watchlist. If you have a more coherent or policy-based response, I look forward to it. bobrayner (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, everyone here believe you. Me too. -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  20:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The category is empty now, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't empty on 3 May. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Anastan emptied the category whilst nominating it for deletion:  . bobrayner (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Anastan, please put the articles back in this category. It is highly inappropriate to empty a category while the category is still being discussed. If the closer of this discussion would decide to delete the category, he or she will take care of deleting the content. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:27, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That was already done in the same day, i just removed 3 articles that was added few hours before that. It still needs to be discussed WHAT will be in this category, as it can be quite big. -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  09:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting them back. I'm not really following you with the problem it might get too big. If it happens, child categories can be created. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose Is a legitimate subcat with lots of potential to grow. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment If you insist on keeping it, then make sure to clarify that this category "only refers to the most recent part of history" (as said above), as to not have two overlapping categories. The Republic of Kosovo can only be seen as such after 2008.--Z oupan 01:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair point, I changed the header just now. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Subcategory Category:Massacres in Kosovo includes events from 2003. Does it truly belong here or in category Category:History of Kosovo? Dimadick (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It belongs in Category:History of Kosovo for sure. Currently, Category:History of the Republic of Kosovo contains only two valid articles, but there is plenty opportunity for growth. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I did some purging and some populating just now. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge This category scheme overemphasizes the change in 2008, ignoring that Kosovo was functionally outside the control of Serbia from 1999 on. At best this category is too soon. A seperate article works, but I see no reason to have a seperate category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it's a matter of overemphasizing. A declaration of independence (as happened in Kosovo in 2008) is a pretty important event in the history of a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Filmfare Best Tamil Movie Award winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, as already listed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Filmfare Best Tamil Movie Award winners to Category:Filmfare Best Tamil Film Award winners
 * Nominator's rationale: "Movie" is informal, and not officially part of the award's title - Filmfare Award for Best Film – Tamil. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * (If kept) rename per nom. However, is this a sufficiently imnpoortant award to fit the exception in WP:OC.  The Oscars (Academy Awards) do, but many lesser awards do not.  The usual outcome there is Listify and delete.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peter. For info: there is a list at Filmfare Award for Best Film – Tamil. DexDor(talk) 05:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Films released on home video

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 07:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films released on home video


 * Nominator's rationale: The most non-defining, over-large category possible. This would be a category for almost every significant film ever. It's far more notable for a film not to have received a home video release. oknazevad (talk) 16:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as being non-defining.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Way too broad to be useful as a category. kennethaw88 • talk 22:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete but keep the subcategory tree, Category:Direct-to-video films. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Culture of Kosala

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:35, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting culture of kosala


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. As discussed in Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_57, the category does not have any articles related to Kosala, but all to modern Odisha. -- Shiti (talk) 10:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Please delete. I also find the same -- Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 10:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Question Should we merge this with Category:Culture of Odisha?RevelationDirect (talk) 12:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply: I have already categorized those articles in either 'Culture of Odisha' or according to respective district. Now this unnecessary category (Culture of Kosala) need to be deleted. If some article is missed please categorize it and then delete "Culture of Kosala".-- Shiti (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nomination and clarification, above. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete following clarification. We deplore emptying before nomination; but where the outcome might have been a multiple merge, which the nom has effectively already undertaken by adding the target categories, it would be helpful if that was stated.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Streets in Attica

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Streets of Athens are already in the Streets of Greece hierarchy, by city. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Streets in Attica to Category:Roads in Attica
 * Propose Deleting Category:Streets in Greece by region
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category. Attica is the region around Athens. The only thing in this category is Category:Streets in Athens so it's completely redundant with Category:Roads in Attica. Conceptually this category is also problematic: qccording to the article, streets are urbanized roads next to buildings so grouping them by city makes sense; grouping them by rural regions does not. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: Notified PanchoS as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Greece. – RevelationDirect (talk) 04:11, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, would also merge Category:Streets in Attica to Category:Streets in Greece in order to keep the streets of Athens in the Streets tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Firearms manufacturers by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all to firearm manufacturers. Discussions regarding how to evaluate which country to put articles in is not for CFD. That discussion can be held at the individual articles or at Category talk:Firearms manufacturers by country or at Category names or at Category_names or plenty of other places. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Firearms manufacturers by nationality to Category:Firearms manufacturers by country
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Argentina‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Argentina‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Australia‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Australia‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Austria‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Austria‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Belgium‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Belgium‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Brazil‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Brazil‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Canada‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Canada‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Chile‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Chile‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in China‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of China‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Croatia‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Croatia‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in the Czech Republic‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of the Czech Republic‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Denmark‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Denmark‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Finland‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Finland‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in France‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of France‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Germany to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Germany
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Greece‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Greece‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in India‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of India‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Israel‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Israel‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Italy to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Italy
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Japan‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Japan‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Malaysia‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Malaysia‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Pakistan‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Pakistan‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in the Philippines‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of the Philippines‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Poland‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Poland‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Russia to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Russia
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Serbia to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Serbia
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in South Korea‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of South Korea‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Spain‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Spain‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Sweden‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Sweden‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in Switzerland‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of Switzerland‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in the United Kingdom‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of the United Kingdom‎
 * Category:Firearms manufacturers in the United States‎ to Category:Firearms manufacturers of the United States‎
 * Nominator's rationale: By-country subcategories of all " by country" categories are named "... of country", per Category names. In this case, the applicable conventions are Category:Defence companies by country (not nationality) and Category:Manufacturing companies by country (again, not nationality). -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. kennethaw88 • talk 22:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support for parent However, keep the rest. The criterion should be where the factory lies not which country it belongs to, so that we should kep the "in" format.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Is the same criteria applied throughout the rest of Category:Manufacturing companies by country? -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Question. Should it be "Firearms" or "Firearm" (Cf. Category:Car manufacturers by country - not "Cars manufacturers...") ? DexDor(talk) 05:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I support "Firearm" for all nominated categories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support for parent But, as said, it's easier to categorize them by where the factory is physically located, not by who owns it., I agree; the "s" is probably incorrect. Faceless Enemy (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not necessarily the case. The articles in these categories are not always about factories; in many cases, they are about companies with multiple production sites.  Take Heckler & Koch, for example—a German manufacturer with locations in France, the United Kingdom, and the United States. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support all as explained by Balck Falcon, but use "firearm". – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. A company can be fairly well connected with a specific country, and if it is linked with mutiple countries for whatever reason, this is defining to it. Where the factory is that puts the firearm together is not defining, because this could be a long way from where it was designed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support all, but note that overall parent is Category:Firearms so should subcategories including these use “Firearms” not “Firearm”? Re country of design, the Bren light machine gun and the Vickers light machine gun were Czech and French designs made in Britain (the Bren is apparently still made in India). The Lewis gun was designed by an American and apparently orginally made (c1913) in Belgium but primarily manufactured in Britain.  Hugo999 (talk) 22:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename all to "Firearm manufacturers of" country, with no prejudice for fixing the entire tree - we have, not "Cars manufacturers", and similar for other categories, because that's how English works. As for the issue of "in" versus "of", I don't see any difference between the firearms category subtree and the rest of the category tree. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


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