Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 30



Category:Vitamin B1

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) sst✈(discuss) 08:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Vitamin B1 to Category:Thiamine
 * Nominator's rationale: Per name of main article of category, Thiamine. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Could have been a speedy nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, but keep the old name as a category redirect. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, leaving a redirect. The present name is a likely search term.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Defunct comics

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Defunct comics, Category:Defunct American comics and Category:Defunct British comics. This category was created a long time ago, before comics were categorized by year of introduction and conclusion. A few months back all comics series that were terminated have an end year category. So is there really a need anymore for an article that is simply called "Defunct comics"? - User:Kjell Knudde, 15:34, November 30, 2015, (CET)


 * The question is whether a categorization of defunct comics by end year would exclude a categorization of defunct comics by country. I don't think so (yet). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting point. Categorizing them by country of origin may still warrant a necessary list. At the same time I have problems with the definition of this category. How do you define something is "defunct"? Does it refer to comics where no new episodes are produced (like Peanuts, Tintin) or does it refer to comics that are no longer available on the regular market (trying to obtain a copy of Dolly Dimples or Abe Martin of Brown County nowadays will not be simple) ? What about comics that are terminated, but have a homage comic book published by other artists now and then? (Peanuts and The Lighter Side of..., for instance). What about comics series that laid dormant for several decades and are suddenly rebooted by a different artist in a different style? And does Category:One-shot comic titles belong into Category:Defunct comics as a subcategory? Perhaps a more clear and specific definition could be handy? - User:Kjell Knudde 14:27, December 11, 2015 (UTC).
 * I also discovered that there is a page called "Category:Defunct magazines", which subcategorizes magazines by country as "Category:Defunct magazines of France", "Defunct magazines of China", "Defunct magazines of Mexico",...[] and so on. Shouldn't the "Defunct American comics" and "Defunct British comics" category be renamed in line with that category, something like "Defunct comics of the United States" and "Defunct comics of the United Kingdom" ? - User:Kjell Knudde 13:41, December 14, 2015 (UTC).
 * I personally find the Category:Defunct British comics very useful - the British comic in the past was an interesting animal and most of the interesting ones are now defunct, and I don't always know which year they ceased publication, so the plain list as it is works well for me. But I wish that a lot of these Category pages were in fact tables with sortable columns ... in this case: Name of Comic, year of first publication, (original) publisher, last published (date and publisher, if different) and possibly a thumbnail image of a front cover.  I wonder if that could be done?? Maitchy (talk) 03:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's certainly interesting to have an overview of comics no longer in production. But I still wonder if it's necessary when almost all comics now have a debut and ending category and in the case of the comics magazines even an establishment and disestablishment category? Also, there is no category for "Defunct radio shows", "Defunct television series" and/or "Defunct film series". Perhaps an article listing "comics no longer in syndication" or "comics definitely terminated", or something among those lines, would be more useful, because then you can also add sources to back up the claim that these comics are definitely terminated. As for your question about adding sortable columns: most pages have an infobox providing that information. I have added several myself and you can add those too if you have the time. - User:Kjell Knudde 7:43, December 5, 2015 (CET).


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Move to "... adapted into..."

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename both. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Television programs which were adapted for radio and Category:Radio series that were transferred to television: Both are useful categories, which list radio adaptations of TV shows and TV adaptations of radio shows, but the titles are very long and quite confusing. Plus similar categories are all named "... adapted into ...", see for instance here on the page Category:Works adapted into radio programs and Category:Works adapted into television programs. I would suggest a name change for both of them into "Category:Television programs adapted into radio programs" and "Category:Radio programs adapted into television programs", so that they are more in line with the other categories. I use "programs" rather than "series", so that all kinds of radio or TV emissions can be covered. - User:Kjell Knudde 14:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC).


 * Support shorter and more consistent naming. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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Move from various titles about cultural depictions of celebrities to the standard "Cultural depictions of..."

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 * The result of the discussion was: close as:

– Fayenatic  L ondon 19:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Attila the Hun in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Attila the Hun
 * Rename Category:Jesus in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Jesus
 * Rename Category:Vladimir Lenin in culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Vladimir Lenin
 * Rename Category:Barbra Streisand in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Barbra Streisand
 * Rename Category:Leon Trotsky in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Leon Trotsky
 * Rename Category:George W. Bush in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of George W. Bush
 * Rename Category:Depictions of Abraham Lincoln in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln
 * Merge Category:Abraham Lincoln in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln
 * Rename Category:Richard Nixon in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Richard Nixon (over new category)
 * Rename Category:Barack Obama in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Barack Obama
 * Rename Category:Theodore Roosevelt in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Theodore Roosevelt
 * Rename Category:Depictions of Genghis Khan to Category:Cultural depictions of Genghis Khan
 * Rename Category:Bao Zheng in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Bao Zheng
 * Rename Category:Jack the Ripper in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Jack the Ripper
 * Rename Category:Leonardo da Vinci in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Leonardo da Vinci
 * Rename Category:Adolf Hitler in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Adolf Hitler (over redirect)
 * Rename Category:Augustus in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Augustus
 * Rename Category:Su Shi in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Su Shi
 * Rename Category:Depictions of Nero to Category:Cultural depictions of Nero
 * Rename Category:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
 * Rename Category:Ludwig van Beethoven in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Ludwig van Beethoven
 * Rename Category:Parodies of Christian Bale to Category:Cultural depictions of Christian Bale
 * Rename Category:Josef Breuer in fiction to Category:Cultural depictions of Josef Breuer
 * Rename Category:Depictions of Caligula on film to Category:Cultural depictions of Caligula


 * Category:Attila the Hun in popular culture, Category:Jesus in popular culture, Category:Vladimir Lenin in culture, Category:Barbra Streisand in popular culture, Category:Leon Trotsky in popular culture, Category:George W. Bush in fiction, Category:Depictions of Abraham Lincoln in popular culture, Category:Abraham Lincoln in fiction, Category:Richard Nixon in popular culture, Category:Barack Obama in fiction, Category:Theodore Roosevelt in popular culture, Category:Depictions of Genghis Khan, Category:Bao Zheng in fiction, Category:Jack the Ripper in fiction, Category:Leonardo da Vinci in fiction, Category:Adolf Hitler in fiction, Category:Augustus in popular culture, Category:Su Shi in fiction, Category:Depictions of Nero, Category:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart in popular culture, Category:Ludwig van Beethoven in popular culture:  All these categories are definitely useful. However: I would like to suggest renaming all of them to the phrase that is used the most in other similar categories, namely "Category:Cultural depictions of...". See here, for comparison: Category:Cultural depictions of Presidents of the United States and Category:Depictions of people in popular culture, where most of the other categories about celebrities are also named "Category:Cultural depictions of...". Also, Category:Abraham Lincoln in fiction and Category:Depictions of Abraham Lincoln in popular culture could perhaps better be merged as one category: Category:Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln. - User:Kjell Knudde, 14:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC).


 * Category:Parodies of Christian Bale, Category:Josef Breuer in fiction and Category:Depictions of Caligula on film: And while we're at it: these categories have very few entries. - User:Kjell Knudde, 15:01, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support The uniform title would also enforce certain automatic alphabetic order for convenience. Brandmeistertalk  14:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Ham II (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: the proposal is to rename Category:Jesus in popular culture to Category:Cultural depictions of Jesus, but in at least that case there is an existing Category:Depictions of Jesus for depictions in the visual arts. I guess the latter could become a sub-cat, but at present it seems to me that they serve distinct functions. Also, most or all person-specific sub-cats of Category:Fictional versions of real people seem to have been nominated here, but the proposal would remove their contents from that hierarchy; we might end up with people putting even more articles directly into that category, to the detriment of clear navigation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Partial support: support rename of Category:Attila the Hun in popular culture, Category:Jesus in popular culture, Category:Vladimir Lenin in culture, Category:Barbra Streisand in popular culture, Category:Leon Trotsky in popular culture, Category:Depictions of Abraham Lincoln in popular culture, Category:Richard Nixon in popular culture, Category:Theodore Roosevelt in popular culture, Category:Depictions of Genghis Khan, Category:Augustus in popular culture, Category:Depictions of Nero, Category:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart in popular culture, Category:Ludwig van Beethoven in popular culture and Category:Parodies of Christian Bale. However for all 'in fiction' categories and for Caligula I think it's better to keep them and create cultural depictions parent categories on top of them, like is already the case with Abraham Lincoln. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * But doesn't that add to further confusion? I personally don't see much difference between Abraham Lincoln in fiction and Abraham Lincoln in popular culture, other than the title. Is "fiction" meant for serious depictions, like biopics, and "in popular culture" for depictions of a humoristic nature, like cartoons, comics and comedy films? In the end all of them are cultural depictions, whether it is low brow or high brow. That's why I would support one uniform categorization, under the title "Cultural depictions of..." In the case of Jesus Christ I can understand making "Cultural depictions of Jesus Christ", but having a subcategory for paintings and statues, as the number of art works depicting Christ are plentiful enough to warrant a separate category. - User:Kjell Knudde 7:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC).
 * Support all Johnbod (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


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