Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 November 9



Category:Heritage templates

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep with no objection to creating new child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming restructuring Category:Heritage templates to Category:Heritage citation templates
 * Nominator's rationale: These are external link templates, but all are specifically used for citations from specific sources. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:12, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, diffuse & recategorise. I've had a good look at the contents of this category: some of these templates are used for citations while others are more for external links. To satisfy what I think the nom is trying to achieve I suggest the following:
 * Diffuse Canmore, Cite BrisbaneHR, Cite QHR, Heritage Council of Western Australia, Images of England, National Heritage List for England, PastScape and Ynbr into, categorised under.
 * Diffuse Digital-Handsworth, Digital-Ladywood, EHbarName, Listed building England and PASTMAP into, categorised under.
 * Keep as a parent of both, categorised under  and . PC78 (talk) 12:37, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support revised proposal by PC78 above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Films about telephones

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 20:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films about telephones


 * Nominator's rationale: Boy, I'm all for categories on doc films that are squarely "about" a topic. But in this case I think this is WP:TRIVIALCAT. These films use telephones as a key narrative element but they are not "about phones" from what I can see. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Almost per WP:SHAREDNAME. It looks like the category is based on the movie titles rather than the substance of the plot. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:26, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Trivial.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- obviously a trivial element of many films. If it were only about documentaries on phones, it might be worth keeping, but I doubt there are many.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete suffers the same problems as all "films about" categories: how much about telephones must it be and what reliable sources tell us it's at least that much? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to be a valid subcategory of Category:Works about phones. Dimadick (talk) 18:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Phones are not the subject of any of these films, they are merely used as plot devices. PC78 (talk) 12:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


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Members of denominations by period

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 * The result of the discussion was: support for upmerging the four categories, no consensus on deleting the Roman Catholics by period category. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Anglicans by period to Category:Anglicans
 * Propose upmerging Category:Baptists by period to Category:Baptists
 * Propose upmerging Category:Lutherans by period to Category:Lutherans
 * Propose upmerging Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by period to Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians
 * Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholics by period
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:SMALLCAT, every of the nominated categories has one child category (or two in case of Roman Catholic), so it's a redundant category layer. The Roman Catholic category doesn't need to be upmerged because the the both subcategories are already elsewhere in the tree of Category:Roman Catholics. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep the last one: these also form part of Category:Christians by period, but for the Orthodox and Protestants nothing would be lost by merging because the only contents are "X by century", and also in that hierarchy via Category:Christians by century. However, the Roman Catholic one appears to be useful, because its sub-cat is not all "by century". – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep the last one: per Fayenatic Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Upmerge and delete as nominated, including the Roman Catholics category. The Roman Catholic bishops subcategory is already in Category:Bishops by period, which itself is part of the 'Christians by period' category tree. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:29, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Northern Irish association footballers who played for an FAI XI

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Republic of Ireland international footballers from Northern Ireland. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:20, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Northern Irish association footballers who played for an FAI XI to Category:Association footballers from Northern Ireland who played for a Football Association of Ireland XI Category:Republic of Ireland international footballers from Northern Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: The people in question might object to being called "Northern Irish" (James McClean, for example, in on record doing so); changing to "from Northern Ireland" might be a better way to wording it. A lot of people may not be aware what the "FAI" is, so it might be worth expanding this to "Football Association of Ireland". It might even be worth changing "XI" to "team". —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Nominator's note: I have changed my proposed name as explained below. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename somehow but I think there ought to be something better, perhaps Category:Association footballers from Northern Ireland who played for Ireland. "Association" is necessary to distinguish from Rugby and Gaelic football.  "From NI" is necessary, because they may be eligible for other nations.  However, RoI does not have multiple teams.  The fact that the category encompass all the post-1922 names for the state can be dealt with in a head note.  There should be a "see also" item for the Northern Ireland team, since this looks like an all-Ireland category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * please comment on Peterkingiron's alternative suggestion, N.B. whether "played for Ireland" matches the criteria here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Fayenatic, I was waiting for more views. Perhaps Category:Republic of Ireland international footballers from Northern Ireland, with pre-Republic players split off to Category:Irish Free State international footballers from Northern Ireland (as in the parent category Category:Republic of Ireland international footballers)? I actually think would be better than my original proposal, so I'm changing it now. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Category:Republic of Ireland international footballers from Northern Ireland is the best suggestion I think. Too many subcategories I think. Irish Free State title should not be used. FAI and Irish newspapers always used either "Ireland" or "Republic of Ireland", IFS was a name imposed by outsiders. Plus it might just have Harry Chatton. Djln Djln (talk) 21:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


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