Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 16



Category:Districts of Kristiansand

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Districts of Kristiansand to Category:Boroughs of Kristiansand, without prejudice to further nominations for changes. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:28, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Districts of Kristiansand to Category:Neighbourhoods of Kristiansand
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard naming, at least as far Norway goes, cf. Category:Neighbourhoods of Oslo. Geschichte (talk) 21:31, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Question, the actual contents of the both categories seems not to overlap too much, is there a reason for that? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename / don't merge . I've been checking out both categories. Apparently a neighbourhood is a part of a district. Or actually the articles refer to "boroughs" instead of "districts" so I would rather propose to rename the nominated category to Category:Boroughs of Kristiansand. In fact some other Norwegian cities have a category "Boroughs and neighbourhoods" which should be all right when the number of boroughs and neigbourhoods is too small to make separate categories. But that's not the situation here. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile another editor just created Category:Boroughs of Kristiansand so then I would propose an alternative merge of Category:Districts of Kristiansand to Category:Boroughs of Kristiansand instead of a rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Places of interest in Kristiansand

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; the sole article in it was already categorized in a subcategory of Category:Tourist attractions in Norway. It is also in . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting places of interest in kristiansand


 * Nominator's rationale: Not possible or feasible to define "interest". Strictly speaking, all our articles related to the city Kristiansand should be included here, since a topic has to catch interest (notability) to be included in Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * No need to delete entirely, as it seems to concern a tourist attractions category. Rather merge to Category:Tourist attractions in Norway per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If there were more than one item I would say "rename" to Category:Tourist attractions in Kristiansand. However if it cannot be better populated Merge per Marcocapelle.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Things named after Nnamdi Azikiwe

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:58, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting things named after nnamdi azikiwe


 * Propose deleting Category:Buildings and structures named after Nnamdi Azikiwe
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories group together an airport, a stadium and a university on the basis of how they are named. See WP:SHAREDNAME. DexDor(talk) 20:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This category falls under Category:Things named after people. A really helpful category showcasing how something or someone notable has been celebrated. Not everybody gets something significant named after them. Stanleytux (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Categories are indended to group articles about similar subjects, not to "showcase" anything. DexDor(talk) 21:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * What happens after they are grouped? Stanleytux (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, mention it in the article Nnamdi Azikiwe instead. Siple as that. Geschichte (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's already there: Nnamdi Azikiwe. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I can add those to his articles, but also note that most significant mentions in articles usually have categories. Nnamdi Azikiwe is the first President of Nigeria and that is notability. Also Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko has things named after him.  Stanleytux (talk) 21:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There are also thousands of other people who have had things named after them and we do not usually have such a category (e.g. Einstein - CFD). DexDor(talk) 21:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe we don't usually have such a category but we do have Category:Things named after people which is like the main category containing a bunch of things named after notable people. Stanleytux (talk) 22:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I would also favor deleting/listifying Category:Things named after Taras Shevchenko. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete/Listify Per WP:SHAREDNAME. Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport is named in honor of Dr. Azikiwe; he wasn't a pilot and he didn't establish the airport during his term of office. We deleted a similar category early this year. The articles in Category:Lists of roads named after people are good examples of how this would be a workable list article. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per SHAREDNAME & precedent; if Stalin can't have a cat, neither can this guy. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:31, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Carlossuarez46 and others. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


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Cardiovascular disease deaths

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in the United Kingdom
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in Scotland
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in Wales
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in Northern Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in England
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in Canada
 * Propose deleting Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per outcome of this discussion. This nomination will be extended to all countries if it gets consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. These categories put articles about politicians, actors etc under Category:Medicine. WP:DNWAUC. DexDor(talk) 20:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Looking through these biography categories, it groups people together that have nothing in common outside of dying from a common and non-defining type of death. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This is a NN cause of death. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Dry places in New Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to to Category:Places in New Jersey that prohibit the sale of alcohol. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:13, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dry places in New Jersey to Category:Dry municipalities in New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. A CFD for this category was a resounding "keep" last month, and another was just closed as "keep" a few hours ago, but today's closer specifically noted that there was no consensus regarding the name itself; the first "keep" was consensus against deletion, and the second was against splitting the category into several pieces.  I'm just suggesting that we change the name without changing the category's scope.  Basically, the name is confusing, because it makes it sound as if this category embraces locations with little rainfall, not locations that prohibit the sale of alcohol.  The previous CFD attracted several people who advocated for "dry jurisdictions" or "dry municipalities"; I'm suggesting "municipalities" because "jurisdictions" can embrace non-municipalities, such as school districts and entire counties, which aren't what we're looking for here.  While "dry places" could refer to spots without rain, anyone will understand that precipitation doesn't follow municipal boundaries, so even the reader who's never heard this sense of "dry" will understand that it's something unrelated to rainfall.  Final note: at the previous CFD, someone noted that one article in the category wasn't a separate municipality.  I've removed this category from the article because it's a different situation: it's a privately owned community, and the landowner prohibits the sale of alcohol.  "Dry" in this sense refers to legal jurisdictions of whatever sort that enact laws forbidding alcohol sales, not private owners that choose not to sell it or use contracts and similar civil law tools to prevent sales on their own property; otherwise we could put most fast-food restaurants in the category too, since they generally don't sell alcohol and don't allow others to sell alcohol on their own grounds.  Nyttend (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose Rename I'm not sure that "dry municipalities" is any better than "dry towns" or "dry places" in describing places that prohibit the sale of alcohol, not that face persistent drought. The choice of "municipality" seems designed to accomplish nothing in terms of clarity while losing an entry for Ocean Grove, New Jersey. The community, which is a census-designated place with more than 3,300 residents, was established in 1869 by the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, which still operates the community, setting rules and regulations that have the force of law, including restrictions on the sale of liquor. This article from The New York Times is one of hundreds available that highlight the fact that the community is dry and it is clear that the non-sale of alcohol is a defining characteristic of the community, which could not possibly be said about a single restaurant that chooses not to have a liquor license or sell alcohol. The community had been incorporated as a municipality in 1920, a status that lasted for a year until it was dissolved by the state courts, and to this day the community maintains an independent status. This article emphasizes the status of Ocean Grove "as a quasi-independent enclave" that was established under a "special legislative charter [that] allowed the incorporated Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to retain private ownership of all of the land but operate it as a municipality." Losing the Ocean Grove article in this structure loses the ability to navigate across similar articles by their common defining characteristic. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a really interesting piece of history near me that I was not aware of but, according to the article, the official theocratic rule ended in 1981. Sources are scared but I'm guessing the church is restricting alcohol now because they own all the land in the town (or in the neighborhood, it's only a 3rd of a square mile) and won't lease it to alcohol merchants. If so, such a private lease restriction is the same as a legal ban, it's more like if the LDS Church decided not to rent to anyone selling alcohol in City Creek Center (which was considered). RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose this rename but I do see a need for a rename in general. First of all 'dry' is unclear to international WP users (dry=arid) and second, less important, 'places' is slightly unclear. For the second issue the alternatives 'populated places' and 'jurisdictions' were proposed in the previous discussion which both seem okay to me. For the first issue, it should probably become something like Category:Populated places in New Jersey prohibiting sale of alcohol. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support/Open to Broader Proposals The earlier discussion seemed to indicate that "dry" was an unfamiliar term to non-American readers so I'm open to a broader conversation. But, for now, this title is more precise and distinguishes NJ from states where the local option is at the county level. Would be fine with "jurisdictions" as well if Ocean Grove is a concern to others. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Places that prohibit the sale of alcohol in New Jersey this is more clear and not ambiguous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Places that prohibit the sale of alcohol in New Jersey as this is not about arid places in New Jersey -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As may be suspected from my earlier contribution, I'm happy to support Category:Places that prohibit the sale of alcohol in New Jersey. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it too. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * At second thought, shouldn't we reverse it to Category:Places in New Jersey that prohibit the sale of alcohol? Otherwise it may look like the sale of alcohol is prohibited in all of New Jersey by these places. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -- As an Englishman, I am not familiar with local government arrangements in NJ. However I would oppose "municipalities", because it will generate a converse category, perhaps for "unincorporated places".  I am far from sure of the merits of "places that prohibit the sale of alcohol", as it is too verbose.  The right place to explain "dry" is in the headnote of the category.  I tend towards Keep, but I lack the knowledge to insist.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename per Marcocapelle and not the nomination. —烏Γ (kaw), 05:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternate Rename per Marcocapelle to Category:Places in New Jersey that prohibit the sale of alcohol. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I can support if it is renamed as per the proposal of . That seems sensible, sufficiently inclusive, and remarkably clear. JackTheVicar (talk) 10:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no view on whether my proposed name of RevelationDirect's proposal has the better order.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Albums certified by Musiikkituottajat

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums certified by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified diamond by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified gold by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified double platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified triple platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified quadruple platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified quintuple platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified sextuple platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Propose deleting albums certified septuple platinum by musiikkituottajat


 * Nominator's rationale: Trying this way again. Nothing personal with the Finnish music industry but the discussions for Australia single certifications and this discussion shows there is support that these designatations are WP:NON-DEFINING characteristics for the albums. Picking an article at random, Greatest Hits (Eurythmics album) for example without be better off without categories for all the various album certifications. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The Finnish sales of the Titanic sound track is clearly not defining for that article and most the articles are non-Finnish albums. Category:Finnish-language albums and Category:Albums by Finnish artists are better ways to group the Finnish contributions to music. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not convinced that sales records in general are defining for albums. Dimadick (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. A successful album will have certificates for many different regions and merely adds to category clutter. Poor Finland, every country should be nominated and the relevant projects notified. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Stradivari violas

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Stradivari violas
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category.
 * Wikipedia doesn't have even a single article about a Stradivarius viola. Instead, this category has 1 redirect to a string quartet that played with four Stradivarius instruments, including a viola. That's a tenuous basis for a category. The list of known Stradivarius instruments does include several violas so no objection to recreating once we have some actual articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Jason Quinn as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Musical Instruments. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete -- without prejudice to re-creation if it can be it can be adequately populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


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