Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 21



Category:Recipients of the Southern Cross of Honor

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Southern Cross of Honor
 * Propose Deletng Category:Southern Cross of Honor
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD
 * The Southern Cross of Honor began to be issued in 1900 and was awarded upon request to almost any soldier who served on the Confederate side during the Civil War (1861-65) which seems non-defining. These were privately issued by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, not by either the US or Confederate governments. I'm having trouble finding a total number of medals issued but 6,300 were given out in 1907 alone (source) and they were still being issued as of 2011 (source). I've already listified the contents of this category as a section of the article. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: The creator, Kumioko, has been banned but I added this discussion to WikiProject Former countries. – RevelationDirect (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete trivial and unofficial award by non-governmental entity apparently less selective than McDonald's employee of the month. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note Just noticed the parent category, Category:Southern Cross of Honor, which contains only the main article and the recipients category. It is now tagged RevelationDirect (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Honorary Chaplains to the King

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:35, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Honorary Chaplains to the King to Category:Honorary Chaplains to the Queen
 * Nominator's rationale: The subcats of are inconsistently named. I think these two should simply be merged: Honorary Chaplain to the King and Honorary Chaplain to the Queen are identical positions, whose title simply depends on the gender of the current monarch. I recommend merging them together into the Queen category: this matches the Honorary Chaplain to the Queen article and the usual way we name such topics (e.g., God Save the Queen). BDD (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I do not know if the appointment is in practice continuous from one reign to the next. However even if it is, the target for both ought to be Category:Honorary Chaplains to the British monarch.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. Category:Honorary Chaplains to the British monarch is much betterBashereyre (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Some of these people weren't chaplains to a British monarch, though that term is used in the parent category. --BDD (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge as originally proposed to match Honorary Chaplain to the Queen. We don't need to complicate things by making a new category that has a name different than that of the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:08, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Honorary chaplains to the Britannic Majesty ? His/Her Britannic Majesty would be the British monarch, or Category:Honorary chaplains to the British monarch ; we shouldn't need to rename the categories once Queen Elizabeth becomes an ex-Queen -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, seriously—I don't think we need to deviate from the article name here and create a neologistic name for the position. The British monarch changes from Queen to King or from King to Queen so rarely in history (only a handful of times (7?) in about 1000 years) that I don't think it will be that great of burden to Wikipedia to rename the category when the eventual change is made from Queen to King. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree from a technical perspective, but I think it's fair though slightly pedantic to point out that when such a change happens, those who served the previous sex might be under a misnomer. —烏Γ (kaw), 01:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be resolved by having separate categories, which is the current situation. But combining them under current terminology is what other categories have done, as with . But we also don't solve the retroactive misnomer problem by inventing a new title. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I do support the rename; I was only mentioning that it makes sense for the structure to have evolved as it has. —烏Γ (kaw), 02:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep or else merge as originally proposed. There is a case for keeping insofar some of these chaplains actually had the title Honorary Chaplains to the King. Alternatively merge as originally proposed, since Honorary Chaplains to the Queen is the current title in real life, we don't need to invent new titles in Wikipedia just for the sake of easier categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment (Voted above) -- I raised the question (though not strictly asked) whether an honorary chaplain to George VI automatically became one to Elizabeth II or whether there was a new set of appointments for each reign. If the latter we probably need a separate category for each reign.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The article mentions "Honorary Chaplain to the Sovereign" as an alternative title, so Category:Honorary Chaplains to the Sovereign could potentially be the name of a combined category. I still think matching the article title is the best way to go, however. That's C2D territory. --BDD (talk) 19:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per Nomination For Now This category should blindly match the article naming of Honorary Chaplain to the Queen. If the article is renamed to be more gender neutral, the category can be speedy renamed per WP:C2D, facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related article's name. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:58, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


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