Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 6



Category:Coats of arms of Nigeria

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice for a discussion on the broader issue mentioned by the IP. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Coats of arms of Nigeria to Category:Nigerian coats of arms
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. An opposed speedy. I think the discussion copied below covers the issues. This rename is to bring the category in conformity with the "FOOian coats of arms" standard of . "Nigerian" is the correct FOOian here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Category:Coats of arms of Nigeria to Category:Nigerian coats of arms – C2C per format of subcategories of Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong objection to CFDS Speedy Rename This will cause immediate trouble. Niger and Nigeria are two separate countries that exist, for which sources have used "Nigerian" for both. Category names should not be so ambiguous. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The adjective for Niger used on Wikipedia is Nigerien, not Nigerian. Examine the trees for and . Both "Nigerian" and "Nigerien" are already used extensively in the category tree system. There's no reason for this one not to similarly be named. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I say in the interests of not having incorrect content categorized into the wrong categories, that demonyms should not be used for categories involving Nigeria, Niger, Democratic Republic of Congo (Kinshasa), Republic of Congo (Brazzaville), Dominican Republic, Dominica; since there are too many overlapping demonyms used in the world at large. In the instance here, we are using "Nigerien" for Niger, while "Nigerian" for Nigeria, but this is not always the case in the world at large, where "Nigerian" is also used for Niger. Not just Nigerian, but "Nigerien" is used for Nigeria in some bad sources (usually poorly translated ones). -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, "Nigerian" is currently used for categories involving Nigeria, so your proposal is probably much broader than this isolated nomination can address. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency reasons, though I do understand the concerns about possible confusion i.e. I doubt if I would support keeping the Nigerian name in a broader nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support this Nomiation/Open to Broader This example is clear and should be renamed. I'm open to hearing a broader discussion of "Nigerian" though. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename as some of these demonym issues might start to be cleared up if their proper use is enforced. —烏Γ (kaw), 09:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:History of the Batavian Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Batavian Republic to Category:Batavian Republic
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Dutch Republic to Category:Dutch Republic
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Seventeen Provinces to Category:Seventeen Provinces
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per unclear distinction. The Batavian Republic is history, so a separate History subcategory does not specify anything. This applies similarly to the other two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support. Any article covering any of these states must discuss their history. Btw., what to do with Category:History of the Dutch Republic by period? Rename by stripping off "History of the"? Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 21:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, though this is a sort of standard name so I don't think a rename is urgent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Notified WikiProject Netherlands after just noticing that the category talk pages weren't tagged for this WikiProject. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:History of the Dutch Republic which has (I think) substantial content distinct from Category:Dutch Republic. The other two are providing an unnecessary level of categorisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkingiron (talk • contribs)
 * Merge No clear reason to distinguish these categories from parents.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


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Category:British Scrabble players

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. For the sake of consistency, any proposals to rename the category should be proposed/considered for  and all of its by-nationality subcategories. Alternatively, explanatory headers can be added. (I'm not sure this is a unique issue, however—we have, but I don't think anyone assumes that any British person who swims recreationally should go in the category. Categories for people do (or are at least supposed to) come with a built-in understanding that this characteristic is defining for the individuals included.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting british scrabble players


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING Fuddle (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This doesn't seem to be a category for every single person who's known to casually play Scrabble as a personal hobby — of the seven people in here, every single one was an active competitor in the organized circuit of professional Scrabble tournaments. Five of the seven, further, are notable only for that, and wouldn't have articles at all otherwise — and one of the other two passes WP:AUTHOR as a writer of books about Scrabble, so his notability is still entirely tied specifically to Scrabble. And even the one who actually has any non-Scrabble-dependent notability claim at all was still a competitive Scrabble tournament player too. So essentially it is defining, as six of the seven people in here wouldn't even have articles for anything unrelated to Scrabble — you could certainly raise a debate about whether Gyles Brandreth warrants inclusion or not, since it may not be specifically defining of him, but it's the crux of why anybody else in the category even has an article in the first place. Keep. Bearcat (talk) 18:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply: I came in via Brandreth so that my have colored my opinion.  Perhaps a note defining the category is needed?  Or a more specific name? Fuddle (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I suspected as much (*grin*). A usage note might be the easiest solution here, but in my experience people tend not to pay much attention to them — renaming to make its scope clearer might ultimately be the better option, but it would have to be done as a batch discussion on the entire tree rather than being unique to this category alone. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:British professional Scrabble players or Category:British Scrabble professionals to make clear its for a vocation, not an avocation. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:58, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment So Category: competitive British Scrabble players or Category: British competition Scrabble players as they would only be defining if they participate in Scrabble competitions -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:25, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep but provide a head note to specify criteria for inclusion, which should clearly be that they are notable for participation in competitions or writing books on scrabble. I am doubtful whether there are many who are professionals in the sense that they make their living from scrabble.  Certainly we need the category, possibly renamed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:22, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to Something I'm open to either rename proposed above. I think hatnotes have limited value because they don't show up in Hotcat. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:31, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Burgundian Circle

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Burgundian Circle to Category:Seventeen Provinces
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT. According to the headnote of the both categories they should be the same, and the contents is indeed more or less the same. The merge direction is proposed this way because I think the term "Seventeen Provinces" is better known than "Burgundian Circle"; also Category:Seventeen Provinces is the slightly older category. I would suggest to leave a soft redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Withdraw proposal as it appears that the Free County of Burgundy is a member of the Burgundian Circle but not of the Seventeen Provinces. I'll revise the headers of the categories accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:1985 Livingston Open

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1985 Livingston Open to Category:Livingston Open
 * Also nominating for merging-
 * Category:1984 Livingston Open
 * Category:1986 Livingston Open
 * Category:1987 Livingston Open
 * Category:1988 Livingston Open
 * Nominator's rationale: All categories with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Just for clarity, each of the years under discussion here also has separate spinoff articles for its singles and doubles sections, in addition to the main article on the event itself — but in each case, those subarticles have just been left directly in, and not recatted to the year-specific category yet. I'm still not certain that three articles per category, with no likely growth potential beyond that, would escape WP:SMALLCAT perdition — but it's still worth being aware that in reality we're talking about three-entry categories rather than one-entry categories. No opinion otherwise. Bearcat (talk) 19:32, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- single article categories are not useful, even if they potentially have sub-articles that are at present redirects. If substantive sub-articles are in fact created in sufficient numbers we can re-create them.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Further to Bearcat's comment, I've moved the other articles into the appropriate by-year subcategory so that users can see what we're dealing with here. Each category has three articles in it presently. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Not single entry categories (any longer). This is a standard setup for 1000+ tennis tournament articles and as such qualifies as "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme".--Wolbo (talk) 22:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:The Dark Side of the Moon

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the dark side of the moon


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one subcat and other articles are easily interlinked by a navbox. Similar categories for famous albums (like Sgt Pepper's...) have been deleted. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The Sgt Pepper nomination indicated that the only thing in the category was the songs. This category has 6 legitimate articles plus a sub-category, none of which are the individual songs from the album. RevelationDirect (talk) 05:32, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and as creation of sockpuppet. --Richhoncho (talk) 06:47, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This is actually eligible for speedy, per WP:G5, then.RevelationDirect (talk) 18:59, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I think this is one of those cases in which a navbox works best, and the contents here are best simply categorized by their topic (album, tour, film, etc.) -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Boardwalk Hall Auditorium Organ

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Boardwalk Hall Auditorium Organ to Category:Music of New Jersey and Category:Culture of Atlantic City, New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category is for one specific organ in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Both articles are already cross-linked so no navigation would be lost and I see no growth potential here. (Note that I was the one who added both the Music of NJ and Culture of AC parents to this category.)RevelationDirect (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * NoteNotified Tompw as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Pipe Organ. – RevelationDirect (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. This single organ doesn't need its own category. kennethaw88 • talk 01:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Obviously Upmerge -- no scope for expansion. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


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