Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 8



Category:18th century in the Netherlands

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 14:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:18th century in the Netherlands to Category:18th century in the Dutch Republic
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. Anachronistic; the country was the Dutch Republic until 1795, then Batavian Republic. Parent categories already contain the necessary sibling categories with those names. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:28, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge Alternative proposal: Move articles from the former to the latter, but don't delete. All articles in the former category are indeed about the Dutch Republic, not the larger Netherlands (or Low Countries). But there is a use for the former category as the Netherlands can also mean the Low Countries, including the Austrian Netherlands, the Bishopric of Liège and the Batavian Republic. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 08:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just for your information, what you are referring to is included in Category:History of the Low Countries, that's different from The Netherlands. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Tim! (talk) 20:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - reduce anachronism.GreyShark (dibra) 08:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- Obviously appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


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Zeeland

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Counts of Zeeland
 * Propose deleting Category:Countesses of Zeeland
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT with Category:Counts of Holland and Category:Countesses of Holland respectively. Zeeland wasn't an independent county, the rulers were Counts of Holland and Zeeland together. Not surprisingly, Category:Counts of Zeeland is only parented to Category:Counts of Holland. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep The County of Zeeland was a fiefdom of the Holy Roman Empire, and was separate from the County of Holland from 1012 to 1256, and was closely aligned to the County of Flanders not Holland. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Still, it didn't have its own counts, and all counts included here are counts of Holland and Zeeland, or Flanders and Zeeland. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support -- The principal title was Count of Holland or Count of Flanders. Do we need to convert it to a Dab-category?  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Dutch Golden Age

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Dutch Golden Age to Category:17th-century Dutch people
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the Dutch Golden Age covered the whole 17th century, so there is no need for two categories. No objection against leaving a soft redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support The scope is far too wide. There is nothing to indicate that it is confined to Dutch nationals. If it isn't already, then it should be. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- the end dates of the Golden Age are too uncertain. Conceivably we could have Category:Dutch people of the Golden Age, but I think better not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT-related anime and manga

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:LGBT-themed anime and manga. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related anime and manga to Category:LGBT anime and manga
 * Nominator's rationale: In keeping with the naming scheme of other theme related anime and manga categories. There has been a great deal of confusion about whether the inclusion of this category should be limited to anime and manga where LGBT are a main theme of the work or any anime and manga with one more more LGBT secondary and minor characters. Give the recent outcome of two RfCs at Talk:Sailor Moon that concluded against the later. In my view, this name change will help to clarify the scope of this category. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose The works themselves can't be LGBT, they only feature related characters and themes. Dimadick (talk) 16:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Works themselves can't be school, but we have Category:School anime and manga‎. Works themselves can't be cooks, but we have Category:Cooking anime and manga‎. Works themselves can't be ninja, but we have Category:Ninja anime and manga‎. The very premise of your opposition is fallacious. —Farix (t &#124; c) 12:35, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative to rename into Category:LGBT-themed anime and manga. It avoids the ugly "-related" and it also avoids suggesting that the works themselves are LGBT. Besides, it is C2C to a few other child categories of Category:Anime and manga by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So should all the other theme related anime and manga categories also be renamed to "x-theamed anime and manga" for consistency? I still think that "-themed" can still be interpreted too broadly, but it is definitely better than "-related". —Farix (t &#124; c) 12:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename per Marcocapelle; "-themed" feels and sounds more natural. —烏Γ (kaw), 10:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia bots using pywikipedia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia bots using pywikipedia to Category:Wikipedia bots using Pywikibot
 * Nominator's rationale: proper, new name of framework Avic ennasis @ 09:50, 24 Elul 5775 / 09:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Yes please. Legoktm (talk) 15:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Malaysian deceased politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Malaysian deceased politicians to Category:Malaysian politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. We don't divide categories that categorize by combinations of nationality and occupation into "deceased" and/or "living" subcategories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:51, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. We don't categorize people as dead or living. Dimadick (talk) 09:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure we do. Just not like this. Avic ennasis @ 09:53, 24 Elul 5775 / 09:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, more precisely—not in combination with other features. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Avic ennasis @ 09:53, 24 Elul 5775 / 09:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:14, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge per longstanding convention. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge We do not divide categories between people who once had a postion and those who now have it, or between living and dead.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


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Category:Former bunraku theatres

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Former bunraku theatres to Category:Bunraku and Category:Former theatres in Japan
 * Propose Dual Upmerging Category:Bunraku theatres to Category:Bunraku and Category:Theatres in Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT.
 * Bunraku is a traditional Japanese puppet show that is generally presented either in a Kabuki theater or in a very simple Bunraku theater. That simplicity means that it is difficul to establish notability about the theater buildings themselves and articlez instead focus on the troupes. I made a sincere attempt to populate these categories but I only moved the total article count form 1 to 2 total, the current and former theaters in Osaka. I don't see much room for growth, at least using online sources in English but no objection to recreating later if more content appears. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified LordAmeth as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Japan. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Upmerge There is no reason to keep this 2 category structure for 2 articles. In the case of the former theatres we only at present have 10 articles in the whole former thatres in Japan structure. This number of categories is just making finding articles harder.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


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