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Category:Commonwealth Boxing Council Champions

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 * The result of the discussion was: renamed. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  03:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Commonwealth Boxing Council Champions to Category:Commonwealth Boxing Council champions
 * Nominator's rationale: The "Champions" part of the name should be in lower case, to match similar categories such as Category:World Boxing Association champions, etc. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Commonwealth Boxing Council Cruiserweight Champions to Category:Commonwealth Boxing Council champions
 * Nominator's rationale: No reason to have a sub-category for one weight class, when they can all be lumped into the same one. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename -- correct capitalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support both per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Energy resource facilities in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/rename as nominated. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Energy resource facilities in the United States into Category:Energy infrastructure in the United States
 * Propose renaming related categories:
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in the United States by state to Category:Energy infrastructure in the United States by state
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Alabama to Category:Energy infrastructure in Alabama


 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Alaska to Category:Energy infrastructure in Alaska
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Arizona to Category:Energy infrastructure in Arizona
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Arkansas to Category:Energy infrastructure in Arkansas
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in California to Category:Energy infrastructure in California
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Colorado to Category:Energy infrastructure in Colorado
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Connecticut‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Connecticut‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Delaware‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Delaware‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Washington, D.C.‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Washington, D.C.‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Florida to Category:Energy infrastructure in Florida
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Georgia (U.S. state)‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Georgia (U.S. state)‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Hawaii‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Hawaii‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Idaho‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Idaho‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Illinois‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Illinois‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Indiana‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Indiana‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Iowa to Category:Energy infrastructure in Iowa
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Kansas to Category:Energy infrastructure in Kansas
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Kentucky‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Kentucky‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Louisiana‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Louisiana‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Maine to Category:Energy infrastructure in Maine
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Maryland‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Maryland‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Massachusetts‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Massachusetts‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Michigan‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Michigan‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Minnesota‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Minnesota‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Mississippi to Category:Energy infrastructure in Mississippi
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Missouri‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Missouri‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Montana‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Montana‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Nebraska‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Nebraska‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Nevada‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Nevada‎a
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in New Hampshire to Category:Energy infrastructure in New Hampshire
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in New Jersey‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in New Jersey‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in New Mexico‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in New Mexico‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in New York to Category:Energy infrastructure in New York
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in North Carolina to Category:Energy infrastructure in North Carolina
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in North Dakota to Category:Energy infrastructure in North Dakota
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Ohio to Category:Energy infrastructure in Ohio
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Oklahoma to Category:Energy infrastructure in Oklahoma
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Oregon to Category:Energy infrastructure in Oregon
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Pennsylvania to Category:Energy infrastructure in Pennsylvania
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Rhode Island‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Rhode Island‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in South Carolina to Category:Energy infrastructure in South Carolina
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in South Dakota‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in South Dakota‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Tennessee‎ to Category:Energy infrastructure in Tennessee‎
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Texas to Category:Energy infrastructure in Texas
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Utah to Category:Energy infrastructure in Utah
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Vermont to Category:Energy infrastructure in Vermont
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Virginia to Category:Energy infrastructure in Virginia
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Washington (state) to Category:Energy infrastructure in Washington (state)
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in West Virginia to Category:Energy infrastructure in West Virginia
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Wisconsin to Category:Energy infrastructure in Wisconsin
 * Category:Energy resource facilities in Wyoming to Category:Energy infrastructure in Wyoming


 * Nominator's rationale: It is unclear what is exactly energy resource facilities and how it is different from the energy infrastructure. The energy resource facilities tree is used only for the United States as a part of subcategory for the energy infrastructure while all other countries energy categories use only the energy infrastructure tree. It is unclear why we need a different categorization tree for the United States. There was similar discussion back in 2012 which was closed as keep. Since then, the overall country-specific categories tree has been developed. Beagel (talk) 09:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * cmt if this merge Category:Energy resource facilities in the United States to Category:Energy infrastructure in the United States occurs, subcats of Category:Energy resource facilities in the United States that are already within other subcats of Category:Energy infrastructure in the United States should not be merged; they should not be placed directly into Category:Energy infrastructure in the United States. WHY: no obvious good reason for such duplication. Hmains (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The two items that I looked at had only Power station in in them. As an Englishman, I would have expected "infrastructure" to be more about power transmission and the like.  I therefore wonder whether a merger if both to a higher level category might not be better.  However, I do not know local conditions in US.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh, "resource" to me suggested extraction (drilling, mining, refining, smelting) but not power generation and distribution grids. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge but Neutral on New Name In practice, I think these categories should be combined because there is not a clear distinction. Per the comments above, I'm neutral on whether is a merge, reverse merge or a new name entirely. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Seems OK; the rest of the world seems to use "Infrastructure" as does America for other types of infrastructure (see Category:Infrastructure in the United States and Category:Infrastructure in California) Hugo999 (talk) 03:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge all as nominated. "Energy resource facilities" aren't clearly defined and even in the U.S. won't be WP:COMMONNAME for these. Rather subdivide by more specific types of infrastructure if there's enough content. --PanchoS (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Lincoln conspirators

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Lincoln conspirators to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators. A majority in number and argument clearly wanted a rename. As far as a merge goes, that part is tricky, since the discussion pivoted from an upmerge to merging Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln into the renamed category. Opinion on that seems roughly split, and it would require a purge of what seems like most of the category. Therefore, I find no consensus to merge at this time. That being said, this closure is without prejudice against a new discussion regarding the deletion of Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose Upmerging Category:Lincoln conspirators to Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln
 * Nominator's rationale: Suggestion on my UserTalk Page from User:Americus55 relating to Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln which I recently created.--TommyBoy (talk) 04:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Lean Toward Keep When I saw this nomination, I though this would be filled with JFK conspiracy type items. But, with one exception these people were either convicted of the conspiracy, fled the country and freely admitted to involvement, or were killed while fleeing from the scene. That seems like a pretty non-subjective and defining category to me. Maybe rename to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators though. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators. I do not like "associated with" categories because inclusion may be a POV issue, but the present name might refer to a conspiracy in Lincoln.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment merging Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators as suggested by User:Peterkingiron would not make any sense because that category also includes other people connected to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln such as witnesses and investigators.--TommyBoy (talk) 19:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that category either but such a merge would include a large purging as it includes a doctor in the ford Theater audience who tried to help and many other non-conspirators. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That is exactly my point, merging Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators would not make sense in this case, because that category also includes other people connected to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln such as witnesses and investigators.--TommyBoy (talk) 20:55, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge both to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators per Peterkingiron; "people associated with" could mean people not "responsible" for the assassination; Charles Leale, the doctor who treated Lincoln for gunshot is certainly "associated with" the assassination; indeed, he is probably only notable on that score. But, he was not a conspirator, nor was Secretary Stanton, the Vice President, some body guards we have articles on (Henry Rathbone and Ward Hill Lamon), again probably only notable for their "association" with the assassination. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Like I said in response to User:Peterkingiron's comments, merging Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators would not make sense in this case, because that category also includes other people connected to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln such as witnesses and investigators.--TommyBoy (talk) 01:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If my suggestion is followed, the category will clearly need purging. My problem with "associated with" categories is that there is no limitation on how closely, so that editors are liable to add anyone remotely connected.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I created Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln using the pre-existing Category:People associated with the assassination of John F. Kennedy as a model since that category and its subcategories include articles on the victims, suspects, witnesses, investigators, medical personnel, and other people closely connected to the assassination. Prior to my creation of Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Category:Lincoln conspirators and most of the articles in the newly-created category were previously included in Category:Assassination of Abraham Lincoln which I subsequently designated as a parent category of Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. The reason I brought this newly-created category to the attention of the Categories for Discussion page was a suggestion from User:Americus55 to delete the pre-existing Category:Lincoln conspirators and then merge the articles from that category into Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, or failing that, I would also be in favor of renaming Category:Lincoln conspirators to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators while leaving Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln intact as a parent category thereof.--TommyBoy (talk) 02:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep/rename this category and nominate target for deletion per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Lincoln assasination conspirators.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, Category:Lincoln conspirators and most of the articles I included in Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln are mentioned in the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln article and/or were previously included directly in Category:Assassination of Abraham Lincoln which raises the question of whether they should be restored directly in that category if despite my best efforts Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln is deleted. With regard to Category:Lincoln conspirators, I am still in favor of renaming to Category:Lincoln assassination conspirators.--TommyBoy (talk) 13:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The first question is actually something for a next discussion when Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln is nominated, but - for example - Anderson Ruffin Abbott wouldn't belong in Category:Assassination of Abraham Lincoln because he was too marginally involved in the assassination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article you cited in your comments, Anderson Ruffin Abbott was previously included directly in Category:Assassination of Abraham Lincoln prior to the creation of Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and is a good example of why we would need to double-check which articles are included in Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln or moved back to Category:Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, depending on the results of this discussion, or any subsequent discussion regarding Category:People associated with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.--TommyBoy (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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Category:Celebrity Big Brother (Pinoy) contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity big brother (pinoy) contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT, see other nominations on this page -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Close this discussion the same way as the discussion about its parent category below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Combine With the outcome of the Category:Celebrity Big Brother contestants discussion below, whether I agree with that outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per PERFCAT, as long as List of Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2 housemates is placed into Category:Big Brother (TV series) contestants, Category:Participants in Philippine reality television series, and Category:Pinoy Big Brother. anemone  projectors  08:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. kennethaw88 • talk 06:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete a performer by performance category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Celebrity Big Brother winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Contents merged to Category:Reality show winners. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity big brother winners


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT, see the other nominations on this page -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Close this discussion the same way as the discussion about its parent category below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Combine With the outcome of the Category:Celebrity Big Brother contestants discussion below, whether I agree with that outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Reality show winners (PERFCAT). Although celebrity contestants shouldn't be categorised as such, I think celebrity winners can still be categorised as winners. But if it's just deleted per PERFCAT, I'd also be ok with it. anemone  projectors  08:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. kennethaw88 • talk 06:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete we should not be categorizing anyone by specific shows that they appeared on. If people truly are notable for being reality television contestants, they can easily be categorized under nationality + reality television contestants. There is zero reason to break it down by show.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Celebrity Big Brother (UK) winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Contents merged to Category:Reality show winners. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity big brother (uk) winners


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT, see the other nominations on this page. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:51, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Close this discussion the same way as the discussion about its grandparent category below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep For some of these people, winning CBB is what they are best-known for (at least to a substantial proportion of the population). Hence it is defining and is a valid, relevant category. You could argue that winning reality shows is similar to sportspeople winning tournaments or entertainers winning awards - and we have many cats for those things. Jim Michael (talk) 12:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Increasingly those award categories are disappearing; see this list. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Combine With the outcome of the Category:Celebrity Big Brother contestants discussion below, whether I agree with that outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Reality show winners (PERFCAT). Although celebrity contestants shouldn't be categorised as such, I think celebrity winners can still be categorised as winners. But if it's just deleted per PERFCAT, I'd also be ok with it. anemone  projectors  09:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. kennethaw88 • talk 06:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete we should not be categorizing anyone by specific shows that they appeared on. If people truly are notable for being reality television contestants, they can easily be categorized under nationality + reality television contestants. There is zero reason to break it down by show.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Celebrity Big Brother (UK) contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity big brother (uk) contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:PERFCAT. Rob Sinden (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * In principle, support -- They were brought on to Big Brother because they were already notable, and being a contestant was merely one performance in a career. The problem is that this is liable to be followed up by a nom for Category:Big Brother (UK) contestants, where many of the people are notable (if at all) for being  contestants.  A few have gone on to other things; but if we deleted that, we would be left with a lot of orphaned articles.  This also applies to a few of the "celebrity" contestants were in fact not such, but put in to see what would happen.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've had a look at the parent category as well, and the (potential) problem that Peterkingiron is mentioning does not really occur there, people in the parent category are also notable for more than just having been in Big Brother. So both the nominated category and the parent category may be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the cat is useful for anyone who can not navigate through pages about this subject. I see no reason for deletion.BabbaQ (talk) 22:55, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by can not navigate through pages? DexDor(talk) 20:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'm relisting both of these categories currently at CFD and nominating the other three child categories so they are all together on the same log date. I don't think it's necessary to renominate to include the child categories, but all of these should (ideally) be closed at the same time.
 * Delete per PERFCAT. The existing list is a much better way of dealing with this. Note that List of Celebrity Big Brother housemates and List of Celebrity Big Brother 1 housemates (UK) should be moved to the parent categories. anemone  projectors  12:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Combine With the outcome of the Category:Celebrity Big Brother contestants discussion below, whether I agree with that outcome or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete (upmerge lists if necessary) per above. DexDor(talk) 20:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete performer by performance; we don't have these sorts of categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. kennethaw88 • talk 06:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete we should not be categorizing anyone by specific shows that they appeared on. If people truly are notable for being reality television contestants, they can easily be categorized under nationality + reality television contestants. There is zero reason to break it down by show.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Celebrity Big Brother contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity big brother contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:PERFCAT. Rob Sinden (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep we routinely categorise reality TV contestants by which shows they were contestants on. For many of them it is defining. For many, it is what began their careers or kick-started their comebacks. Jim Michael (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * These are celebrities, so an appearance on any TV show is merely one performance in their career, which is why it is non-defining and fails WP:PERFCAT. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Most of them are low-level celebs, rather than people who are properly famous. Some of them are of such low notability that they don't have their own articles - even after living in the CBB House. As I said, in some cases it is defining - because it launched their careers or comebacks. In some cases, it's what they're best known for. For years we have categorised reality TV contestants by which show(s) they participated on - whether they were celebs at the time or not. I don't see why this type of cat would not be valid for celebs, whilst being valid for non-celebs. Jim Michael (talk) 17:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Sure, these aren't "A list" celebrities going on this or Dancing with the Stars. It's people trying to restart their careers. Nonetheless, the whole point of these shows is that they are already (vaguely) remembered by the TV audience. That's makes this a performance category, not something that defines these people. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:43, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - A single performance does not become a defining characteristic for a celebrity for purposes of categorization.- MrX 11:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Some of them aren't known by the large majority of people because CBB's definition of celebrity includes little-known models (such as Casey Batchelor), bit-part actors, (former) partners of celebs (such as Grant Bovey), people known only/primarily for appearing on reality shows (such as Stephen Bear) and people who are 'famous for being famous'. In some cases it is defining and/or the thing they're best known for - as is the case with Jade Goody. Jim Michael (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Casey Batchelor doesn't have her own article (just a redirect) so that shouldn't be a problem. Stephen Bear still remains in Category:Participants in British reality television series that apparently contains some 200 people who aren't notable for anything else than for reality tv. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'm relisting both of these categories currently at CFD and nominating the other three child categories so they are all together on the same log date. I don't think it's necessary to renominate to include the child categories, but all of these should (ideally) be closed at the same time.
 * Delete as PERFCAT. If they really are celebs, they will have an article anyway.  Non-celeb contestants may need a category, because they will probably be notable for nothing else, though I would question whether such people should have articles at all.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Well handled by a list. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Looks like we have the curious situation where the parent category looks likely to be deleted, but the child cats are either a) at CfD, but heading towards keep or b) not at CfD.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As I've said, not all of them are proper celebs. Calling Casey Batchelor and Grant Bovey celebs is ridiculous. She's 'known' for doing a bit of glamour modelling. He's 'known' for formerly being married to Anthea Turner. Some celebrity reality TV contestants, such as Stephen Bear, are known only for appearing on reality TV shows. Stephanie Pratt has a successful career and high profile merely for appearing on reality shows. Jim Michael (talk) 09:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep per Lugnuts. This requires a renomination including child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 20 August 2016 (UTC) struck since relisting with child categories also solves the problem Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC) 

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment (voted above) -- This clearly fails PERFCAT. I cannot understand why this was not closed as a delete.  I would have no objection to listifying.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per PERFCAT. anemone  projectors  09:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * None of these BB cats are within the scope of PERFCAT, because they're not performing roles. They're not acting roles, singing roles etc. They live in a house. Jim Michael (talk) 09:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete performer by performance, we don't have these sorts of categories. I disagree with Jim Michael's comment above; these don't define them in exactly the performer by performance manner; if these were celebrities before, their appearance on the show is no more meaningful than being a guest (as themselves) on a talk show, game show, or such. We don't have Category:The Tonight Show guests, Category:Celebrity Jeopardy! contestants, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's much more meaningful than being interviewed on a talk show or being a contestant on a episode or two of a game show. They live in a house for weeks. Many of them aren't proper celebs. Jim Michael (talk) 08:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If living in a house with strangers for a couple of weeks defines them as people, the biography doesn't meet WP:GNG and ought to be deleted, or redirected per WP:BLP1E. Either way this category would be empty. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. kennethaw88 • talk 06:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a performance category. There people are notable for other things, and their coming on the show is thus not in any way notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * They're not performances. Many of them aren't that notable and some of them are now best known by many for being on CBB. Jim Michael (talk) 16:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Operation Grapes of Wrath

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Operation Grapes of Wrath to Category:South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:SMALLCAT and WP:COMMONNAME
 * Operation Grapes of Wrath was an Israeli offensive against Hezbollah to discourage rocket attacks during the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000). The only article in this category is that main article and it's not clear what else would go in this subcategory versus staying in the parent category, Category:South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000). Finally, I think the name of this operations (versus the novel of the same name) is too obscure to aid navigation for readers. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: The notified Dimadick as the apparent category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Lebanon. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom When created (under a different name) this category was supposed to cover articles about a war in 1996. Since there is currently only a single article about the war as Operation Grapes of Wrath, there is little chance for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 11:45, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. "Grapes of Wrath" is ultimately a Biblical allusion.  However a one-article category is a waste of space.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:11, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


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