Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 4



Category:Colin Low

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename C2D, C2E. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Colin Low to Category:Works by Colin Low (filmmaker)
 * Nominator's rationale: Aside from Colin Low (filmmaker), all articles in cat and subcats are about works by him. Trivialist (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * unopposed, as category creator. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:36, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of people from Arlington

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:37, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lists of people from Arlington into Category:People from Arlington, Texas
 * Nominator's rationale: A category for lists but has just one list entry. Standard categorizing is that list articles of people from Foo are categorized 'People from Foo'. As for the subcategories, one should be merged also. The alumni category shouldn't, Being an alumni from a school in Foo doesn't automatically make a person from Foo. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now No objection to recreating if 5 or so list articles emerge. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge We only have one list, the two sub-categories are not lists. I am not sure why we would need more than one list of people from Arlington, Texas. However even if we had such, it would still need to use the Arlington, Texas form, since there are other equally notable places named Arlington.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, with the proviso that the list (but not the categories) should also be upmerged back to . Categories like this are not created to hold a single list, nor are categories filed as subcats of "Lists of..." categories — a category like this should not exist anywhere below the level of the state. A state, at least, will have five or ten or twenty cities with their own lists of people and/or some occupational lists, while a city will almost never have more than two ("List of people" and "List of mayors"), and even then frequently only one. Bearcat (talk) 21:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Cetaceans of Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cetaceans of australia


 * Nominator's rationale: That, for example, the Blue whale or Common dolphin is found off the coast of Australia is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of the species. See related discussion Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_24.  If this category is deleted then then a note could/should be added to Category:Mammals of Australia noting that it excludes cetaceans.  Note: There is a List of marine mammals of Australia. Note: There are currently two articles in this category that are specifically about Australia and hence could be upmerged (both are currently in plenty of other categories). DexDor(talk) 19:07, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose deletion, possibly rename/expand. I agree that categorization per country doesn't make much sense for cetaceans. However, deleting the category without adequate replacement IMO goes too far. Many of the articles show that distinctions can be made between cetaceans of the two hemispheres and different oceans, such as the North Atlantic. Unless someone with expertise on cetaceans proposed a better scheme that has been described in literature, we might want to expand the category to cover Oceania, or the Australasian ecozone in whole. --PanchoS (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hemisphere-based categories might make sense for cetaceans - and if such categories existed then this should be an upmerge rather than straight deletion. However, Blue whale, for example, is already in three other geography categories (Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean) so I'm not sure that any "replacement" is needed.  Note: Oceania generally refers to land rather than to sea. Note: of the 44 articles about species in Category:Cetaceans of Australia (currently) all but one are also in Category:Cetaceans of the Pacific Ocean. DexDor(talk) 06:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete/Open to Future Categories None of the articles I pulled up had a range exclusively around Australia. No objection for other groupings for a biome like Southern Hemisphere that would prevent WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCLOCATION. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Categorisation by country is a terrible way to categorise cetaceans, many (maybe most?) of which are sea-based (rather than freshwater-based) and have Australian waters as only a small part of their range.  If we are going to categorise cetaceans by area, we should base the groupings on water-based categories (e.g. oceans) rather than landmasses. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Australian rules football by region

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian rules football by region to Category:Australian rules football by continent
 * Nominator's rationale: to match the contents, except for which should be moved up into . – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


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Unnecessary stub category redirects

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting agonoxenidae stubs


 * Propose deleting australian rules biography, pre-1880 birth stubs


 * Propose deleting bacs-kiskun county geography stubs


 * Propose deleting beatles song stubs


 * Propose deleting bekes county geography stubs


 * Propose deleting christian democratic union (germany) politician stubs


 * Propose deleting csongrad county geography stubs


 * Propose deleting diplomat-stubs


 * Propose deleting ethmiidae stubs


 * Propose deleting french sport wrestling biography stubs


 * Propose deleting gender studies stubs


 * Propose deleting german biography stubs


 * Propose deleting german canoe olympic medalist stubs


 * Propose deleting horror comedy film stubs


 * Propose deleting human sexuality stubs


 * Propose deleting île-de-france rer stubs


 * Propose deleting mobile phone stubs


 * Propose deleting nord-pas-de-calais geography stubs


 * Propose deleting picardy geography stubs


 * Propose deleting picardy railway station stubs


 * Propose deleting poland people stubs


 * Propose deleting queens, new york buildings and structures stubs


 * Propose deleting sarcopterygii stubs


 * Propose deleting social network service stubs


 * Propose deleting sony computer entertainment stubs


 * Propose deleting spyrochaetes stubs


 * Propose deleting sweden history stubs


 * Propose deleting uk mps 2015-20 stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: No need to keep redirects for stub categories. Dawynn (talk) 14:21, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Can you clarify why there is no need for re-direct stub cats? Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The very nature of the category redirect header is aimed at people that may have tagged an article with the wrong category. But stub categories should never be directly added to an article.  Rather, a stub category is populated by placing an appropriate sub template tag in the various articles.  So, if a stub template is ever moved to a different category, then all of the articles that use that template will also move (typically within an hour or so).
 * Every true stub category should have an appropriate header at the top of it through use of template Stub category or one of its relatives. These all specify "To add an article to this category ...", notifying editors to use the appropriate stub template for that category.  As long as editors can read directions, then articles will only be added very templates.  And as long as articles are only added via templates, then only the true stub categories will ever have articles added to them.  Thus, there's no need to tell users how to redirect their articles -- we did that when we moved the template to the new category. Dawynn (talk) 19:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Procedural question Shouldn't this be at Redirects for discussion instead? P p p er y  (talk) 22:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It'd be even better if someone could add something to the administrator's directions regarding renaming categories. Something to the effect of -- "If renaming a stub category, after moving the template to the new category, delete the old stub category.  There's no need to retain stub categories that have no associated template."  Feel free to adjust the wording for clarity.  Dawynn (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: IMHO WP:G6 allows instant deletion of the redirect after renaming a stub category by consensus; non-admins may tag them for this purpose with db-housekeeping. However, a lot of these listed here were manually and intentionally created, some by experienced editors e.g. user:BrownHairedGirl, so discussion appears necessary in those cases. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, . I did a quick check and AFAICS from that small sample, the only one I created was Category:UK MPs 2015-20 stubs, a few minutes after creating Category:UK MPs 2015–20 stubs. I'm not sure whether there was any purpose behind the redirect other than a hardwired reflex action to create a redirect to an endashed title; but if there was another reason, I have long forgotten it. I agree with the nominator that in general, redirects to stub categories are fairly useless.  I don't think they do any harm, but if others want to delete the, then I won't stand in their way. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Chinese women archaeologists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting chinese women archaeologists


 * Nominator's rationale: Articles in Category:Women archaeologists are also included in the appropriate Category:Archaeologists by nationality, so this is redundant. Joe Roe (talk) 13:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete This violates the last rung rule. The last rung rule says we should only create a non-diffusing sex sub-cat of Category:Chinese archaeologists if there exists other, non-sex based sub-cats of the category. The problem is that at present there are no other sub-cats of the category, and with only 22 articles no reason to create such at this time. Nor with under 300 articles in Category:Women archeologists are we likely to have enough in specific nationalities to justify such sub-division, even if we did not run into the last rung rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Hierarchical storage management

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In case the latter is kept, "standart" at least needs to be renamed to "standards". --PanchoS (talk) 10:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Computer data storage (the parent that Marcocapelle referred to). -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hierarchical storage management to Category:Storage management
 * Propose merging into the renamed category.
 * Nominator's rationale: Expand scope of this WP:SMALLCAT, merging in another recently created WP:SMALLCAT.


 * Question why not upmerge Category:Hierarchical storage management to its parent? If it's no longer going to be restricted to "hierarchical" it no longer seems to differentiate from the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Computer storage protocol

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Definition of "computer storage protocol" is missing and distinction from hardware protocols and network protocols isn't easy. If kept to be further populated, at least it needs to be plural "protocols". -- PanchoS (talk) 10:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Computer storage protocol into Category:Computer backup
 * Nominator's rationale: Also merge to Category:Network protocols and Category:Network-attached storage. Single article, which is a specific network protocol for storage solutions.


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Category:Computer storage cache

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/rename as proposed. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting computer storage cache

Propose renaming the other category to better accomodate both SSD and flash drives, while getting rid of the unhelpful word "products". An even better proposal for this one would be welcome --PanchoS (talk) 10:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Flash caching products to
 * Nominator's rationale: Caching in computing basically always refers to caching one or the other form of "storage". With three of the four pages being already categorized more specifically in, and the fourth one (page cache) belonging in , the category seems completely redundant to preexisting categories.


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Category:Computer storage backup and archival

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Please also note the RM at Talk:Backup. PanchoS (talk) 09:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Computer storage backup and archival into Category:Computer backup
 * Nominator's rationale: Category seems totally redundant, both collecting articles related to Data backup.


 * Note: target has been nominated for speedy rename to Category:Backup. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Current Nebraska Cornhuskers football players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting current nebraska cornhuskers football players


 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Nebraska Cornhuskers football players is sufficient to categorize players for Nebraska Cornhuskers football. It's unnecessary to have a subcategory for current players. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Nebraska Cornhuskers football players. I don't know any American sports team players who we categorize by who is current and who isn't....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:42, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Nebraska Cornhuskers football players. 'Current' categories are generally not a good idea as they need constant vigilance. Oculi (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge per the aboves; current categories are usually not defining and frequently change and thus disfavored. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: all of the articles in Category:Current Nebraska Cornhuskers football players are also already in Category:Nebraska Cornhuskers football players, so there's no effective difference between a delete and merge here. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


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