Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 1



Category:British Armed Forces

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. However, it sounds like there is some support for at least a partial – possibly a complete – merge in the opposite direction, so that could be proposed in a new nomination. Category:Military of the United Kingdom would need to be nominated, and it wasn't during this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Armed Forces to Category:Military of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: The British Armed Forces and the British military are one and the same. The official term is the former, but the category tree (Category:Military by country) uses the latter term for every country in the world. There is absolutely no point in having two separate categories with the same meaning. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * REverse merge -- This is an ENGVAR issue. In UK, military means army.  Navy and RAF are armed forces, but not "military".  I asm not suggesting we should change the parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I totally agree it's an ENGVAR issue, but the category tree uses "military of" exclusively, so for consistency's sake I think we're better off keeping it like this. Having a single, solitary one that's different isn't very helpful. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Category:Military of the United Kingdom also has subcats and articles that are not about the British Armed Forces, e.g. articles about the history of the military of the United Kingdom like Scottish Royal Army. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant to the proposal? It would only be relevant if I'd proposed what Peterkingiron is saying above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose either way, to be more precise. Of course, much of Category:Military of the United Kingdom is about British Armed Forces, but not everything. Category:British Armed Forces is therefore an appropriate subcategory of Military of the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So, what you're actually saying is that most of Category:Military of the United Kingdom should be transferred to Category:British Armed Forces, which should then be left as a subcat? I would be okay with that, although I'm not sure how much would be left. Most would be stuff that's not part of the military of the United Kingdom anyway, but the militaries of Great Britain, England or Scotland before the UK existed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:59, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Home automation

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Home automation to Category:Building automation
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Home automation should possibly be merged into Category:Building automation.

Yes, building automation reaches further than home automation but then I suppose the overwhelming majority of articles related to any one of those categories should be added to the other one as well. Or, to put it differently: If only articles related to home automation and NOT to building automation were to remain in home automation, this category would probably be (almost) empty and hence could as well be merged.

It would probably need an expert of the subject matter to determine if my assumptions are correct or whether there are actually a number of articles which are concerned solely with home automation without being relevant to building automation.

Since "home automation" has become quite a well-known term it might also make sense to merge both categories into a new category named "home & building automation".

By the way, is it correct that Category:Automation is part of Category:Control engineering or should it be the other way around?

Thank your very much. KaiKemmann (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure I agree that there is a problem with the categorization, but I am not convinced that a merger is an improvement. KaiKemmann is correct in pointing out that we need improvement, because some of the items in the "home" category are for commercial or general use also. The reason why I do not favor only a merge is that these are two large categories and because I think there is merit in splitting them somehow. "Home" sort of means domestic, and I do think that it is valuable to note that because already that is a popular category with many items. I think that I would favor a merge if someone made a plan for a new subcategory structure within that category, but I myself cannot imagine what that should be.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  15:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree with this comment. Category:Building automation may be kept as a parent category for e.g. Category:Home automation, Category:Apartment building automation and Category:Company building automation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I see your point. So lets stick to the existing categories for now.

Does anyone have an opinion on whether Category:Automation should be part of Category:Control engineering or they should maybe be categorized the other way around?, --KaiKemmann (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like this may better be discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Engineering or Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories. This forum is only for renaming, merging and deleting categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Ice Bucket Challenge

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ice bucket challenge


 * Nominator's rationale: Does this really need an entire category? KATMAKROFAN (talk) 04:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete The category only has 3 articles with little room for grown and my personal WP:SMALLCAT cutoff is 5. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. This can be easily upmerged. Neutralitytalk 20:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


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