Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 14



Category:Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship into mosques

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Places of worship converted into mosques. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship into mosques to Category:Non-Muslim places of worship converted into mosques
 * Nominator's rationale: As a subcat of, this category should have a title that reflects its scope: it's for individual places of worship, much more so than articles on the general topic of conversion to mosques. Something like might be cleaner, so I'd support that as well. BDD (talk) 16:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Support Use. It does what it says on the tin — Iadmc  ♫ talk 16:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think that's the better option. Based on my understanding and Place of worship, you're not really going to have an Islamic place of worship that's not a mosque. And even if you had a Jama'at Khana that gets consecrated as a mosque, you wouldn't call that process "conversion".
 * On a related note, "Non-Islamic" seems more correct than "Non-Muslim" anyway. I may do an RM at the corresponding article. --BDD (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * IIRC, "Muslim" refers to the people, "Islam" to their beliefs and practises. Therefore, "non-Islamic" would make more sense, as a building is not a person but can be a place where beliefs are practised — Iadmc  ♫ talk 18:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Right. I think you could still say a mosque is a "Muslim place of worship"—i.e., a place where Muslims worship—but that sounds a little awkward. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Support . Keep it short and simple. --HyperGaruda (talk) 12:55, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - if it were  already Muslim, it would already be a mosque, so it wouldn't need to be converted into one. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support last suggestion as more succinct. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Conductors (music) by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Conductors (music) by nationality to Category:
 * Nominator's rationale: I propose the following be stripped of their (music) disambiguator as it is unnecessary, Category:Colombian conductors‎ has never had the dab and I removed it from Category:Sri Lankan conductors‎ (music) after working on Dinesh Subasinghe — Iadmc  ♫ talk 15:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Albanian conductors (music)

American conductors (music) Conductors (music) from San Francisco‎ American conductor (music) stubs‎

Argentine conductors (music)‎ Armenian conductors (music)‎ Australian conductors (music)‎ Austrian conductors (music) Azerbaijani conductors (music)‎ Belgian conductors (music) Bolivian conductors (music) Brazilian conductors (music)‎

British conductors (music)‎ Conductors (music) from Northern Ireland‎ English conductors (music)‎ Gibraltarian conductors (music)‎ Scottish conductors (music) Welsh conductors (music) British conductor (music) stubs

Bulgarian conductors (music) Canadian conductors (music) Chilean conductors (music) Chinese conductors (music)‎ Costa Rican conductors (music) Croatian conductors (music) Cuban conductors (music) Czech conductors (music)‎ Czechoslovak conductors (music)‎ Danish conductors (music) Dutch conductors (music) Ecuadorian conductors (music) Egyptian conductors (music) Estonian conductors (music) Filipino conductors (music) Finnish conductors (music)‎ French conductors (music)‎ Conductors (music) from Georgia (country)

German conductors (music)‎ German conductor (music) stubs‎

Greek conductors (music) Guatemalan conductors (music)‎ Hong Kong conductors (music) Hungarian conductors (music) Icelandic conductors (music)‎ Indian conductors (music) Indonesian conductors (music) Iranian conductors (music) Iraqi conductors (music)‎ Irish conductors (music) Israeli conductors (music)‎ Italian conductors (music) Japanese conductors (music) Kazakhstani conductors (music)‎ Korean conductors (music) South Korean conductors (music)‎ Kosovar conductors (music) Latvian conductors (music) Lebanese conductors (music) Lithuanian conductors (music) Luxembourgian conductors (music)‎ Macedonian conductors (music) Mexican conductors (music) New Zealand conductors (music) Norwegian conductors (music) Panamanian conductors (music) Paraguayan conductors (music)‎ Peruvian conductors (music) Polish conductors (music) Portuguese conductors (music) Romanian conductors (music)

Russian conductors (music)‎ Imperial Russian conductors (music)‎

Salvadoran conductors (music) Scottish conductors (music)‎ Serbian conductors (music) Singaporean conductors (music) Slovak conductors (music)‎ Slovenian conductors (music)‎ South African conductors (music)‎ Soviet conductors (music)‎ Spanish conductors (music) Swedish conductors (music)‎ Swiss conductors (music) Taiwanese conductors (music)‎ Thai conductors (music) Tunisian conductors (music) Turkish conductors (music) Ukrainian conductors (music)‎ Uruguayan conductors (music)‎ Venezuelan conductors (music)‎ — Iadmc  ♫ talk 15:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose – these names were decided by cfd in 2010. (Most certainly ambiguous. Also nothing is tagged.) Oculi (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's ambiguous about "Venezuelan conductors". Bus conductors are rarely notable for being bus conductors and electrical conductors have no nationality. Furthermore, the Sri Lankan conductors category page was empty so I just moved Sri Lankan conductors (music) over; I assume all the others are empty too (not checked). I reverted my tag in the Category:Conductors (music) by nationality page because the page is protected. I added this proposal to the talk page instead then realised TW had already added this discussion so I thought I'd better come over and comment. I did look at the old CfD but it closed without consensus so I thought I'd renew debate. — Iadmc  ♫ talk 16:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Or we could rename to Conductors of music by nationality/Venezuelan conductors of music? Nothing ambiguous there, as far as I can tell. — Iadmc  ♫ talk 16:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * There was a consensus: "The result of the discussion was: rename all as nominated". The main category is and all the subcats follow the same convention, as usual. There was discussion of a rename to  which is indeed not ambiguous. Oculi (talk) 01:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There was also an unsucessful rename proposal at cfd in 2014 similar to this one. Oculi (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I must be looking at the wrong discussion. Thanks for the heads up. I fine with leaving it now you've clarified the situation. It obviously makes sense to name subcats for the main cat. BTW, Colombian conductors‎ needs moving if so. —  Iadmc  ♫ talk 15:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose As ambiguous. This probably shows my lack of culture, but I actually think of train conductors first. Conductor lists a lot of possible meanings. (The main article here is Conducting with Conductor (music) being a redirect so WP:C2D doesn't really offer clear guidance here.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Procedural Note Since the categories aren't tagged, I'm assuming this is more of a conceptual pre-discussion which I'm fine with. See WP:CFD for background. Thanks!  RevelationDirect (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly that. I fact I've reconsidered after reading Oculi's posts above... and I hadn't though of trains! It makes sense as it is, following the top cat. Therefore, I'm fine with returning the one I moved back (Sri Lankan conductors back to Sri Lankan conductors (music)) and moving Colombian conductors‎ to Colombian conductors‎ (music) as it was never mover, it seems. Sorry to open this can of worms again. More research next time, methinks... — Iadmc  ♫ talk 15:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Just to point out that Category talk:Conductors (music) by nationality doesn't point to the second CfD. Hence my confusion above. — Iadmc  ♫ talk 15:40, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I tend to use 'what links here' and very rarely look at category talk pages. It is most refreshing to find that my remarks have produced a rethink. Oculi (talk) 10:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I've added the June 2010 CfD to Category talk:Conductors (music) by nationality. The other 82 subcats might need it too but I don't have time at the moment. Will add after the new year — Iadmc  ♫ talk 02:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Withdraw proposal — Iadmc  ♫ talk 02:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:History of Roman Catholicism

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice to a future creation of  as a parent category, if needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 13:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism to Category:History of the Catholic Church
 * Nominator's rationale: Including subcategories as per History of the Catholic Church - see also Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia (preferably with equivalent changes to respective article names). Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Support make sense. — Iadmc  ♫ talk 16:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably this needs a split between Category:History of the Catholic Church (as a child category) and Category:History of Catholicism (as the parent category), per article Catholicism. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why so? Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Simple. Catholicism (the "universal doctrine") is used to refer to Christian denominations which adhere to "episcopal polity, sacramental theology, apostolic succession and sacred tradition". Besides the Catholic Church, the term "Catholic" is used in reference to the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church,  the Church of the East, the Anglican Communion, and the Old Catholic Churches. None is in communion with the Catholic Church, but they all view themselves as Catholic. Several of them adhere to the Four Marks of the Church: "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church". Dimadick (talk) 17:16, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I object to the above description reflecting cpndensus. Furthermore, there is no need of an article "Catholicism in France" etc. since there already is Catholic Church in France, much less so equivalent categories. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I strongly doubt if Orthodox churches are usually counted as part of Catholic churches. But Catholicism does include Old Catholic churches, independent Catholic churches, and the general visibility of Catholics and Catholic organizations in society (e.g. Catholic politic parties). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

This should be a completely uncontroversial suggestion in analogy with Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia. Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Modular Recordings discography

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 * The result of the discussion was: move back subcategories and delete category (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting modular recordings discography


 * Nominator's rationale: There is no need for this container category for two subcats--just link them with catseealso (as many already are). —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge albums and singles categories to Category:Modular Recordings; the remaining categories should be moved back as subcategories under Category:Modular Recordings albums. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Anabaptist denominations established in the 20th century

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. —  ξ xplicit  04:43, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I propose we merge Category:Anabaptist denominations established in the 20th century into Category:Anabaptist organizations established in the 20th century. They are essentially identical. For the preference of that title, see WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group/Categories. I don't actually know how to do this without editing each article individually. Sondra.kinsey (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Iadmc  ♫ talk 16:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- WP has a long history of categorising denominations as such. It may be that the target needs to be purged of denominations.  If this does go ahead we need to ensure that the subject is also merged to Category:Anabaptist denominations to avoid the loss of data.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Peterkingiron. I've moved a few denominations from the organizations to the denominations category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Sigmund Freud in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting: Category:Sigmund Freud in fiction to merge it with Category:Cultural depictions of Sigmund Freud
 * Nominator's rationale: As the category Sigmund Freud in fiction clearly states it's usually about depictions of Freud himself, so in that case the category would be better if it was merged with Cultural depictions of Sigmund Freud, in line with all the other categories about cultural depictions of historical people or celebrities. User:Kjell Knudde 23:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC).


 * Merge This doesn't seem to be a clear distinction. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Unclear distinction. Dimadick (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


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