Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 10



Category:Closed down Wikipedia projects, activities or processes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Closed down Wikipedia projects, activities or processes to Category:Inactive project pages
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think we need both these categories; it just unncessarily complicates things. DexDor(talk) 20:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is an important distinction between inactive (once were active) and pages that have been preemptively closed down following community discussion.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:03, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete, it's apparently not in use for anything else than one user page, without a need for expansion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Charged Energy

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted by RHaworth per WP:G6. Mangoe (talk) 23:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting charged energy


 * Nominator's rationale: Two issues with this category: a) the capitalization is incorrect; and b) I don't see what would populate this category. Existing categories like Category:Electric charge seem sufficient. /wiae   /tlk  18:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Sounds like nonsense.  Random editors should not be allowed to so easy create nonsense categories.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:IOP Publishing academic journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:IOP Publishing academic journals into Category:IOP Publishing academic journals and Category:Institute of Physics academic journals


 * Nominator's rationale: IOP Publishing offers some journals that are not of the Institute of Physics itself, but are published on behalf of partner organizations, e.g., The Astronomical Journal of the American Astronomical Society; see separate listing for titles of publishing partners and IOP own titles. fgnievinski (talk) 17:22, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename all, IOP is an unacceptable WP:TLA. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The publishing company "IOP Publishing" is obviously to be confused with the learned society "Institute of Physics". IOP Publishing is a TLA with weird capitalization for when the learned society publishes.  OK, User:Fgnievinski is right.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Really too subtle a distinction, this is inviting a mess with nobody knowing which article should go into which category. I have no problem with the current name, as the name of the publisher is "IOP Publishing". If desired, a cat redirect could be used at Category Institute of Physics academic journals. --Randykitty (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I couldn't understand the distinction either. I think simply renaming to Category:Institute of Physics academic journals makes for betterr English though less jargon.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename/Don't Split to Category:Institute of Physics academic journals. I understand that the current IOP Publishing name is more precise but listing the parent organization seems less jargon-y and would aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose The publisher is IOP Publishing, not the Institute of Physics. All IOP journals are published by IOP Publishing. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: some background: the publishing company "IOP Publishing" is not to be confused with the learned society "Institute of Physics"; the former is a wholly owned subsidiary of the latter and exercises some independence, e.g., the publisher has its own website ioppublishing.org, separate from the society's website at iop.org. Wikipedia has journal categories for publishers (e.g., Category:Elsevier academic journals) and for societies (e.g., Category:American Astronomical Society academic journals), and journals can be members of both (e.g., Icarus is a member of the previous two categories). The proposal is to create a new sub-category of Category:IOP Publishing academic journals to hold the society's own journals, while keeping the sister society's journals (e.g., Chinese Physics B, The Astronomical Journal) in the existing category. fgnievinski (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see the navigation benefit for double categorizing tons of journals by their publisher (ABC Publishing) and their learned society (Associates Biologists Clubs). RevelationDirect (talk) 01:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I find it backwards to have, e.g., Chinese Physics B listed as a journal of a physics society based on the UK. fgnievinski (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Except it's not. It's listed as a journal published by IOP Publishing. It's actually published by the Chinese Physical Society, and is hosted by IOP Publishing, but we've always categorized journals hosted by a publisher with other journals of the publisher. X published on behalf of Y' gets both the categories of X and Y. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * REname -- WE cannot allow IOP, because WP seeks to expand abbreviations. If Category:Institute of Physics journals is unacceptable ("academic" being redundant), the addition of "published by" (or such like) ought to cure the problem.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Institute of Physics journals or Category:Institute of Physics academic journals, and purge journals that aren't of the Institute of Physics, per parent Category:Academic journals published by learned and professional societies in which academic journals aren't categorized by independent publisher. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Journal of Economic Literature

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting journal of economic literature


 * Nominator's rationale: limited growth potential. fgnievinski (talk) 17:01, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Poor deletion rationale.  No obvious upmerge.  As it is small it could probably be merged, but do not delete.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Poor rationale? WP:SMALLCAT reads: "no potential for growth"; I gave "limited growth potential". fgnievinski (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. No need to upmerge, one article is already in the parent category, the other article doesn't fit in the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. The two articles are both well categorized. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete too small a category to be worth keeping.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The merge target would be "economic journals", but both articles are already in that cat. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Alternate magazines

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete.  SQL Query me!  00:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Alternate magazines to: a better name yet to be found
 * Nominator's rationale: Does this term exist? And if it does, does it refer to publication frequency? To me it rather resonates with being alternative by content, style, or ways of production and distribution. PanchoS (talk) 15:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

However, this category defines itself as magazines published at odd times or the publication rate is alternative from a regular rate - i.e. 10 issues a year or only releases occasional issues. I see that we have a Category:Magazines by publication frequency with 15 subcats, but this feels to me like an "others" category -- it groups a) publications with an irregular frequency alongside b) those with a regular but unusual frequency. That's not a coherent combination. We already have a Category:Irregularly published magazines for type A, and any irregularly published mag which fits there should be recategorised accordingly. I don't see any need for a catch-all category of other-regular-frequencies, so once this categ is purged of the irregulars, it should just be deleted. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * My best guess is that this about "alternative publication frequency", i.e. an unusual publication frequency for which a dedicated category doesn't exist. If I'm right then delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Purge and delete. The adjective "alternate" conveys to me the dictionary concept of alternating, defined by Merriam-Webster as "occurring in or forming a repeated series". So one month they would publish "Beauty Tips for the Pulchritudinally Challenged", and the next month it would be "Practical Vacuum Cleaning for Cats".
 * I'm fine with that approach, unless someone comes up with a more convincing title and a rationale for keeping a category like Category:Magazines published in an unusual frequency. --PanchoS (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem with something like Category:Magazines published in an unusual frequency is that's effectively a negative category, and we don't categorise by the absence of an attribute. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete/Rename if Kept I would assume this category had Alternative magazines so the current name is a problem. I don't know if this actually is a commonality with the publications so I would lean toward delete but am open to renaming too. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:22, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. What's wrong with complementary categories "Normal magazines" and "Alternative magazines"?!?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Alternative media is not a defining concept. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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Media by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename according to Option B. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * either Option A''


 * Category:Afghan media to Category:Media of Afghanistan
 * Category:Albanian media to Category:Media of Albania
 * Category:Algerian media to Category:Media of Algeria
 * Category:American media to Category:Media of the United States
 * Category:Andorran media to Category:Media of Andorra
 * Category:Angolan media to Category:Media of Angola
 * Category:Argentine media to Category:Media of Argentina
 * Category:Armenian media to Category:Media of Armenia
 * Category:Australian media to Category:Media of Australia
 * Category:Austrian media to Category:Media of Austria
 * Category:Austro-Hungarian media to Category:Media of Austria-Hungary
 * Category:Azerbaijani media to Category:Media of Azerbaijan
 * Category:Bahamian media to Category:Media of the Bahamas
 * Category:Bahraini media to Category:Media of Bahrain
 * Category:Bangladeshi media to Category:Media of Bangladesh
 * Category:Barbadian media to Category:Media of Barbados
 * Category:Belarusian media to Category:Media of Belarus
 * Category:Belgian media to Category:Media of Belgium
 * Category:Belizean media to Category:Media of Belize
 * Category:Beninese media to Category:Media of Benin
 * Category:Bermudian media to Category:Media of Bermuda
 * Category:Bhutanese media to Category:Media of Bhutan
 * Category:Bissau-Guinean media to Category:Media of Guinea-Bissau
 * Category:Bolivian media to Category:Media of Bolivia
 * Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina media to Category:Media of Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Category:Botswana media to Category:Media of Botswana
 * Category:Brazilian media to Category:Media of Brazilia
 * Category:British media to Category:Media of the United Kingdom
 * Category:Bruneian media to Category:Media of Brunei
 * Category:Bulgarian media to Category:Media of Bulgaria
 * Category:Burkinabé media to Category:Media of Burkina Faso‎
 * Category:Burmese media to Category:Media of Myanmar
 * Category:Burundian media to Category:Media of Burundi
 * Category:Cambodian media to Category:Media of Cambodia
 * Category:Cameroonian media to Category:Media of Cameroon
 * Category:Canadian media to Category:Media of Canada
 * Category:Cape Verdean media to Category:Media of Cape Verde
 * Category:Caymanian media to Category:Media of the Cayman Islands‎
 * Category:Central African Republic media to Category:Media of the Central African Republic
 * Category:Chadian media to Category:Media of Chad
 * Category:Chilean media to Category:Media of Chile
 * Category:Colombian media to Category:Media of Colombia
 * Category:Comorian media to Category:Media of the Comoros
 * Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo media to Category:Media of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Category:Costa Rican media to Category:Media of Costa Rica
 * Category:Croatian media to Category:Media of Croatia
 * Category:Cuban media to Category:Media of Cuba
 * Category:Cypriot media to Category:Media of Cyprus
 * Category:Czech media to Category:Media of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovak media to Category:Media of Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Danish media to Category:Media of Denmark
 * Category:Djiboutian media to Category:Media of Djibouti
 * Category:Dominica media to Category:Media of Dominica
 * Category:Dominican Republic media to Category:Media of the Dominican Republic
 * Category:Dutch media to Category:Media of the Netherlands‎
 * Category:East Timorese media to Category:Media of East Timor
 * Category:Ecuadorian media to Category:Media of Ecuador
 * Category:Egyptian media to Category:Media of Egypt
 * Category:English media to Category:Media of England
 * Category:Equatoguinean media to Category:Media of Equatorial Guinea
 * Category:Eritrean media to Category:Media of Eritrea
 * Category:Estonian media to Category:Media of Estonia
 * Category:Ethiopian media to Category:Media of Ethiopia
 * Category:Faroese media to Category:Media of the Faroe Islands‎
 * Category:Fijian media to Category:Media of Fiji
 * Category:Finnish media to Category:Media of Finland
 * Category:French media to Category:Media of France
 * Category:Gabonese media to Category:Media of Gabon
 * Category:Gambian media to Category:Media of Gambian
 * Category:German media to Category:Media of German
 * Category:Ghanaian media to Category:Media of Ghana
 * Category:Gibraltarian media to Category:Media of Gibraltar
 * Category:Greek media to Category:Media of Greece
 * Category:Greenlandic media to Category:Media of Greenland
 * Category:Guatemalan media to Category:Media of Guatemala
 * Category:Guernsey media to Category:Media of Guernsey
 * Category:Guinean media to Category:Media of Guinea
 * Category:Guyanese media to Category:Media of Guyana
 * Category:Haitian media to Category:Media of Haiti
 * Category:Honduran media to Category:Media of Honduras
 * Category:Hong Kong media to Category:Media of Hong Kong
 * Category:Hungarian media to Category:Media of Hungary
 * Category:Indian media to Category:Media of India
 * Category:Icelandic media to Category:Media of Iceland
 * Category:Indonesian media to Category:Media of Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian media to Category:Media of Iran
 * Category:Iraqi media to Category:Media of Iraq
 * Category:Irish media to Category:Media of Ireland
 * Category:Israeli media to Category:Media of Israel
 * Category:Italian media to Category:Media of Italy
 * Category:Ivorian media to Category:Media of Ivory Coast
 * Category:Jamaican media to Category:Media of Jamaica
 * Category:Japanese media to Category:Media of Japan
 * Category:Jersey media to Category:Media of Jersey
 * Category:Jordanian media to Category:Media of Jordan
 * Category:Kazakhstani media to Category:Media of Kazakhstan
 * Category:Kenyan media to Category:Media of Kenya
 * Category:I-Kiribati media to Category:Media of Kiribati
 * Category:Korean media to Category:Media of Korea
 * Category:North Korean media to Category:Media of North Korea
 * Category:South Korean media to Category:Media of South Korea
 * Category:Kosovar media to Category:Media of Kosovo
 * Category:Kuwaiti media to Category:Media of Kuwait
 * Category:Kyrgyzstani media to Category:Media of Kyrgyzstan
 * Category:Laotian media to Category:Media of Laos
 * Category:Latvian media to Category:Media of Latvia
 * Category:Lebanese media to Category:Media of Lebanon
 * Category:Lesotho media to Category:Media of Lesotho
 * Category:Liberian media to Category:Media of Liberia
 * Category:Libyan media to Category:Media of Libya
 * Category:Lithuanian media to Category:Media of Lithuania
 * Category:Luxembourgian media to Category:Media of Luxembourg
 * Category:Macedonian media to Category:Media of Macedonia
 * Category:Malawian media to Category:Media of Malawi
 * Category:Malaysian media to Category:Media of Malaysia
 * Category:Maldivian media to Category:Media of the Maldives‎
 * Category:Malian media to Category:Media of Mali
 * Category:Maltese media to Category:Media of Malta
 * Category:Mauritanian media to Category:Media of Mauritania
 * Category:Mauritian media to Category:Media of Mauritius
 * Category:Mexican media to Category:Media of Mexico
 * Category:Moldovan media to Category:Media of Moldova
 * Category:Monegasque media to Category:Media of Monaco
 * Category:Mongolian media to Category:Media of Mongolia
 * Category:Montenegrin media to Category:Media of Montenegro
 * Category:Montenegro media to Category:Media of Montenegro
 * Category:Moroccan media to Category:Media of Morocco
 * Category:Mozambican media to Category:Media of Mozambique
 * Category:Namibian media to Category:Media of Namibia
 * Category:Nauruan media to Category:Media of Nauru
 * Category:Nepalese media to Category:Media of Nepal
 * Category:New Zealand media to Category:Media of New Zealand
 * Category:Nicaraguan media to Category:Media of Nicaragua
 * Category:Nigerian media to Category:Media of Nigeria
 * Category:Nigerien media to Category:Media of Niger
 * Category:Norwegian media to Category:Media of Norway
 * Category:Omani media to Category:Media of Oman
 * Category:Pakistani media to Category:Media of Pakistan
 * Category:Palauan media to Category:Media of Palau
 * Category:Palestinian media to Category:Media of Palestine
 * Category:Panamanian media to Category:Media of Panama
 * Category:Papua New Guinean media to Category:Media of Papua New Guinea
 * Category:Paraguayan media to Category:Media of Paraguay
 * Category:Peruvian media to Category:Media of Peru
 * Category:Philippine media to Category:Media of the Philippines
 * Category:Polish media to Category:Media of Poland
 * Category:Portuguese media to Category:Media of Portugal
 * Category:Qatari media to Category:Media of Qatar
 * Category:Romanian media to Category:Media of Romania
 * Category:Russian media to Category:Media of Russia
 * Category:Rwandan media to Category:Media of Rwanda
 * Category:Sahrawi media to Category:Media of Western Sahara
 * Category:Saint Lucian media to Category:Media of Saint Lucia
 * Category:Salvadoran media to Category:Media of El Salvador
 * Category:Samoan media to Category:Media of Samoa
 * Category:São Tomé and Príncipe media to Category:Media of São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Category:Saudi Arabian media to Category:Media of Saudi Arabia
 * Category:Scottish media to Category:Media of Scotland
 * Category:Senegalese media to Category:Media of Senegal
 * Category:Serbian media to Category:Media of Serbia
 * Category:Seychellois media to Category:Media of Seychelles
 * Category:Sierra Leonean media to Category:Media of Sierra Leone
 * Category:Singaporean media to Category:Media of Singapore
 * Category:Slovak media to Category:Media of Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian media to Category:Media of Slovenia
 * Category:Solomon Islands media to Category:Media of the Solomon Islands
 * Category:Somalian media to Category:Media of Somalia
 * Category:South African media to Category:Media of South Africa
 * Category:Soviet media to Category:Media of the Soviet Union
 * Category:Spanish media to Category:Media of Spain
 * Category:Sri Lankan media to Category:Media of Sri Lanka
 * Category:Sudanese media to Category:Media of Sudan
 * Category:South Sudanese media to Category:Media of South Sudan
 * Category:Surinamese media to Category:Media of Suriname
 * Category:Swazi media to Category:Media of Swaziland
 * Category:Swedish media to Category:Media of Sweden
 * Category:Swiss media to Category:Media of Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian media to Category:Media of Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese media to Category:Media of Taiwan
 * Category:Tajikistani media to Category:Media of Tajikistan
 * Category:Tanzanian media to Category:Media of Tanzania
 * Category:Thai media to Category:Media of Thailand
 * Category:Tibetan media to Category:Media of Tibet
 * Category:Togolese media to Category:Media of Togo
 * Category:Tokelauan media to Category:Media of Tokelau
 * Category:Tongan media to Category:Media of Tonga
 * Category:Trinidad and Tobago media to Category:Media of Trinidad and Tobago
 * Category:Tunisian media to Category:Media of Tunisia
 * Category:Turkish media to Category:Media of Turkey
 * Category:Turkmenistan media to Category:Media of Turkmenistan
 * Category:Tuvaluan media to Category:Media of Tuvalu
 * Category:Ugandan media to Category:Media of Uganda
 * Category:Ukrainian media to Category:Media of Ukraine
 * Category:Emirati media to Category:Media of the United Arab Emirates
 * Category:Uruguayan media to Category:Media of Uruguay
 * Category:Uzbekistani media to Category:Media of Uzbekistan
 * Category:Vanuatuan media to Category:Media of Vanuatua
 * Category:Vatican City media to Category:Media of Vatican City
 * Category:Venezuelan media to Category:Media of Venezuela
 * Category:Vietnamese media to Category:Media of Vietnam
 * Category:Welsh media to Category:Media of Wales
 * Category:Yemeni media to Category:Media of Yemen
 * Category:Yugoslav media to Category:Media of Yugoslavia
 * Category:Zambian media to Category:Media of Zambia
 * Category:Zimbabwean media to Category:Media of Zimbabwe
 * Category:Media in the European Union to Category:Media of the European Union
 * Category:Media in Georgia (country) to Category:Media of Georgia (country)
 * Category:Media in Iraqi Kurdistan to Category:Media of Iraqi Kurdistan
 * Category:Media in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Media of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:United Nations media to Category:Media of the United Nations


 * or Option B


 * Category:Media of Macau to Category:Media in Macau
 * Category:Afghan media to Category:Media in Afghanistan
 * Category:Albanian media to Category:Media in Albania
 * Category:Algerian media to Category:Media in Algeria
 * Category:American media to Category:Media in the United States
 * Category:Andorran media to Category:Media in Andorra
 * Category:Angolan media to Category:Media in Angola
 * Category:Argentine media to Category:Media in Argentina
 * Category:Armenian media to Category:Media in Armenia
 * Category:Australian media to Category:Media in Australia
 * Category:Austrian media to Category:Media in Austria
 * Category:Austro-Hungarian media to Category:Media in Austria-Hungary
 * Category:Azerbaijani media to Category:Media in Azerbaijan
 * Category:Bahamian media to Category:Media in the Bahamas
 * Category:Bahraini media to Category:Media in Bahrain
 * Category:Bangladeshi media to Category:Media in Bangladesh
 * Category:Barbadian media to Category:Media in Barbados
 * Category:Belarusian media to Category:Media in Belarus
 * Category:Belgian media to Category:Media in Belgium
 * Category:Belizean media to Category:Media in Belize
 * Category:Beninese media to Category:Media in Benin
 * Category:Bermudian media to Category:Media in Bermuda
 * Category:Bhutanese media to Category:Media in Bhutan
 * Category:Bissau-Guinean media to Category:Media in Guinea-Bissau
 * Category:Bolivian media to Category:Media in Bolivia
 * Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina media to Category:Media in Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Category:Botswana media to Category:Media in Botswana
 * Category:Brazilian media to Category:Media in Brazilia
 * Category:British media to Category:Media in the United Kingdom
 * Category:Bruneian media to Category:Media in Brunei
 * Category:Bulgarian media to Category:Media in Bulgaria
 * Category:Burkinabé media to Category:Media in Burkina Faso‎
 * Category:Burmese media to Category:Media in Myanmar
 * Category:Burundian media to Category:Media in Burundi
 * Category:Cambodian media to Category:Media in Cambodia
 * Category:Cameroonian media to Category:Media in Cameroon
 * Category:Canadian media to Category:Media in Canada
 * Category:Cape Verdean media to Category:Media in Cape Verde
 * Category:Caymanian media to Category:Media in the Cayman Islands‎
 * Category:Central African Republic media to Category:Media in the Central African Republic
 * Category:Chadian media to Category:Media in Chad
 * Category:Chilean media to Category:Media in Chile
 * Category:Media of China to Category:Media in China
 * Category:Colombian media to Category:Media in Colombia
 * Category:Comorian media to Category:Media in the Comoros
 * Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo media to Category:Media in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Category:Costa Rican media to Category:Media in Costa Rica
 * Category:Croatian media to Category:Media in Croatia
 * Category:Cuban media to Category:Media in Cuba
 * Category:Cypriot media to Category:Media in Cyprus
 * Category:Czech media to Category:Media in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Czechoslovak media to Category:Media in Czechoslovakia
 * Category:Danish media to Category:Media in Denmark
 * Category:Djiboutian media to Category:Media in Djibouti
 * Category:Dominica media to Category:Media in Dominica
 * Category:Dominican Republic media to Category:Media in the Dominican Republic
 * Category:Dutch media to Category:Media in the Netherlands‎
 * Category:East Timorese media to Category:Media in East Timor
 * Category:Ecuadorian media to Category:Media in Ecuador
 * Category:Egyptian media to Category:Media in Egypt
 * Category:English media to Category:Media in England
 * Category:Equatoguinean media to Category:Media in Equatorial Guinea
 * Category:Eritrean media to Category:Media in Eritrea
 * Category:Estonian media to Category:Media in Estonia
 * Category:Ethiopian media to Category:Media in Ethiopia
 * Category:Faroese media to Category:Media in the Faroe Islands‎
 * Category:Fijian media to Category:Media in Fiji
 * Category:Finnish media to Category:Media in Finland
 * Category:French media to Category:Media in France
 * Category:Gabonese media to Category:Media in Gabon
 * Category:Gambian media to Category:Media in Gambian
 * Category:German media to Category:Media in German
 * Category:Ghanaian media to Category:Media in Ghana
 * Category:Gibraltarian media to Category:Media in Gibraltar
 * Category:Greek media to Category:Media in Greece
 * Category:Greenlandic media to Category:Media in Greenland
 * Category:Guatemalan media to Category:Media in Guatemala
 * Category:Guernsey media to Category:Media in Guernsey
 * Category:Guinean media to Category:Media in Guinea
 * Category:Guyanese media to Category:Media in Guyana
 * Category:Haitian media to Category:Media in Haiti
 * Category:Honduran media to Category:Media in Honduras
 * Category:Hong Kong media to Category:Media in Hong Kong
 * Category:Hungarian media to Category:Media in Hungary
 * Category:Indian media to Category:Media in India
 * Category:Icelandic media to Category:Media in Iceland
 * Category:Indonesian media to Category:Media in Indonesia
 * Category:Iranian media to Category:Media in Iran
 * Category:Iraqi media to Category:Media in Iraq
 * Category:Irish media to Category:Media in Ireland
 * Category:Israeli media to Category:Media in Israel
 * Category:Italian media to Category:Media in Italy
 * Category:Ivorian media to Category:Media in Ivory Coast
 * Category:Jamaican media to Category:Media in Jamaica
 * Category:Japanese media to Category:Media in Japan
 * Category:Jersey media to Category:Media in Jersey
 * Category:Jordanian media to Category:Media in Jordan
 * Category:Kazakhstani media to Category:Media in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Kenyan media to Category:Media in Kenya
 * Category:I-Kiribati media to Category:Media in Kiribati
 * Category:Korean media to Category:Media in Korea
 * Category:North Korean media to Category:Media in North Korea
 * Category:South Korean media to Category:Media in South Korea
 * Category:Kosovar media to Category:Media in Kosovo
 * Category:Kuwaiti media to Category:Media in Kuwait
 * Category:Kyrgyzstani media to Category:Media in Kyrgyzstan
 * Category:Laotian media to Category:Media in Laos
 * Category:Latvian media to Category:Media in Latvia
 * Category:Lebanese media to Category:Media in Lebanon
 * Category:Lesotho media to Category:Media in Lesotho
 * Category:Liberian media to Category:Media in Liberia
 * Category:Libyan media to Category:Media in Libya
 * Category:Lithuanian media to Category:Media in Lithuania
 * Category:Luxembourgian media to Category:Media in Luxembourg
 * Category:Macedonian media to Category:Media in Macedonia
 * Category:Malawian media to Category:Media in Malawi
 * Category:Malaysian media to Category:Media in Malaysia
 * Category:Maldivian media to Category:Media in the Maldives‎
 * Category:Malian media to Category:Media in Mali
 * Category:Maltese media to Category:Media in Malta
 * Category:Mauritanian media to Category:Media in Mauritania
 * Category:Mauritian media to Category:Media in Mauritius
 * Category:Mexican media to Category:Media in Mexico
 * Category:Moldovan media to Category:Media in Moldova
 * Category:Monegasque media to Category:Media in Monaco
 * Category:Mongolian media to Category:Media in Mongolia
 * Category:Montenegrin media to Category:Media in Montenegro
 * Category:Montenegro media to Category:Media in Montenegro
 * Category:Moroccan media to Category:Media in Morocco
 * Category:Mozambican media to Category:Media in Mozambique
 * Category:Namibian media to Category:Media in Namibia
 * Category:Nauruan media to Category:Media in Nauru
 * Category:Nepalese media to Category:Media in Nepal
 * Category:New Zealand media to Category:Media in New Zealand
 * Category:Nicaraguan media to Category:Media in Nicaragua
 * Category:Nigerian media to Category:Media in Nigeria
 * Category:Nigerien media to Category:Media in Niger
 * Category:Norwegian media to Category:Media in Norway
 * Category:Omani media to Category:Media in Oman
 * Category:Pakistani media to Category:Media in Pakistan
 * Category:Palauan media to Category:Media in Palau
 * Category:Palestinian media to Category:Media in Palestine
 * Category:Panamanian media to Category:Media in Panama
 * Category:Papua New Guinean media to Category:Media in Papua New Guinea
 * Category:Paraguayan media to Category:Media in Paraguay
 * Category:Peruvian media to Category:Media in Peru
 * Category:Philippine media to Category:Media in the Philippines
 * Category:Polish media to Category:Media in Poland
 * Category:Portuguese media to Category:Media in Portugal
 * Category:Qatari media to Category:Media in Qatar
 * Category:Romanian media to Category:Media in Romania
 * Category:Russian media to Category:Media in Russia
 * Category:Rwandan media to Category:Media in Rwanda
 * Category:Sahrawi media to Category:Media in Western Sahara
 * Category:Saint Lucian media to Category:Media in Saint Lucia
 * Category:Salvadoran media to Category:Media in El Salvador
 * Category:Samoan media to Category:Media in Samoa
 * Category:São Tomé and Príncipe media to Category:Media in São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Category:Saudi Arabian media to Category:Media in Saudi Arabia
 * Category:Scottish media to Category:Media in Scotland
 * Category:Senegalese media to Category:Media in Senegal
 * Category:Serbian media to Category:Media in Serbia
 * Category:Seychellois media to Category:Media in Seychelles
 * Category:Sierra Leonean media to Category:Media in Sierra Leone
 * Category:Singaporean media to Category:Media in Singapore
 * Category:Slovak media to Category:Media in Slovakia
 * Category:Slovenian media to Category:Media in Slovenia
 * Category:Solomon Islands media to Category:Media in the Solomon Islands
 * Category:Somalian media to Category:Media in Somalia
 * Category:South African media to Category:Media in South Africa
 * Category:Soviet media to Category:Media in the Soviet Union
 * Category:Spanish media to Category:Media in Spain
 * Category:Sri Lankan media to Category:Media in Sri Lanka
 * Category:Sudanese media to Category:Media in Sudan
 * Category:South Sudanese media to Category:Media in South Sudan
 * Category:Surinamese media to Category:Media in Suriname
 * Category:Swazi media to Category:Media in Swaziland
 * Category:Swedish media to Category:Media in Sweden
 * Category:Swiss media to Category:Media in Switzerland
 * Category:Syrian media to Category:Media in Syria
 * Category:Taiwanese media to Category:Media in Taiwan
 * Category:Tajikistani media to Category:Media in Tajikistan
 * Category:Tanzanian media to Category:Media in Tanzania
 * Category:Thai media to Category:Media in Thailand
 * Category:Tibetan media to Category:Media in Tibet
 * Category:Togolese media to Category:Media in Togo
 * Category:Tokelauan media to Category:Media in Tokelau
 * Category:Tongan media to Category:Media in Tonga
 * Category:Trinidad and Tobago media to Category:Media in Trinidad and Tobago
 * Category:Tunisian media to Category:Media in Tunisia
 * Category:Turkish media to Category:Media in Turkey
 * Category:Turkmenistan media to Category:Media in Turkmenistan
 * Category:Tuvaluan media to Category:Media in Tuvalu
 * Category:Ugandan media to Category:Media in Uganda
 * Category:Ukrainian media to Category:Media in Ukraine
 * Category:Emirati media to Category:Media in the United Arab Emirates
 * Category:Uruguayan media to Category:Media in Uruguay
 * Category:Uzbekistani media to Category:Media in Uzbekistan
 * Category:Vanuatuan media to Category:Media in Vanuatua
 * Category:Vatican City media to Category:Media in Vatican City
 * Category:Venezuelan media to Category:Media in Venezuela
 * Category:Vietnamese media to Category:Media in Vietnam
 * Category:Welsh media to Category:Media in Wales
 * Category:Yemeni media to Category:Media in Yemen
 * Category:Yugoslav media to Category:Media in Yugoslavia
 * Category:Zambian media to Category:Media in Zambia
 * Category:Zimbabwean media to Category:Media in Zimbabwe


 * Nominator's rationale: The by-country sub-categories of Category:Media by country nearly all use the format "Fooish media". (There are 5 outliers: Category:Media in the European Union, Category:Media in Georgia (country), Category:Media in Iraqi Kurdistan, Category:Media in the Republic of Ireland, Category:Media of Macau)


 * At CFD January 28, the sub-cats of Category:Broadcasting by country were renamed from "Fooian broadcasting" to "Broadcasting in Foo".
 * The rationale for dropping the adjectival form in the broadcasting categories was explained so well by PanchoS that I will simply copy that explanation: Using nationality names tends to be inappropriate for the media of ethnic minorities, and is prone to confusion with eponymous languages, especially in an area working with language. For example: TRT Kurdî perfectly fits in Category:Television stations in Turkey, and it would fit in Category:Broadcasting in Turkey, but does it fit in Category:Turkish broadcasting? Less so. Or how about private, Catalan-language station RAC 1? This clearly is broadcasting in Spain, but is it Spanish broadcasting? Clearly in terms of being located in Spain and being under Spanish jurisdiction, but less so in terms of "Spanish culture" and certainly not in terms of Spanish language. Let's be more precise here and use the country names rather than nationalities.
 * There remains a choice between "in" or "of":
 * Option A would standardise all categories on "Media of Foo".
 * Option B would standardise all categories (except the UN) on "Media in Foo".
 * The head articles overwhelming use the format "Media of". That is also used for the national subcats of Category:Cinema by country‎, whereas Category:Television by country uses "Television in Foo".
 * I am inclined to follow the head articles and prefer Option A, but I can see a case for Option B. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Note Categories not yet tagged. I will tag them shortly. . -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * All categories now tagged. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Related discussion: CFD 2016 February 11#Radio by country. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Media by country: Survey and discussion
Per my arguments at CFD January 28 and to bring categories further in line with the article mainspace. While it may be argued that a consensus about using "in" vs. "of" is to be found in article namespace first, and while "Media of foo country" is technically correct, too, it IMHO connotates too much with state or public media. The choice of "Media in foo country" is also backed by Google books figures, see for example "Media in the United Kingdom" vs. "Media o'f the United Kingdom". Btw, thanks for quoting me ;-) --PanchoS (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC) My proposal above is that under Option A it would be renamed to Category:Media of the United Nations, while under Option B it would remain unchanged. Media in the United Nations is either nonsensical (the UN does not have territory) or useless (media in the combined territory of UN member states, i.e. almost the whole planet). It might be better to omit Category:United Nations media from this renaming entirely, because its scope is so radically different to the others. The other categories are for media in a defined geographical area, whereas Category:United Nations media is for the media of an organisation -- the UN categ probably doesn't belong in Category:Media by country. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support replacing demonyms by proper country names, preferably using Option B ("Media in foo country").
 * Question. If option B is chosen, what would be the result for ? Or is that one of the problems with B? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply @Good Ol’factory: Good question. I had meant to add a specific note about Category:United Nations media, but forgot :(
 * True. It clearly doesn't belong there, so shouldn' be included in this nomination. --PanchoS (talk) 01:49, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename to Something I find having Category:Spanish media for media in Spain while the less obvious Category:Spanish-language media for media in Spanish to be ill advised. I have no prepositional preference though. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support either this cannot remain as it is, it is much too ambiguous, there being multiple countries using the same demonyms, and multiple topics sharing it with countries, such as languages and ethnic groups -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 05:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Prefer B.  "of" is synonymous with "about".  Very fine detail though.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support either - there is also a real problem here with regard to the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo - both of which share the adjective "Congolese" but which are totally separate polities. The current situation (using "Democratic Republic of the Congo" as an adjective) is deeply unsatisfactory. The same goes for a number of other category trees.—Brigade Piron (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support "in". One of the biggest problems with the existing structure is that people frequently ignore or misunderstand the intended distinction — the number of times I've had to remove a Spanish-language media outlet in Argentina or Mexico or the United States from (which is meant for media outlets in Spain, not media outlets which publish or broadcast in the Spanish language in any country that isn't Spain), clearly attests to the ambiguity of the current names. Bearcat (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Option B - rename is necessary to avoid ambiguity. B is more "friendly" and closer to everyday terminology. Good initiative! --Mondiad (talk) 03:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support of "in", so option B - In my understanding, "media of Russia" has not only a hint of ""media about Russia", but a connotation of "media of the government of Russia" (like Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Radio Rossii or many other media), whereas "media in Russia" clearly is very media based in the territory of Russia, if state controlled or independent, if in Russian or Chechen, Yiddish or Esperanto or any other language. ThomasPusch (talk) 15:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename to in as a more inclusive and less potentially controversial name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * '''Prefer" B - in. Of suggests they are government owned, which may or may not be the case.  The use of a demonym may also refer to the language in some cases, rather than  the country.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by location of organization

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The proposed name is also more in line with Category:Insurgencies, thereby improving our taxonomy. "Latin America" is replaced by "South America" so it better corresponds to then–parent Category:Insurgencies in South America and grand-parent Category:Rebellions in South America. Side notes: Does this mean the actions of every insurgent group qualify as a full-scale insurgency? Not necessarily. While the group's terrorist attacks, guerrilla warfare etc. may fail at their objective, i.e. launching an insurgency, it still is an insurgent group by its objective. Are all organizations currently categorized here "insurgent groups"? The vast majority is, very few might need to be purged, and some may be added. --PanchoS (talk) 13:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC) Nomination slightly adjusted after creating Category:Insurgent groups; pinging first participant. PanchoS (talk) 18:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by location of organization to Category:Insurgent groups
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by continent to Category:Insurgent groups by continent
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Africa to Category:Insurgent groups in Africa
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Asia to Category:Insurgent groups in Asia
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Europe to Category:Insurgent groups in Europe
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Latin America to Category:Insurgent groups in South America
 * Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in North America to Category:Insurgent groups in North America
 * Nominator's rationale: While individual acts of terror are somewhat clearly defined, designating an organization altogether as a "terrorist" one is often relative to the point of view, other sides seeing it as "liberation" from oppression or even supporting it as a proxy army, sometimes considering it the lesser evil, sometimes even the lesser evil in light of humanity. While in many cases terrorist designations may be common sense in the Anglophone world, in others it isn't. Fortunately we have the category tree Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by designator‎ that allows us to be more precise in regard to who designates a group as "terrorist". In turn, this category tree should avoid the WP:POV designation, but rather categorize the groups by objective criteria. Organizations designated terrorist by one or the other country should of course remain (or become) categorized as such.

In this CfD we're however not discussing whether to avoid "terrorist organization" at all. All I'm asking for is not to use it unqualified by designator. Regarding possible "mis"categorizations, this is not about categorizing terrorist acts under Category:Terrorism, which may, if backed by WP:RS, even encompass one or the other group or individual, as it currently does. Rather this is a best-effort WP:NPOV approach to our category tree. While individual article decisions rely on a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, or categorization scheme should proliferate WP:NPOV rather than constituting WP:POV by itself. True that the scope is quite limited, but the outcome would already be a major improvement, while with going too far we would risk botching it all again, like in June. Hope I managed to convince you to support my proposal. Regards, --PanchoS (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong support. PanchoS is right: the NPOV quality being captured here is insurgency, and the new titles convey that much better.
 * Category:Terrorists and its subcats were deleted at CFD 2009 April 27 because of their blatantly POV nature, and subsequent debates have upheld that decision. However, since then we have had a proliferation of "designated as terrorist" categories.
 * This formulation "designated as terrorist by Foo" attributes the labelling per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, which makes it much better than the unattributed designation "terrorist". However, it still fails NPOV, because it gives the political judgements of certain governments a privileged place in the category system. There is no other topic area in en.wp where the category system is used in this way to convey to convey a partisan political view, and the information conveyed through the "designated as terrorist by Foo" should be handled in the nornmal way: by annotated lists, supported by explanation in the texts of the articles.
 * These categories do not even have the virtue of the "designated as terrorist by Foo" categories. Unlike those designated-by-Foo categs, these designated-in-area categs do not even attribute the POV which they convey.  Instead, their implicit inclusion criteria is "someone somewhere applied this label", which effectively a renaming of the old Category:Terrorist organizations -- which was deleted at CFD 2006 June 12. That equivalence was noted in 2015 by an editor who recreated as a category redirect to Category:Organizations designated as terrorist.
 * This nomination will not fully resolve the wider problem of using designation as a way to attach POV labels to organisations.  But it will remove the worst of it, by removing the unattributed categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The usefulness of Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by designator in avoiding POV by attributing the designation was largely undermined by this (IMHO totally botched) discussion back in June., I don't think using the "by designator" is POV because these designations are not just someone's point of view or opinion, they have clear and pratical ramifications. Governments don't make up these lists to express dislike - inclusion on the list makes the organization automatically subject to certain laws/restrictions/etc.
 * The current "designated organization by continent" without specific designator just an transparent way of returning to the previously deleted Category:Terrorist organizations. I'm fine with using insurgent groups, but we're still left with the problem that organizations and people are still frequently categorized under Category:Terrorism in Asia (or wherever) which undermines this effort to use NPOV (or at least, less POV) insurgency instead of terrorist. I'm also not sure categorizing many of these organizations is especially meaningful. Is this categorization by where the organization was founded, where its leadership lives, or where it operates? They don't usually have a publicly posted address for their headquarters, and many are quite international in their membership and sphere of action. - Themightyquill (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment as the categories' creator. I agree with you that this CfD in June 2015 was totally botched and quite unfortunate, and at the same time I agree that 's proposal, which goes beyond what we're currently discussing, need further considerations.
 * Yes, all of that is absolutely fair, and in case I wasn't clear, I do support the nomination in general. (I'm obviously just bitter about that previous CfD). To be honest, I don't remember creating these, but I imagine that I must have imagined them as metacategories, so I should have named them Category:Organizations designated as terrorist by designator in Africa or something equivalent, but that's kind of irrelevant now that the "by designator" tree has been destroyed.
 * With all that said, I would love to hear further suggestions on how to make the location qualification more precise. "Insurgent organizations active in X" or "Insurgent organizations based in X" ? If nothing else works, then I guess go ahead with the proposed names above, but I think the location aspect is rather vague. Will these be sub-categories of Category:Organizations by subject and country or Category:Paramilitary organizations by country ? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that designation as "terrorist" does have practical consequences, often big consequences. But that's a separate issue from the POV nature of designation.  POV labels can have very serious consequences in many contexts, which is one of the reasons to avoid them in categories. Grave consequences arise from being called a "communist sympathiser" in McCarthyite America, an "apostate" in an islamist regime, or a "counter-revolutionary" in a communist state, or a scab in an industrial dispute; but all three are blatantly POV.
 * A useful parallel is the Southern Poverty Law Center's designation of various organisations as "hate groups". It is thoroughly researched, based on defined criteria, and with serious consequences for those designated ... but ultimately there is a POV in both defining and applying the criteria. So Category:Organizations designated as hate groups by the SPLC was deleted (rightly IMO) at CFD 2014 April 12. However, it still seems to me to be perverse and partisan to delete one attributed-POV category while keeping others.
 * In this case, we aren't discussing even attributed POVs. The categories nominated here clearly fail WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, since there is no attempt to attribute the labelling. The title "Organizations designated as terrorist" simply means that we have an unspecified source for applying the label "terrorist" ... but since the core policy WP:V imposes the same requirement on all categories, there is in effect no difference between Category:Terrorist organizations in Foo and Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Foo. As you note, this is effectively a re-creation of Category:Terrorist organizations: an unattributed POV label.
 * 's proposal here is much limited than I would like. But it does an important job, by proposing the removal of categories for which there is no plausible defence under the NPOV policy -- unlike the categs with named designator, which do at least try to meet WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, and as I said above, I'm not actually opposed to this nomination. I agree that we're off topic now, but for the record, I don't think being labelled a communist sympathiser, an apostate, or a counter-revolutionary or a hate group is equivalent. I don't think an organization being labelled a terrorist in the United States is the same as being formally listed as a terrorist by a department of the United States government. One has *potential* for consequences, but the other is virtually guaranteed. A closer comparison would be Category:FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives or any of the sub-categories in Category:Fugitives by country. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Not sure I understand why "organisation" is to change to "group", nor why it matters.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Insurgent seems to be the equivalent of rebel, but not all rebellions involve terrorising the populace. The incumbent government will often (as in Syria) seek to designate all its armed opponents as terrorists, even if they are conducting a conventional war.  I would suggest that the characteristics of terrorism are conducting random violent acts, which are liable to hurt civilians or operating otherwise than in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Question after the previous comment. If renamed, how is this category going to relate to the tree of Category:Rebel militia groups? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose I am far from certain that terrorism and insurgency are equivalent terms. But it strikes me as POV to label these organizations as mere "groups". Their wide membership and organizational structure suggests otherwise. Dimadick (talk) 07:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Video gaming operating systems

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video gaming operating systems


 * Nominator's rationale: Category contains no pages, and only a single subcategory. The subcategory can be added to the parent category, and this category can then be deleted. SJK (talk) 09:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge the subcategory. Not all game systems are consoles, but vice versa is true.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Do any non-console game systems have distinctive operating systems as such? If they do I don't believe we have any articles on them. I'm not aware there exist any "video gaming operating systems" other than "game console operating systems" - certainly not any notable enough for WP articles. (Of course you can play video games under general purpose operating systems such as Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, iOS, Android, etc - but that doesn't make those operating systems "video game operating systems", since they aren't in any way specifically designed for playing video games, even if in some cases they have APIs designed specifically for use by video game developers.) Given all of this, I think my original proposal is superior to your suggested alternative. SJK (talk) 10:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge nominated category to its both parents per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Communist Party of Poland (Mijal) politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting communist party of poland (mijal) politicians


 * Nominator's rationale: sort of eponymous category, category only contains the one politician who gave name to the category. No need to upmerge, article is already in all relevant categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Whatever the intent here, it's not aiding navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This one article category is not helpful to navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Deputy directors of the Information Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge per amended nomination. Note, however, that the parent is Category:Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, so we have created a naming inconsistency here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * * Propose deleting deputy directors of the information department of the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china


 * Nominator's rationale: This category has no parent categories and contains just one page (which is in plenty of other categories) (and has a very long name). DexDor(talk) 06:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Information Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China to Category:China Foreign Ministry officials
 * Propose merging Category:Deputy directors of the Information Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China to Category:China Foreign Ministry officials
 * Propose merging Category:Directors of the Information Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China to Category:China Foreign Ministry officials
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessarily detailed categorization / long category names. DexDor(talk) 16:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support – there is no evidence this position is particularly notable; "deputy director" positions in government departments generally aren't, even if sometimes their occupants might be. (I don't know enough about the subject matter to judge whether the sole page currently in the category is notable in its own right or not.) In any event, the category is premature while we only have one article in it; if we ever end up with multiple biographies of people who have held this position, that would be evidence that the position is notable in its own right, and hence would justify recreating the category in that circumstance. SJK (talk) 09:23, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete We do not need to categoize people by every minor office held.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If kept we should rename the end to just China because there was a decision to replace all uses of People's Republic of China with China.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge It and parent and sibling to Category:China Foreign Ministry information officials. (1) The name is much too long.  (2) The parent is an orphan (3) I see no point in splitting officials according to rank.  (4) we have decided that China means PRC and the Nationalist republic is "Taiwan".  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support alternative by Peterkingiron, we can even simply have Category:China Foreign Ministry officials. I've solved issue nr (2) meanwhile which means that the alternative proposal now translates as an upmerge of both siblings to the parent and a rename of the parent category. I've tagged the parent and sibling categories for these purposes. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Nominator has changed the nomination accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment has been very energetic in creating new categories in an underserved area of Wikipedia. However, (s)he tends to overcategorise and also tends to leave them as orphans, as you can see by sorting Database reports/Uncategorized categories by last user (although most of them show up under EmausBot as Zee money leaves interwiki links that get migrated to Wikidata). It's not an area I know much about, so I've made a start on categorising them without taking too much of an editorial view, but others may want to take a look, also at Zee money's contributions in category space Le Deluge (talk) 12:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians on editor review

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:07, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians on editor review


 * Propose deleting wikipedians on editor review/backlog


 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are for "users currently in editor review", but Editor review died in 2014. DexDor(talk) 06:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. Since "editor review" is now dead, categories which were only useful in managing it while it existed should now be deleted. SJK (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Administrative categories need to serve an administrative function.RevelationDirect (talk) 10:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Liberal Wikipedians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting liberal wikipedians


 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to Category:Conservative_Wikipedians. Divisive POV-advocacy user categorizations. See, among others, WP:SOAP, WP:NOT, and especially WP:ENC; this promotes no encyclopedic purpose. J♯m (talk &#124; contribs) 05:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:G4 as re-creation of material deleted at a deletion discussion: Categories for discussion/User/Archive/August 2007. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:37, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per nom and . --PanchoS (talk) 13:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not useful for building the encyclopedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * DElete -- Too vague, thus requiring POV, which is not acceptable for a category. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:MediaCorp

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:MediaCorp to Category:Mediacorp
 * Nominator's rationale: To match the article, which was recently moved without controversy to Mediacorp. This was proposed twice at WP:CFDS but both times was objected to because the article had been moved without a formal discussion. I restate my opinion that forcing this to a full CFD is pretty much a waste of time since no one has been able to come up with any substantive reason that the nomination should or could be opposed. This is a textbook case of the type that WP:BURO is meant to address: enforcing process and adherence to "rules" over taking immediate steps through more rapid processes when the underlying action is essentially inevitable and of the "no-brainer" type. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:15, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

There may be a case for widening C2D, but until a change is agreed, this doesn't fit. A single categ is easy to list at a full CFD, using Twinkle, so it's not a huge burden. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:MediaCorp to Category:Mediacorp – C2D per Mediacorp. Was previously opposed here b/c the article was moved without discussion, but it appears to me to have been a non-controversial move with no objections Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy Sorry, but C2D explicitly requires a discussion. An unopposed technical request is not a discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Unless someone can articulate a substantive (ie, nonprocedural) reason that the rename should be opposed, to insist on a full discussion pretty much flies in the face of WP:BURO. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:10, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like to agree Good Ol’factory, but WP:BURO has its limits, esp when it comes to consensus-forming processes. For example, there have been some recent big rows over the early closure of AFDs, and previous bustups over speedy actions which stretched or broke the criteria.
 * If there's no substantive case to be made for why it should not be renamed, then moving it to a full discussion is a waste of time, whether that waste is small or large. This always happens on this page with users who seem to enjoy enforcing process over substance. And every time these types of discussions get moved, they end up being processed as nominated. I don't know of a single exception, and I doubt that this will be one either. (The waste or time comes not with the effort required to nominate it for a full discussion, but the loss of the advantage of the speedy process—the category will thus remain at a name that is different than its main article for at least a week, and possibly much longer, given the amount of time it takes for many CFD discussions to be closed.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

As to timewasting, this move could be done now if GO had taken it to full CFD instead of a speedy. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:50, 10 February 2016 (UTC) @Good Ol’factory: ok, I was 17 hours out; if the speedy had been as a full nom, it could have been processed this evening rather than when I posted. As to the rule, it exists to provide limited and clearly-defined exceptions to the principle of consensus for a full listing. If you want a discretionary criterion for CFD/S, why not propose adding one? Something along the lines of WP:G6 "C2F: housekeeping and other uncontroversial moves". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. There may be a case for widening the scope of the speedy process.  But if that process can be used for things which clearly don't fit the criteria, what's the point of those criteria?  If there was a speedy process to be used at admin discretion, this might have been processed. But there isn't, and GO has been around CFD for long enough to now where the boundaries are.
 * Obviously, the criteria exist to catch and weed out cases where it's likely that there is some sort of substantive argument that the rename would be inappropriate or not preferred. That's simply not the case here—you're enforcing a rule for the sake of the rule, and not for the reason the rule exists. The criteria are limited to the circumstances that are most likely to be uncontroversial. But that doesn't mean that other cases are not similarly uncontroversial and shouldn't just be processed in order to avoid the bureaucratisation that you're demonstrating. You didn't have to give your personal OK to it, all you had to do was remain quiet. "this move could be done now if GO had taken it to full CFD instead of a speedy": now that is a good one: putting aside the fact that it could not have been processed yet, since it was nominated less than a week ago—have you looked at the backlog on CFD lately? Discussions are lucky if they are closed within two or three weeks, let alone the mandated seven day minimum. As of today, there's still an open discussion from November 2015. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:01, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you disagree with the actual rename proposed here? RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * @RevelationDirect: I have no opinion either way. I haven't evaluated it, and the point of a full discussion is that it draws more eyes to the proposal.
 * I believe that a degree of discretion is already built in to the speedy criteria. They are not water-tight rules, and I don't think they were designed to be so. I just find enforcing a rule for the sake of the rule and not the underlying reasons for the rule to be unnecessary pedantry and is precisely the kind of thing that WP:BURO addresses. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename as uncontroversial, but: While we don't want to be overly bureaucratic, our policies are there to be obeyed, at least in general, unless they obviusly don't make any sense in a particular situation. While I agree this one seems uncontroversial, I can recall so many other cases where it isn't, and I can imagine so many editors prone to abuse WP:CFD/S for in fact controversial moves or deletions, that it proved a really good thing that we have binding CFD/S criteria. While it's true that some full WP:CFDs tend to take very long, uncontroversial ones are usually closed within a week, or even less if WP:SNOWBALL is invoked. Also, I'm not against finding a more speedy process for probably uncontroversial, urgent decisions, for example related to WP:ITN topics or such. But I can't see this particular decision to be urgent – does it really matter here if the case is closed immediately or if it takes a week? I think not. Cheers to both of you, PanchoS (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * One of my concerns is what happened to this particular nomination the first time it was placed at WP:CFDS. A user opposed the nomination and placed it in the "opposed" section. It then sat there for more than seven days, after which the user [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy&diff=prev&oldid=703164227 removed it] completely from all CFD processes and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AMediaCorp&type=revision&diff=703164296&oldid=700339936 removed the CFD tag] from the category because it was a "stale nomination". Had I not noticed and revived the nomination, the category would probably not have been nominated for a full CFD, let alone renamed, and the category would have been named differently than the article for who knows how long. I don't mean to pick on this particular editor, but this sort of thing does happen quite frequently at CFDS—users patrol the page and oppose ones that don't fit their interpretations of the criteria without bothering to ask whether the nomination is a good idea or not. It would be different if users who opposed speedy nominations bothered to move the nomination to a full discussion, but they rarely do. How this sort of pattern of behavior benefits Wikipedia—you tell me. (Even above, User:BrownHairedGirl acknowledges that on the substance of this particular nomination: "I have no opinion either way. I haven't evaluated it". If this isn't placing process above substance, what is?) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't expect someone opposing a CFD/S on procedural basis to have an evaluation beforehand. CFD/S is quite a problematic procedure, as there's noone systematically checking these nominations for compliance with CFD/S criteria, unless some casual gatekepper thankfully pulls the brake before further harm is done. It's also perfectly okay not to bother and move the nomination to a full discussion. In fact, it's often preferable if the original nominator has the opportunity to put the full nomination forward with a good rationale, or to postpone it, or to abandon it altogether. All we could ask for is that the original nom be notified or pinged. I'm actually in favor of a ping requirement. --PanchoS (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * A ping would be more than typically occurs, I would say. I'm not suggesting moving opposed nominations to a full discussion is anyone's responsibility (it certainly isn't), but I am pointing out that there's more potential for harm in the way CFDS is being patrolled than I think is being acknowledged by you or BHG. (It's not just a matter of increased delays in renaming a category, as here--categories that do need to be renamed are being blocked without any follow-up.) I would also suggest that right now, there are plenty of editors checking for compliance at CFDS. More nominations are stopped than need to be. If anything, we are currently erring on the side of too much enforcement, as this case nicely demonstrates. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * @Good Ol’factory I think that PanchoS mistakes the nature of the patrolling which does take place at CFD/S. There are some editors who evidently patrol the nominations with some degree of regularity routinely (inc you and Armbrust), tho probably nowhere near as many as would be ideal.  But as with any speedy process, every speedy proposal has to be evaluated by the admin processing it -- that admin takes personal responsibility for checking that their admin actions fall within the agreed criteria.
 * In my case, I was processing a big CFDS backlog last night. As usual, I check every category against the cited speedy criteria before processing it.  I apply a triage principle to my assessments: 1/ categs which clearly meet the speedy criteria; 2/ those which clearly fail it; 3/ those where I am uncertain. The clear procedural fails get an oppose from me without any further evaluation; the doubtfuls may get a comment or question; and those which look procedurally ok get a further quick "is this a good idea" check. If I think the proposal looks procedurally sound but substantively less than sound, I will either not process it, or add a comment/question. I presume that other admins do something similar.
 * Sure, there are wider failings with CFDS. There should be perma-logging of all CFD/S nominations, whatever their fate; the record should not just disappear into the page history. A lack of eyes is common to many en.wp processes as editor activity continues to fall, and it threatens the viability of many of them (including full CfD, where participation has plummeted since 2006/7). Followup to opposed noms would be nice, but if the bodies aren't there, who will do it?
 * As above, I can see a case for a G6-style "uncontroversial housekeeping" addition to the speedy criteria ... but such proposals would need a lot more scrutiny than the technical ones, and I wonder about the wisdom of creating such a path when the eyes are not there. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think any further criteria at CFDS are really necessary. I do think that the current criteria can be flexible enough. It just comes down to whether editors are going to interpret them in a strict, water-tight fashion, or with a degree of flexibility. If they are going to start to be interpreted strictly in a consistent way, there are dozens of speedy renames that go through every week that could not. (If anyone's interested, I could explain the type of renames I'm thinking of here. I'm aware that the discussion is getting sidetracked a bit, so I don't want to expound on something that is beside the point to everyone.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

In this case there was no claim of either longstanding stability or an explicit consensus. If we were looking a page which had been stable at the new title for three or six months, then there would indeed be room for discretion about whether that time was "longstanding" ... but your speedy nom was a mere 17 days after the move. Throughout this discussion it has felt to me that I have been discussing it without someone who didn't read beyond the dash in that sentence :( If you want to propose some other basis for assessing whether a name is uncontroversial, then feel free to propose a change ... but until then, I will continue to read the sentence as a whole, not just the first part. I find it particularly odd that after the renaming was rejected once at speedy, you immediately brought it back to CFD/S, even tho the intro to CFD/S says of contested nominations that "If the nominator wants to continue the process, they need to submit the request as a regular CfD". -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC) However, the nominator chose instead to use the CFD to pursue a meta-discussion about procedural issues, which became quite wordy. That makes closure a more onerous task, which reduces the chances of a prompt closure. There is indeed a general backlog of CFD closures, but some of the short discussions on this page have already been closed. Sadly, the nominator chose a path which was near guaranteed to propel this one down the queue. In future, I hope that the nominator will take their meta-discussions about procedure to a proper venue such as WT:CFD, and reduce the burden on CFD closers. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment If I think a CFDS objection is silly, I drop it there so I don't clutter the CfD process. (I would have simply given up on this one, for instance.) My concern is similar though: that the current CfD process is strained. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:34, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support rename, while many sources listed in the article mention "MediaCorp" and I could not find a mention of a decapitalization in the name, I found that "Mediacorp" is used on their own website which looks like sufficient evidence. With these findings at hand, however, I can better understand why User:BrownHairedGirl is skeptic about this being processed speedily. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:38, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Marco. But my objection wasn't based on any analysis of the substantive merits of the proposed change.  It was solely because the nominator had been trying to use the speedy process for a change which clearly does not meet the speedy criteria.  If editors think that speedy criteria are too restrictive, the solution is to widen them ... but not to blame an admin for upholding the rules as they actually are. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand the background, but - even if coincidentally - I still regard it as a nice illustration that things should be double-checked in case of doubt, and that the speedy criteria were correctly and reasonably applied. Hypothetically we could also have drawn the opposite conclusion that the article name would need to be reverted. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As I've stated several times already, I do not think that the speedy criteria are too restrictive, and I would appreciate it if editors would not obliquely suggest that this is my view. My view rather is that some users' interpretation and application of the criteria is too restrictive. There is a significant difference. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Good Ol’factory, I really do not see that there is any interpretation involved in this case. WP:C2D is quite explicit: "This applies only if the related article's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or immediately following a page move discussion that had explicit consensus to rename." (emphasis added by me)
 * If you can't see the flexibility, you can't see it. That's fine. But that doesn't mean others can't. The difference, I think, is this—I tend to read and consider all WP policies, guidelines, and procedures together as a whole, not in isolation from one another. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As I understand this is really a big thing for you, can you try to explain once more why in this case the condition "either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or immediately following a page move discussion that had explicit consensus to rename" might be overturned? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be curious to know the answer to that too. I don't see what other polices or guidelines provide for such a large jump out of what C2D actually specifies. GO evidently reckons they have spotted something, so it would be nice to have it spelt out. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, but don't blame me if you feel like throwing out a "TL;DR". It all depends, of course, on how one interprets the words of the speedy criteria. Are they watertight, or are they more flexible than that? Is the text exhaustive, or are they simply providing examples? The phrase "either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or immediately following a page move discussion that had explicit consensus to rename" can plausibly be read to exhaustively list the only possible requirements for a proposed change to be unambiguous and uncontroversial. Or, it can plausibly be read to be an instance where examples are being provided of situations that would meet the general standard of "unambiguous and uncontroversial". When all the criteria are read as a whole, it is clear (to me) that none of the criteria purport to set out exhaustive standards. They provide general principles supplemented with examples. The sentence which follows the "either ..." statement—"If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply"—reinforces that the previous phrase provides what will probably be the most common examples of the standard being met—but they themselves are not the standard itself. This approach is confirmed to me because I played a role in crafting many of them. Never was it suggested in the designing that they were meant to be watertight, exhaustive, or the only ones which could render something "uncontroversial and unambiguous". They were meant to be general statements of principle with some well-chosen examples. (Even if the criteria are read in a strict, watertight fashion, we have the added problem of interpreting the phrase "longstanding stability". This is defined nowhere, and obviously it requires interpretations, and different users' interpretations will necessarily differ. The article in this case had stability at the current name. Was it "longstanding"? Maybe not under your interpretation—but it's also easy to construct an argument that it was. (I'm not going to do so here, because that is not the crux of my argument nor the one that I was relying on.)) The speedy criteria for renaming categories also cannot be read outside of other Wikipedia policies and guidelines, such as WP:BURO (which, by the way, is policy, not merely a guideline: "[Wikipedia] it is not governed by statute: it is not a quasi-judicial body, and rules are not the purpose of the community. Although some rules may be enforced, the written rules themselves do not set accepted practice. Rather, they document already existing community consensus regarding what should be accepted and what should be rejected. While Wikipedia's written policies and guidelines should be taken seriously, they can be misused. Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policy without consideration for the principles of policies. If the rules truly prevent you from improving the encyclopedia, ignore them." In this case, the overarching concern should not have been enforcement of a rule as it is interpreted by users. The overarching concern should have been: "is this proposed rename uncontroversial and will it result in an unambiguous name?" I saw little to no concern in addressing this question, and I think if it was asked, the answer would have unquestionably been "yes". If it's not, show me why it's not. What I did see was adherence to process—a user opposing and then removing this nomination from consideration completely because it didn't meet his interpretation of the criteria. Reflecting on WP:BURO, how would this have helped the encyclopedia, to have the article and the corresponding category named differently? The original nominator was not notified. The nomination was just thrown out of the process altogether as a type of sacrifice to the gods of "correct process". It was kind of a pathetic display, in my opinion, but I don't want to be too harsh on users, because I know everyone is doing what they do in good faith and with the view that they are doing what is right. That's why I haven't even brought it up with the user in question. In conclusion (and I promise I won't say any more about this discussion)—I agree that process can be important, and we generally want users to follow it, don't we? Well, this is a prime example of why users get a little bit fed up with process sometimes. I could have renamed the category on the sly, and I bet dollars to donuts (mmm) that no one would have noticed, and if they did, they wouldn't have cared. What do you think an observant user—with a limited amount of time and energy and stuffs to give—will opt for next time they face a similar situation? Go through the processes—(1) nominate it for speedy, (2) check if it opposed, (3) if it is opposed, nominate it for full, (4) participate in the discussion, explain to others why you tried to speedy it; (5) wait a few weeks to a few months for the discussion to be closed—or just get it done in 30 seconds? I know what I'll be doing but I can certainly understand it when users go the other way. Every day on my watchlist I run into two or three categories I'm watching that have been renamed by users without going through any process—they are uncontroversial renames, generally—ones that need to be done but should have gone through WP:CFDS. I used to say something every time, but I'm thinking that I'm not going to bother anymore. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. So now this discussion has been open for well over a month, with no additional comments having been made in the past month. This is not at all unusual for CFD—without promptings such as this one, it could easily stay open for another month. I think this suggests some degree of skepticism towards the argument that this could have been dealt with in seven days had I just nominated it for a full discussion in the first place. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If the nominator had simply made the substantive case for a change, the discussion would have been fairly short, and therefore simple to close.
 * Lol—you're breaking my heart here, User:BrownHairedGirl. This discussion hasn't really become any more difficult to close because it contains a "meta-discussion". No one has opposed the nomination. I know it's hard to admit that your actions too have delayed things quite substantially in getting this category renamed; that too, I guess we could emotionally attach a "sadly" to, if we wanted to. Anyway, the original thought was that this discussion could be closed in seven days—that was a bit of a pipe dream based on theory and not practice, regardless of how this discussion played out. There are a few discussions on this page that are still open—some appear to be pretty clear cut with unanimous or near-unanimous consensus, or a clear absence of consensus, and they lack any scintillating meta-discussions. If you didn't think that it was OK to have the meta-discussion in this forum, I'm suprised that you participated in said discussion and even invited me to further explain myself. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * GO, I have seen passive-aggressive nonsense before ... but it's not often as blatant as your attempt to blame me for your repeated refusal to move the procedural discussion to a more suitable venue, and take it out of the substantive discussion. Since you refuse to do that, I have continued to reply here. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh, it's just that I don't really care to move it to another venue. If you want to see such a discussion, go for it—but I won't be starting it. It's nothing to do with you personally. (Well, OK—it is kind of something to do with you personally, in an indirect way. I don't want to start a discussion on that subject, because I'm guessing that you will participate, and discussing things with you is ofttimes unpleasant, or at least not joy-filled. In short, I don't want to do it. But honestly, even if it was someone else, I still wouldn't be interested.) You can't say you haven't played a role in delaying this category from being renamed, though. Well, I take that one back too. You can, and probably will. (I didn't think my suggesting it was all that passive though—I pretty much just said it.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Open for nearly two months now. I've recently closed the other remaining of the discussions on this page. This is not an unusual time frame for full discussions at CFD, even for non-controversial stuff. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Hadron MSDS

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted by RHaworth per WP:G6. Mangoe (talk) 23:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hadron msds


 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think this category serves any useful purpose, as it seems altogether too specific. What articles would ever fall into this category? /wiae   /tlk  04:12, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - only contents is a single user page. The primary purpose of categories is to hold content such as articles, with a secondary purpose to hold meta-information useful to the process of writing an encyclopedia, such as policy or process pages. This category serves neither of those purposes. SJK (talk) 09:26, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please close -- The category seems already to have been deleted. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Shuttle Redwhitestar
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shuttle redwhitestar


 * Nominator's rationale: Test category. Bamyers99 (talk) 02:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - only contents is user page with same name as the category. SJK (talk) 09:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


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