Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 18



Category:Palestinian Martyrs

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete as empty. This is without prejudice to creation of a differently named category that serves the same purpose. If such a category is created, it could be nominated for discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:03, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting palestinian martyrs


 * Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical category with no inclusion criteria.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I was planning to say merge to Category:Victims of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict but surprisingly this category does not exist and I cannot find any similar. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete like previous similar categories (e.g. see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_October_8). DexDor(talk) 23:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename instead to Marcocapelle's suggestion of Category:Victims of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. I'm also staggered that it does not yet exist. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * comment WP does not seem to have any categories named Victims .... Is there some name that is less POV? Hmains (talk) 18:42, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Alternative: merge to Category:People of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The problem here is that the Christian and Muslim concepts of martyr are quite different. We have had this with Iranian martyrs of the war with Iraq.  I would prefer Category:Palestinian victims of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, meanwhile the category is empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not that big of a surprise. The category was nominated for deletion on the very day of its creation, and nobody has bothered to populate it. Dimadick (talk) 08:38, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment User:Hmains has made an error in searches. We do have a Category:Victims with 21 subcategories. However it focuses on victims of crime, accident, and persecutions rather than wars. Deaths in war are covered by the category Category:War casualties by war and its subcategories. However it is currently rather underpopulated. Dimadick (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete hopelessly POV and empty. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Concept automobiles

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename using "concept cars". It is undoubtedly the case that "concept car" is the WP:COMMONNAME of this broad category (see Ngram and search trends, for instance). A case was made that "concept car" is not correct when applied to trucks, vans, etc. In terms of policy, this is essentially a claim that "concept car" is, in fact, not the common name when applied to trucks, vans, etc. No data was provided to back this up, and it appears that even the examples of not-a-car concept vehicles provided in this discussion use "car" as the common name. For instance, compare this to this. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 20:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Concept automobiles to Category:Concept cars
 * Propose renaming Category:General Motors concept automobiles to Category:General Motors concept cars
 * Propose renaming Category:GM Korea concept automobiles to Category:GM Korea concept cars
 * Propose renaming Category:Jeep concept automobiles to Category:Jeep concept cars
 * Propose renaming Category:Mitsubishi Motors concepts to Category:Mitsubishi Motors concept cars
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The main article is Concept car and has been at that name for years, after a brief undiscussed move to concept vehicle. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: the remaining sub-cats mainly use "concept vehicles", and can be speedily renamed if this is approved. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Alternate Rename to use "vehicles". Not all of these are cars/automobiles: we have a truck, a van and a whatever in the nomination and the other categories in this tree have more exceptions, mostly pickup trucks. Alternatively, we could purge these articles, but I think it makes more sense to use "Concept vehicles" by company. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose not all of these are cars. (Jeep doesn't even make cars) -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 07:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support alternative. "Concept vehicle" is mentioned as an alternative name in the Concept car article, and it better covers the contents of this category. We may consider to have Concept car no longer as the main article of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. The "car" in "concept car" is used in the broad, generic sense, not in the specific sense that excludes trucks, vans, or jeeps. The proposal that we need to abandon use of the common name of the thing in the category names seems to me to be a bit overly pedantic. Categories are machetes, not scalpels. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:36, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Suppport as proposed. "Concept car" is the WP:COMMONNAME for these, and the article is indeed at Concept car. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note I tagged WikiProject Automobiles to see if we can't get some more editors to help us decided between the common name and the technical definition. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this boils down to another American English vs. British English conflict. In the US, "automobile" or "auto" can refer to a pickup truck, SUV, minivan, sedan, or coupe, while a "car" excludes trucks, SUVs, and vans.  In the UK, "car" can include SUVs, pickup/light trucks, and passenger vans/MPVs (I'm in the US, so please correct me if I'm mistaken).  In either region, "vehicle" includes passenger autos, commercial vehicles (cargo vans, trailers, tractors, construction vehicles, etc.), motorcycles, and even ships and aircraft in a wider scope.  So I don't think it should be renamed to "Concept vehicles".  --Vossanova o&lt; 15:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

RFC

 * If you want to have a closed discussion reviewed, an RFC is not the right procedure. Instead you should go to WP:DRV. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that another editor has removed the RFC template from here, quite right. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


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Basketball teams in Kosovo

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge articles only, then delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bashkimi Prizren to Category:Basketball teams in Kosovo

The following categories are also included in this nomination:
 * Category:KB Peja
 * Category:KB Prishtina
 * Category:KB Trepça
 * Category:KB Vëllaznimi
 * Category:KB Ylli
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Each of the team articles can simply be upmerged to Category:Basketball teams in Kosovo. The players subcategories are already appropriately categorized within Category:Basketball players in Kosovo by club. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 07:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Manual merge per nominator, merging the articles but not the sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge - the potential of growth within the categories is disputable, but we can always recreated the categories later if necessary.--Mondiad (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.