Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 19



Category:Wikipedians who have visited User:UBX/Userboxes/Userboxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete under author request. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who have visited user


 * Nominator's rationale: A bizarre and probably unnecessary category. DexDor(talk) 23:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Yup, Special:WhatLinksHere can be used as a replacement. We don't need this. (I was the creator, btw.) --stranger195 (talk • contribs • guestbook) 01:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


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English footballers by place (small categories)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, but upmerge contents to Category:Footballers from COUNTY and Category:People from ORIGINAL-PLACE-IN-CATEGORY-NAME to retain data. The first five will go to Category:Footballers from Hertfordshire; Ipswich will go to Category:Footballers from Suffolk; last two will go to Category:Footballers from West Sussex. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting footballers from dacorum (district)


 * footballers from hemel hempstead
 * footballers from north hertfordshire (district)
 * footballers from hitchin
 * footballers from watford
 * footballers from ipswich
 * footballers from mid sussex (district)
 * footballers from haywards heath
 * Nominator's rationale: At a a recent CfD, was kept with comments that it does/would fill a category. These categories are others in  that are all rather small and wouldn't appear to have much scope for expansion. Severo (talk) 22:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Football has a rich tradition in England and often the place their born has a say in where the footballer starts their career. Although some of the articles here are small, there is the potential from growth and new articles so I don't think WP:SMALLCAT applies. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 14:21, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge -- Players will almost inevitably start their careers in youth teams where they are brought up. Plain deletion loses us data.  My preference would be to merge these upwards to county categories, such as Category:Footballers from Buckinghamshire and possibly also Category:People from Dacorum (district), assuming that I have correctly remembered where Dacorum lies.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to counties makes sense; I'm not convinced to districts would be useful except where county categories are very large. Severo (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to 'footballers from county' and 'people from place' categories. Oculi (talk) 15:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to counties/districts. These towns aren't notable for a category, but keeping the data is a good idea. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If upmerged, it should be a dual upmerge, also to Category:People from Hemel Hempstead etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge not large enough to be justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Reminders of Skanderbeg

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. And further discussions regarding the Category:Monuments and memorials by person tree appear likely. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting reminders of skanderbeg


 * Nominator's rationale: Just a shared name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- possibly after listifying in a list article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - no need for relisting since all entries are present in the Skanderbeg (disambiguation) list. --Mondiad (talk) 04:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 *  Rename  to Category:Memorials of Skanderbeg, as this seems a valid subcat of Category:Monuments and memorials by person. Otherwise, listify in Skanderbeg. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:55, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, those are deliberate shared name categories, I didn't know they exist. As these categories are apparently accepted, I suppose the nominated category should also be kept and renamed to Category:Memorials of Skanderbeg. Or otherwise the entire tree of Category:Monuments and memorials by person should be nominated for deletion, but personally I wouldn't expect any consensus for that. In other words: withdraw nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving examples of precedents at Category talk:Monuments and memorials by person. I change my opinion to delete. I have added mention of the few missing ones into the biography page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete this is categorization by shared name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Former constitutional monarchies

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 * The result of the discussion was: convert to list within section of article, as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Former constitutional monarchies to list within existing section Constitutional_monarchy
 * Nominator's rationale: This sub-category was overlooked when the parent category for constitutional monarchies was nominated at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_13. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:21, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support -- Several of the items need purging as they seem effectively to be redirecting to the British queen, as monarch of certain Commonwealth countries. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:52, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Television shows set in Buenos Aires

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) sst✈  03:47, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television shows set in buenos aires


 * Nominator's rationale: All the pages in the category are television programs produced in Buenos Aires, so their plot is set in Buenos Aires basically by default. So, it is a trivial categorization in all cases. The category would not be trivial for some hypothetical show set in Buenos Aires and produced somewhere else, but none of the articles is like that and I'm not aware of any show that may fit that description. Cambalachero (talk) 13:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Where a show is produced has little relevance to a category by setting. This in not trivia and the category is well-populated. Dimadick (talk) 14:40, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose where a show is set is germane to its categorization and not trivial. Where shows just happen to be in an unnamed big city, then there aren't set in Buenos Aires even if produced there. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


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Sportspeople from Canadian small cities and small towns

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge categories with under 10 members, manually checking that they are in a sportspeople by province category. In practice, it was easy in most cases to add more members from the parent category, so only Fort Saskatchewan needed merging. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Abbotsford, British Columbia (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Abbotsford, British Columbia (to 50 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Aurora, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Aurora, Ontario (to 25 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Belleville, Ontario (from 32 articles) to Category:People from Belleville, Ontario (to 78 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Brockville (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Brockville (to 82 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Burlington, Ontario (from 26 articles) to Category:People from Burlington, Ontario (to 98 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Cambridge, Ontario (from 32 articles) to Category:People from Cambridge, Ontario (to 88 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from the Cape Breton Regional Municipality (from 22 articles) to Category:People from the Cape Breton Regional Municipality (to 46 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Castlegar, British Columbia (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Castlegar, British Columbia (to 16 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Chatham-Kent (from 31 articles) to Category:People from Chatham-Kent (to 122 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Clarington (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Clarington (to 52 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Collingwood, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Collingwood, Ontario (to 32 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Cornwall, Ontario (from 33 articles) to Category:People from Cornwall, Ontario (to 70 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from the County of Brant (from 8 articles) to Category:People from the County of Brant (to 31 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Cranbrook, British Columbia (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Cranbrook, British Columbia (to 42 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Dauphin, Manitoba (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Dauphin, Manitoba (to 36 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Drummondville (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Drummondville (to 52 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Flin Flon (from 20 articles) to Category:People from Flin Flon (to 30 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Fort Erie, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Fort Erie, Ontario (to 30 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Fort Frances (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Fort Frances (to 20 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Fort Saskatchewan (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Fort Saskatchewan (to 14 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Haldimand County (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Haldimand County (to 20 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Humboldt, Saskatchewan (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Humboldt, Saskatchewan (to 30 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Kamloops (from 38 articles) to Category:People from Kamloops (to 78 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Kawartha Lakes (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Kawartha Lakes (to 60 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Kenora (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Kenora (to 42 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Kindersley (from 7 articles) to Category:People from Kindersley (to 14 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from King, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from King, Ontario (to 29 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Kirkland Lake (from 30 articles) to Category:People from Kirkland Lake (to 62 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Lloydminster (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Lloydminster (to 32 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Longueuil (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Longueuil (to 96 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Markham, Ontario (from 23 articles) to Category:People from Markham, Ontario (to 64 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan (to 16 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Medicine Hat (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Medicine Hat (to 66 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Melville, Saskatchewan (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Melville, Saskatchewan (to 18 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Milton, Ontario (from 20 articles) to Category:People from Milton, Ontario (to 36 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Newmarket, Ontario (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Newmarket, Ontario (to 76 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Norfolk County, Ontario (from 20 articles) to Category:People from Norfolk County, Ontario (to 86 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from North Battleford (from 7 articles) to Category:People from North Battleford (to 52 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from North Bay, Ontario (from 37 articles) to Category:People from North Bay, Ontario (to 104 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from North Vancouver (from 9 articles) to Category:People from North Vancouver (to 116 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Oakville, Ontario (from 32 articles) to Category:People from Oakville, Ontario (to 142 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Owen Sound (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Owen Sound (to 46 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Parry Sound, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Parry Sound, Ontario (to 18 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Pembroke, Ontario (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Pembroke, Ontario (to 58 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Penticton (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Penticton (to 44 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Portage la Prairie (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Portage la Prairie (to 36 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Prince Albert, Saskatchewan (from 26 articles) to Category:People from Prince Albert, Saskatchewan (to 76 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Prince George, British Columbia (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Prince George, British Columbia (to 64 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Richmond Hill, Ontario (from 40 articles) to Category:People from Richmond Hill, Ontario (to 70 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Rouyn-Noranda (from 32 articles) to Category:People from Rouyn-Noranda (to 70 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Saguenay, Quebec (from 35 articles) to Category:People from Saguenay, Quebec (to 122 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Saint-Hyacinthe, Quebec (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Saint-Hyacinthe, Quebec (to 56 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Salaberry-de-Valleyfield (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Salaberry-de-Valleyfield (to 44 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Selkirk, Manitoba (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Selkirk, Manitoba (to 32 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Shawinigan (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Shawinigan (to 50 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Sherwood Park (from 22 articles) to Category:People from Sherwood Park (to 40 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Sorel-Tracy (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Sorel-Tracy (to 40 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Steinbach, Manitoba (from 6 articles) to Category:People from Steinbach, Manitoba (to 30 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Stratford, Ontario (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Stratford, Ontario (to 76 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Temiskaming Shores (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Temiskaming Shores (to 26 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Thetford Mines (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Thetford Mines (to 30 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Tillsonburg (from 7 articles) to Category:People from Tillsonburg (to 24 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Trail, British Columbia (from 34 articles) to Category:People from Trail, British Columbia (to 50 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Vernon, British Columbia (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Vernon, British Columbia (to 46 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Waterloo, Ontario (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Waterloo, Ontario (to 66 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Welland (from 26 articles) to Category:People from Welland (to 62 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Weyburn (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Weyburn (to 34 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Whitby, Ontario (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Whitby, Ontario (to 56 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Whitehorse, Yukon (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Whitehorse, Yukon (to 76 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Yellowknife (from 8 articles) to Category:People from Yellowknife (to 60 articles)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Sportspeople from Yorkton (from 9 articles) to Category:People from Yorkton (to 50 articles)


 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge all. The following sportspeople categories will be upmerging. Because the sportspeople from small cities and small towns are considered too small. And the cities and towns are too small because of the smallest population, mostly towns. Here are the upmerging details. The sportspeople categories have how many articles currently, to the existing "people from categories" for a grand total of articles after upmerging. The maximum of articles on a single category page is 200. From now on the categories will be upmerged, and sometime in the near future someone or I can re-create these Sportspeople categories, but only if it's big enough. Steam5 (talk) 03:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I think some care needs to be done here. For example Category:Sportspeople from Vernon, British Columbia, should be upmerged to Category:Sportspeople from British Columbia as well.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:58, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, but make sure that those people are still included in some other subcategory of Category:Canadian sportspeople — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cambalachero (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not sure I understand what criterion these are being proposed on. Strictly speaking, WP:SMALLCAT aoplies to none of them, because that refers to categories with just one, two or three entries and not categories with 15, 20 or 30 — there are a couple here where the number of entries is low enough that they may as well be deleted anyway, but none where the number of entries mandates deletion under SMALLCAT. And while the geographic location is not a defining characteristic of the person per WP:OCLOCATION, that rule does permit geographic location to be used as a way to reduce the size of a very large parent category — so if any given province's "Sportspeople from Province" category is large enough to warrant subcatting, which they are, then the size of any given city's "People from individiual city within that province" category doesn't matter: because "Sportspeople from Province" is populated into the thousands, the city subcategories are allowed to exist regardless of how populated the "People from City" categories are or aren't. Accordingly, I would delete Aurora, County of Brant, Fort Saskatchewan, Kindersley, Meadow Lake, Steinbach and Tillsonburg, because they're all in the single digits — but keep the rest, as they're all populated well enough to be useful, and the "Sportspeople from Province" categories do need the diffusion pipe. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * My take on WP:SMALLCAT gets us up to 4 articles, but that still doesn't apply. Maybe it's better to group sportspeople at the provincial level but that's a different argument. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Dual Upmerge if Upmerged All of these should be upmerged to the sportspeople by province categories if these categories go away per Lugnuts. (I'm neutral on the whether to keep them though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per nom. 63.92.248.169 (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all those with at least 30 articles (or thereabouts, 2 or 3 articles in a category aren't useful but a category with more than 30 is, in my view), double upmerge for those with less than 30 articles without prejudice to recreate if they do get to a sizeable number of articles in future. Severo (talk) 12:34, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep many. I can imagine that for biography categories a higher WP:SMALLCAT cut-off than for topic categories is useful (for topic categories the number of 5 is often mentioned), but even with biographies I wouldn't go any further than 10 or 15 or so, in order not to overpopulate the province categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep many -- I also do not know where the cut-off should be, whether 5, 10, or 15. I certainly would not go higher than that.  Full upmerge (to all parents) on the rest.  Should the target be a county for the smallest categories?  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hold on users, remember what my Nominator's rationale said. It says on my nominator's rationale "The maximum of articles on a single category page is 200". So all sportspeople categories might be upmerge all. Not talking about WP:SMALLCAT. Steam5 (talk) 19:20, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerging would make Category:Sportspeople from Ontario some 400 articles bigger. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Most articles does feature hockey players. Hockey player articles should kept Category:Ice hockey people from Ontario for e.g.. If it's a hockey player from Ontario article, it should kept as Category:Ice hockey people from Ontario, So Category:Sportspeople from Ontario is not needed, but if it's hockey player article. Steam5 (talk) 00:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, so you mean a double upmerge is highly undesirable because (nearly) all sportspeople are in a subcategory at provincial level already. That makes sense, I also noticed a soccer subcategory and some others. So that's an important point. Still, I would keep my hesitance towards too much merging, but then more because too much merging would hinder navigation at a local level. Not only would it become difficult to find sportspeople at local level but also, for examples, if you're looking for local politicians in a certain place, they are now easier to find because you can skip the sportspeople to begin with. After merging you would also need to check the sportspeople to find politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The thing you're missing is that these subcategories are not only parented by "People from City"; they're also parented by "Sportspeople from Province". And the "Sportspeople from Province" categories are large enough to require subcatting, regardless of the size of any individual "People from City" category. There's no rule that all of the parent categories have to be over 200 people before an intersecting subcategory can be created — if one of the parents is large enough to require subcat diffusion, then that's enough in and of itself and any city which has enough sportspeople from it to escape WP:SMALLCAT is allowed to have one of these regardless of how big its own "People from City" category is or isn't. Bearcat (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Partial support for some - only those where the proposed category is under 10 articles (based on the numbers in the nomination, this isn't the case for most; the numbers may change before the discussion is closed); and also upmerge them to the province category (unless they are also in some other subcat, such as the subcat for some specific sport in the province). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Based on User:Steam5's earlier comments I checked a number of articles and in fact by far the most of them are already in a subcat of a province. So it should be either a manual dual merge or an automated single merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all. Clear overcategorisation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per Necrothesp. 108.180.112.8 (talk) 09:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep most. Not sure where to draw the line, but some of these cities are large enough to warrant sub categories. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, the users have spoken. The users are in favor to upmerge all, the discussion is expecting to close in 24 hours or Saturday. Steam5 (talk) 00:58, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are two wrong conclusions. 1) There is clear consensus about upmerge some but no agreement on any more than that. Note that it is up to the closing admin of the discussion to determine whether or not to upmerge some or all, not only by judging the discussion but also by keeping the guidelines into account. Note that in this discussion I haven't seen any references to guidelines that would support the merge other than WP:SMALLCAT. 2) The discussion is expected to close on Saturday at earliest but I would be quite surprised if the discussion would really be closed so soon, especially while there is no general agreement. It can also take two more months. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep most Some of these categories are big enough that the subcategory is warranted. Not sure where to draw the line (20 pages? 30 pages?), but we definitely shouldn't be upmerging all of them. Canuck 89 (have words with me) 07:50, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I have removed one category off the board. The category will be keep is Category:Sportspeople from Burnaby. I, repeat, Category:Sportspeople from Burnaby is removed and will be kept. Steam5 (talk) 00:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have removed the second category off the board. The second category will be keep is Category:Sportspeople from Red Deer, Alberta. Steam5 (talk) 01:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, I almost forgot, will all of the remaining proposed categories be an Upmerge all after I remove and keep the Burnaby and Red Deer sportspeople categories? Steam5 (talk) 21:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Why so? The Moose Jaw category has still no less than 40 entries and there are many left with numbers in the 30s and 20s. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Tell you what, if anything over 40 articles on any of the sportspeople categories. I will remove one off the board and will be keep. So, thanks for the reply. Steam5 (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 40 articles is not the minimum baseline for a category like this — anything with even 10 articles in it is large enough to keep. Bearcat (talk) 03:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not you, Bearcat, I am talking to User:Marcocapelle. Steam5 (talk) 03:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * What is your question again (insofar not answered by Bearcat already)? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Anybody is allowed to reply to any comment in the discussion — you don't get to play the "I was talking to so-and-so, not you, so you're not allowed to say anything at all" game. Bearcat (talk) 08:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all per nominator. 174.6.102.144 (talk) 07:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The third category that is going removed and is going to keep, first it's Burnaby, the second one is Red Deer, Alberta, the third category is off the board and will be keep is Category:Sportspeople from Moose Jaw. Steam5 (talk) 01:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all none of these categories are large enough to justify splitting by occupation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:15, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per JohnPackLambert. 64.114.128.69 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all. This entire nomination is nothing but a POV-fest. I'm not willing to support the destruction of a fully fleshed, standardized category tree because someone waltzed in with a personal definition of "too small".   Also, procedural keep all due to the number of people making it clear that there are far too many categories nominated and that some should be kept.  Arbitrarily removing the odd category doesn't 'fix' this problem, imnsho. Resolute 00:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's too late user, The majority of users are in favour of upmerge all. And I hate to say this but you're comments are very late by the last moment and this discussion will be closed very soon. Steam5 (talk) 00:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My, aren't you the presumptuous one. Incidentally, are you the same person who has been periodically emptying some of these categories out of process using IPs, or is that just coincidence? Resolute 01:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I was temporary inactive from Wikipedia a few months ago for a long break. Steam5 (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * M'kay. I found this discussion because an IP tried emptying a category with over two dozen entries this very day, and which is still included in your CFD here. Which is a major reason why the number of "keep some" comments should invalidate this entire discussion.  Someone is running around trying to make your desired goal a fait accompli, and it's hard to tell how many articles these categories do or did contain before all this nonsense started. Resolute 01:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I find it curious that you started this CFD exactly one week after I reverted *hundreds* of articles that were arbitrarily removed from these sportspeople categories by an anon using multiple IPs. I think I might be a fool if I thought that mere coincidence given there are four "per nom" supports by IPs in this discussion also. Resolute 01:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


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